BF2S Forums TEAMKILLERS FOR VEHICLES: How I think EA should fix it!

An addendum to your idea...

While I have no argument for permanently flagging an excessive teamkiller, I do think that there should be some kind of exception for accidental TK's because they CAN happen more than once per game.

How about something that tracks the number of times you've been flagged.  A three strike rule kinda thing.

First flag:  Be killed once w/o penalty
Second flag:  Flagged for two minutes or something.
Third flag: Perma-flag

Another thing to consider may be turning off that players ability to team-switch OR make the perma-flag stick regardless of team.  In addition, once they've got the perma-flag they become likely to keep shooting at friendly's.  A i'm-already-flagged-so-who-cares thing.

Not for nothing, but it would also do a better job of punishing those that are too sloppy with their nades, GL's, C4, etc.

reflekt damage, like in cod, its a bitch but you learn

i personally like the CS:S cure for this problem. It would be great to be able to light a tk'er on fire

I think it would be possible to create some kind of zone around your base so if anyone tk´s inside this zone an gets punished he can´t spawn inside this zone for 5 minutes (except it´s the last base), or he just can´t respawn for 1 minute at all or something like this.

My view on this is very simple and could be easily change from a server point of view. Everytime you TK within a 15 minutes period, the next time you die, your respawn time is double... from 15sec, to 30 sec, to 1 minute... Intentional or not, of you are doing too many TKs, you need to take a break as you suck

The name tag should also be mark in RED, this way Admin would easily see who's TKing and decide kick them earlier if they want.

After a few TK you will learn to be more careful. This way you remove TKer from the game play. I would still keep existing punish/kick/ban.

I think this idea sucks.  If you have ever played CS and seen these plugins in actions you will know it ruins the gameplay - and still doesn't solve the problem of accidental team kills being punished by n00bs and spiteful people.

In my opinion, I think the best way of dealing with team kills is to have a rolling average of say 15 allowed teamhits (where a team mate shoots another team mate but doesn't kill them) in say 5 minutes.  And a maximum of say 3 team kills in a given 1 or 2 hour period before that person is kicked and banned from the server for a period of time.

This will still have problems like people who accidently blow up a helicopter, but it is fairer for everyone.  As it is fully automated, and people understand the rules beforehand, you don't have bad feeling generated on the server by the current (or the originally proposed) solution, because someone punished someone for accidently team killing.

Some of the other idea I like too

Last edited by EnemySpy (2005-10-24 05:08:49)

VERY SIMPLE FIX

i posted this on another forum a while back

After a tk u should be blocked from entering a vehicle for 20-30 secs
this give u time to think about what u have done while the person who was shot now has a chance to try again for vehicle

simple yet effective.... even if it was an accident u will learn very quickly to 'CHECK YOUR FIRE!"

THIS WOULD PRETTY MUCH ERADIACATE TKING FOR VEHICLES

now it there was something we could do about thos nade whores who dont know how to shoot any thing else so shoot a nade at their team mate having a knife fight............. so many idiots.... so little consequences

Punishing a TK'r should kill them and make them respawn, that will teach them.

around spawn main base u shoot a teammate and i say only shoot !! u wil die ur self.
but then only around main spawn.
this wil alow the player who got shot to walk on and the potential teamkiller is dead.
problem solved

why not get rid of TK?

I think I have a solution for the fairest way to deal with TK's, but unfortunately it would slow the gameplay between levels. Basically, at the end of each level the battle recorder displays clips of TK's for each team from the perspective of the Team Killer. The team that the Team Killer was on gets to then decide by viewing the recording wether or not the TK was intentional or accidental. It should be pretty obvious wether or not a TK was an accident, a result of stupidity, or intentional.

For example, if the recording of a TK shows an engineer walking down a road toward a doorway, and then all of a sudden displays a message that he TK's someone with an AT-mine even though that person is not on screen and on the other side of the map then it will be apparent that the TK was unintentional. If on the other hand the recording shows a player sneaking up on an ally with the knife equipped then stabs them in the back when they go prone, it will be very obvious that it was intentional.

After each 5-10 second TK recording the players on the TK'ers team would then get to vote wether the TK was accidental, a result of incompetence, or intentional. If the majority votes that the TK was accidental then the TKer isn't punished. If the TK was voted to be a result of incompetence then the TKer gets -1 team points. If the TK is voted to be an intentional TK then the TKer gets -2 team points and gets a death counted against him. Traitors normally get executed if convicted guilty so that's where I came up with the death point against the TKer. If the same player gets 3 intentional TK's voted against them then they are either kicked or banned from the server.

I think this would be the fairest way to deal with TK'ers but unfortunately it would take a lot of time to view all of the recordings after each round. Especially since there can often be a dozen TK's per team each round. That would add about 60-120 seconds of TK viewing after each round, which is the major drawback of this approach.

gearpig wrote:

Punishing a TK should kill them and make them respawn, that will teach them

The first problem with all the solutions is that the game is FULL OF SHITTY BUGS AND ERRORS...
When coming with a solution make sure you account for :

TK on purpose
TK by mistake
TK because the game messes up

But I like that you get killed if someone punishes... Its bad if you make a mistake or something but I can live with it - At least not many persons would TK for vehicles anymore