he's pretty damn pro @ trolling.JohnG@lt wrote:
Julian Assange is nothing more than a rl troll.
thats like rule #1 of any story, mek
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And you so conveniently ignored the rest of what I wrote.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats the dimwitted neo-con view - they're just stupid angry muslims who'd find an excuse to explode no matter what.
Maybe they're rightfully pissed that the US has been messing with them for a decades, planting and propping up corrupt puppets in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc etc? Then there's Israel...
That the US does do all this gives the mad-mullahs some easy points to score doesn't it?
How typical - conveniently ignore what was actually said, construct a fantastical strawman, then affix a dismissive, perjorative label to it like "dimwitted neo-con".
Here, let's try that again;
"Large lower class, full of angry young males, with little hope of bettering their station in life through honest work - if they don't have some clear focus for their hate, they will turn on their rulers.
While the super rich royalty soak up the vast majority of the region's petro-dollars, the rest of the population lives in perpetual socio-economic stagnation. They are pissed, they are abused, they are neglected, and they have little hope to change this. Middle eastern rulers are particularly curt in their response to peasant uprisings (ask the Kurds, ask the non-Persian Shia). So, keep them pissed at America, at The West, at The Infidel, at Israel, or at rival sects within Islam - and they won't notice that it's really the boot of their own rulers on their neck, keeping them face down in the sand."
THAT is the core of the problem in the middle east.
[sarcasm]
Absolutely horrible and oppressive that we pay fair market value for their oil, send billions of dollars to them, and try to help when one of the region's psychotic regimes gets totally genocidally out of control (Saddam & Kuwait, Saddam & the Kurds, Taliban & Afghani population)
And it's all our fault that their rulers take the lion's share of those dollars, leaving little to invest in a viable infrastructure for the general population.
[/sarcasm]
That, too misses the point completely.Dilbert_X wrote:
Which is not the same as encouraging other people to kill each other and sitting back to enjoy the show.
It is not about enjoying the suffering of another people, watching them kill each other off.
The point being, if the extremists must kill someone, they should do the civilized world a favor and kill each other off.
And once they're done killing each other off, the rest of us can go back to politics as usual.
China, Russia, the EU, the USA, and the rest of the world is pretty good about not using attacks on each others civilians to solve disagreements.
SOP for liberals lately11 Bravo wrote:
and you cry about foxnews
"The documents appear to be authentic, but their origin could not be confirmed independently."
conveniently ignore what was actually said, construct a fantastical strawman only obtusely related to the original argument, then affix a dismissive, perjorative label to it like "dimwitted neo-con", "Birther", dumb redneck, or such.
Box it up in a ridiculous package, label it, and whenever it gets brought up again, dismiss it out of hand with a snarky pat phrase.
No thought needed, no discussion needed.
Especially effective in dismissing anything reported on "Faux Neus.
"Oh, it's Faux Neus." (Can't be anything of merit there. It's all talking head pundits, ranting, and pretend stuff).
I believe what 11 Bunny was trying to say was ;Mekstizzle wrote:
I actually replied to that, but you could only reply back with pancake. Then you have the gall to repost it as if nobody replied. You fucking twat
"Mekbunny, lulz"
That looks like a waffle.
Well, Mek didn't seem to grok "pancake", so I had to rephrase it somewhat.Macbeth wrote:
That looks like a waffle.
What we don't realize while being "perfectly content to watch our TV, eat too much food, and sit on our asses" is that our ability to do these things is largely enabled by what is going on in these third world nations. The arms race has taken a back seat to what really drives the world and it's economy. Once again we have an energy race.rdx-fx wrote:
It is not the limitation of US politics here, it is the limitation of Middle Eastern politics.
We are perfectly content to watch our TV, eat too much food, and sit on our asses - they are the ones that are perpetually pissed off at something, marching in the streets with placards of "Death to <This space for rent>"
Large lower class, full of angry young males, with little hope of bettering their station in life through honest work - if they don't have some clear focus for their hate, they will turn on their rulers.
or at rival sects within Islam - and they won't notice that it's really the boot of their own rulers on their neck, keeping them face down in the sand.
Politicians and Governments are protected by a chain of command. Shit runs downhill.Dilbert_X wrote:
Wikileaks publication of these documents is a good thing, if it means our governments will think twice about lying to us in the future or govt agencies will think twice about doing things they wouldn't want found out.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Of course I knew what he was talking about you fool, I never said anywhere that I didn't. That doesn't make his post any more stupid or him any less of a twat
Energy is the dominant excuse, and part of the whole.Kmar wrote:
What we don't realize while being "perfectly content to watch our TV, eat too much food, and sit on our asses" is that our ability to do these things is largely enabled by what is going on in these third world nations. The arms race has taken a back seat to what really drives the world and it's economy. Once again we have an energy race.
The real issue is perception and control.
It's not so much who really has the resources, it's who is perceived to control, who is perceived to be wealthy. Look at the stock markets of the world - real value of a company has very little to do with the perceived value of that same company. It's all a confidence game, with a fictional excuse slapped over it.
North America has the coal, petroleum, nuclear, and geothermal energy capacity to be self-sufficient for the next 50-150 years, if we really had to. We're still on middle eastern oil, because we've already got the infrastructure there, and out of the inertia of habit (we're still there because we're still there...). And, if we got out of middle eastern oil (EU and US), that'd make the oil too cheap for our rivals (China, Russia, India, etc). Perception & Control.
China and Russia have the rare earth materials necessary for modern technology production, and a dominant share of the worlds easily accessible metals. If either one of them could develop the infrastructure and environment to grow their economy properly, they would dominate the world economy in short order. China is working this angle for all they're worth - Russia seems mired in a vodka indiced haze of perpetual corruption and an unrestrained mafia.
South Africa alone has an amazing cache of mineral wealth. Platinum/Palladium, Uranium, and a host of the rare earth metals. If they didn't have their head perpetually stuffed up their collective ass, they would be a dominant world player. Not a superpower, but a player that couldn't be ignored.
Energy is part of the equation, but not the main point.
What is done with that energy is the point. Infrastructure, production, a content and secure population of worker 'ants', and control over the confidence game that is the modern stock/commodities) market.
What these fuckhead Jihadis in the middle east don't quite get, is that they have about fuckall to do with the way the world works.
They can learn verses of hate in their madrassas, and dream of an Islamic paradise on Earth, but it's not going to happen.
You cannot blow things up fast enough to build a better world. Mutually exclusive - build or blow up, pick one.
Humility, lifetimes of work, dedication, innovation, invention, education, investment - those things build the world.
Easy to get a deluded teenager fired up on visions of virgins, and the promise that a quick angry explosion will somehow magically do something good for the world. Nearly impossible to convince that same middle eastern teen to dedicate his life to a productive career.
A humble career toiling away in obscurity, versus delusions of grandeur and martyrdom for an instant of explodey glory.
Yeah, teenagers aren't known for taking the long view on anything - especially angry, poor middle eastern teens fired up on religion, machismo, and sexual repression.
They can scream, they can hate, and they can continue to live in their hot, hateful little sand box.
The rest of the world may watch the spectacle on TV, for now.
Meanwhile, the US, EU, China, Russia, and the rest of the world will continue building new technology, building more infrastructure, discovering new science, and generally continue the marching progress of civilization. While the middle east continues to drown itself in ancient delusions of grandeur, mythological father figures, and excuses to hate "others".
Sad bit of it, really, is that Israel and 'Persia' are stuck straight in the middle of all that bullshit.
Bitter irony that those two are the best bets for civilization in the region, and the machinations of Saudi Arabia are making sure those two are nearly at each other's throats.
They can learn verses of hate in their madrassas, and dream of an Islamic paradise on Earth, but it's not going to happen.
You cannot blow things up fast enough to build a better world. Mutually exclusive - build or blow up, pick one.
Humility, lifetimes of work, dedication, innovation, invention, education, investment - those things build the world.
Easy to get a deluded teenager fired up on visions of virgins, and the promise that a quick angry explosion will somehow magically do something good for the world. Nearly impossible to convince that same middle eastern teen to dedicate his life to a productive career.
A humble career toiling away in obscurity, versus delusions of grandeur and martyrdom for an instant of explodey glory.
Yeah, teenagers aren't known for taking the long view on anything - especially angry, poor middle eastern teens fired up on religion, machismo, and sexual repression.
They can scream, they can hate, and they can continue to live in their hot, hateful little sand box.
The rest of the world may watch the spectacle on TV, for now.
Meanwhile, the US, EU, China, Russia, and the rest of the world will continue building new technology, building more infrastructure, discovering new science, and generally continue the marching progress of civilization. While the middle east continues to drown itself in ancient delusions of grandeur, mythological father figures, and excuses to hate "others".
Sad bit of it, really, is that Israel and 'Persia' are stuck straight in the middle of all that bullshit.
Bitter irony that those two are the best bets for civilization in the region, and the machinations of Saudi Arabia are making sure those two are nearly at each other's throats.
Is it that or is it that the US either put in place or protects militarily and financially those middle eastern rulers?rdx-fx wrote:
"Large lower class, full of angry young males, with little hope of bettering their station in life through honest work - if they don't have some clear focus for their hate, they will turn on their rulers.
While the super rich royalty soak up the vast majority of the region's petro-dollars, the rest of the population lives in perpetual socio-economic stagnation. They are pissed, they are abused, they are neglected, and they have little hope to change this. Middle eastern rulers are particularly curt in their response to peasant uprisings (ask the Kurds, ask the non-Persian Shia). So, keep them pissed at America, at The West, at The Infidel, at Israel, or at rival sects within Islam - and they won't notice that it's really the boot of their own rulers on their neck, keeping them face down in the sand."
THAT is the core of the problem in the middle east.
Give them democracy and to hell with the oil price.
Fair market value? Is that a joke? The west is paying these nations a pittance for the right to suck out their oil. Gulf War I was largely about the Kuwaitis selling oil at below Iraqi production cost at the behest of the US.[sarcasm]
Absolutely horrible and oppressive that we pay fair market value for their oil, send billions of dollars to them, and try to help when one of the region's psychotic regimes gets totally genocidally out of control (Saddam & Kuwait, Saddam & the Kurds, Taliban & Afghani population)
And it's all our fault that their rulers take the lion's share of those dollars, leaving little to invest in a viable infrastructure for the general population.
[/sarcasm]
They're extremists for a reason, its not a career they pick and then look for an issue to be extremist over.That, too misses the point completely.
It is not about enjoying the suffering of another people, watching them kill each other off.
The point being, if the extremists must kill someone, they should do the civilized world a favor and kill each other off.
And once they're done killing each other off, the rest of us can go back to politics as usual.
Correct they concoct proxy wars to kill the civilians of third party nations in so as to make petty points amongst themselves.China, Russia, the EU, the USA, and the rest of the world is pretty good about not using attacks on each others civilians to solve disagreements.
Fuck Israel
Is it an excuse or part of the equation? You've seemingly agreed with me. Energy is what drives every aspect of the global economy. It creates jobs, wealth, and economic security. Yes, there is an abundance of energy across the entire planet (and beyond). But, as you said, we need infrastructure and energy developers willing to harvest/change their primary source of energy. I don't believe the US population, or the west as a whole understands this. Mostly because they are "perfectly content to watch our TV, eat too much food, and sit on our asses". We will continue to tolerate poor energy policies until it ultimately chokes us out. Americans don't seem to mind gradualism. It usually takes a sudden and immediate threat to jolt us (speaking beyond just energy now). When there is one world power you don't take the big dog on directly. You poison or take his food ..aka energy.rdx-fx wrote:
Energy is the dominant excuse, and part of the whole.Kmar wrote:
What we don't realize while being "perfectly content to watch our TV, eat too much food, and sit on our asses" is that our ability to do these things is largely enabled by what is going on in these third world nations. The arms race has taken a back seat to what really drives the world and it's economy. Once again we have an energy race.
The real issue is perception and control.
It's not so much who really has the resources, it's who is perceived to control, who is perceived to be wealthy. Look at the stock markets of the world - real value of a company has very little to do with the perceived value of that same company. It's all a confidence game, with a fictional excuse slapped over it.
North America has the coal, petroleum, nuclear, and geothermal energy capacity to be self-sufficient for the next 50-150 years, if we really had to. We're still on middle eastern oil, because we've already got the infrastructure there, and out of the inertia of habit (we're still there because we're still there...). And, if we got out of middle eastern oil (EU and US), that'd make the oil too cheap for our rivals (China, Russia, India, etc). Perception & Control.
China and Russia have the rare earth materials necessary for modern technology production, and a dominant share of the worlds easily accessible metals. If either one of them could develop the infrastructure and environment to grow their economy properly, they would dominate the world economy in short order. China is working this angle for all they're worth - Russia seems mired in a vodka indiced haze of perpetual corruption and an unrestrained mafia.
South Africa alone has an amazing cache of mineral wealth. Platinum/Palladium, Uranium, and a host of the rare earth metals. If they didn't have their head perpetually stuffed up their collective ass, they would be a dominant world player. Not a superpower, but a player that couldn't be ignored.
Energy is part of the equation, but not the main point.
What is done with that energy is the point. Infrastructure, production, a content and secure population of worker 'ants', and control over the confidence game that is the modern stock/commodities) market.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
An excuse in that it is not the reason it is made out to be, but just a supporting part backing up the actual reasons.Kmar wrote:
Is it an excuse or part of the equation? You've seemingly agreed with me. Energy is what drives every aspect of the global economy. It creates jobs, wealth, and economic security. Yes, there is an abundance of energy across the entire planet (and beyond). But, as you said, we need infrastructure and energy developers willing to harvest/change their primary source of energy. I don't believe the US population, or the west as a whole understands this. Mostly because they are "perfectly content to watch our TV, eat too much food, and sit on our asses". We will continue to tolerate poor energy policies until it ultimately chokes us out. Americans don't seem to mind gradualism. It usually takes a sudden and immediate threat to jolt us (speaking beyond just energy now). When there is one world power you don't take the big dog on directly. You poison or take his food ..aka energy.
Energy is overused as a reason, beyond the actual meaning and significance - hence, it is more of a pat excuse than a proper reason.
I agree with both of your posts. Just extending them in another direction.
And our general population is far too similar to that frog in a stew pot.
Increase the heat gradually enough, and the frog will contentedly boil alive before realizing he should've jumped out of the pot ages ago.
We have had generations grow up inside the protective bubble of our Walmart & McDonalds existence. The capriciousness, the violence, the arbitrary nastiness of the rest of the world outside that bubble is just a channel on their cable lineup.
I fear the shock it would take to get people off their couches in a meaningful and lasting way, would be more than our current culture could handle.
OPEC ring a bell? They do a fairly good job of looking out for the interests of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.Dilbert_X wrote:
Fair market value? Is that a joke? The west is paying these nations a pittance for the right to suck out their oil. Gulf War I was largely about the Kuwaitis selling oil at below Iraqi production cost at the behest of the US.
And the 1st Gulf War was about Saddam deciding to annex Kuwait (and hence their oil production) into Iraq.
They do, but much less than they'd like since they've had the largest military in the world leaning on them to maximise production and keep the price low, in real terms the price of oil has collapsed over the last ~40 years.rdx-fx wrote:
OPEC ring a bell? They do a fairly good job of looking out for the interests of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.Dilbert_X wrote:
Fair market value? Is that a joke? The west is paying these nations a pittance for the right to suck out their oil. Gulf War I was largely about the Kuwaitis selling oil at below Iraqi production cost at the behest of the US.
And the 1st Gulf War was about Saddam deciding to annex Kuwait (and hence their oil production) into Iraq.
And the barrel price is not what the petrochemical companies actually pay to the countries.
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Fuck Israel
adjust for inflation oil actually went up.Dilbert_X wrote:
They do, but much less than they'd like since they've had the largest military in the world leaning on them to maximise production and keep the price low, in real terms the price of oil has collapsed over the last ~40 years.rdx-fx wrote:
OPEC ring a bell? They do a fairly good job of looking out for the interests of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.Dilbert_X wrote:
Fair market value? Is that a joke? The west is paying these nations a pittance for the right to suck out their oil. Gulf War I was largely about the Kuwaitis selling oil at below Iraqi production cost at the behest of the US.
And the 1st Gulf War was about Saddam deciding to annex Kuwait (and hence their oil production) into Iraq.
And the barrel price is not what the petrochemical companies actually pay to the countries.
I think Mek's point stands. If the documents weren't authentic, then there would be less attention paid to them by the government.11 Bravo wrote:
and you cry about foxnews
"The documents appear to be authentic, but their origin could not be confirmed independently."
he should wear a hat more often.Turquoise wrote:
I think Mek's point stands.
by stands he means erect
Tu Stultus Es
What comments are you talking about here?Dilbert_X wrote:
The smart move would be to stop them killing each other, rather than encourage them in the hope it distracts them from the US.
See FEOS' comments on STRATFOR theory, its US policy to try to get 'enemies' to fight each other rather than attempt to resolve the situation to everyone's benefit.
You've just got a case of the ass regarding STRATFOR because they refuse to blame the Israel/Palestine situation exclusively on Israel (and the US). I suppose if their analysis had done that, you'd be singing their praises, wouldn't you?
He moves around constantly, uses only cash, wears disguises, stays primarily in countries that have no extradition agreements, etc. He's trying VERY hard not to be tracked down.Dilbert_X wrote:
I don't suppose its too hard to track him down, its not as if he's in a cave in Pakistan, AFAIK he hasn't added names and addresses to the docs, just published verbatim.
That's the dimwitted, purposefully uniformed view of someone who chooses to know nothing (or very little) of political science theory.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats the dimwitted neo-con view - they're just stupid angry muslims who'd find an excuse to explode no matter what.
Maybe they're rightfully pissed that the US has been messing with them for a decades, planting and propping up corrupt puppets in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc etc? Then there's Israel...
That the US does do all this gives the mad-mullahs some easy points to score doesn't it?
Those "corrupt puppets" are "propped up" for a very specific reason: The economic reforms necessary for democracy and capitalism to take hold cannot happen if the country is unstable. The quickest route to the necessary stability (and thus democratic reforms) is benevolent dictatorship. If you put democratic government in place before there is an economic base to support it, it will fall apart and you will have a failed state or worse.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
feos has a very good point
almost every pre-colonized/non-independent state has had to go through some (brief) phase of right-wing, fascistic government to develop an economy. 'neo-colonialism' i think the academics call it, or just straight post-colonialism. kinda like where the country is still economically subservient to its original geopolitical business interests... and then develops a middle-class and an educated class based off their money and foreign investment. you need these things before you can properly set up a 'stable' democracy... growing pains, if you will. you can't just give the uneducated, impoverished proles full control after decades of foreign occupation or satellite-rule... by that point the uneducated ones will always have turned to forms of political and/or religious extremism, and there won't be enough brains in the country to handle it properly.
'benevolent dictatorship' seems like a necessary evil in the development of a new state; awkward adolescence for nations.
almost every pre-colonized/non-independent state has had to go through some (brief) phase of right-wing, fascistic government to develop an economy. 'neo-colonialism' i think the academics call it, or just straight post-colonialism. kinda like where the country is still economically subservient to its original geopolitical business interests... and then develops a middle-class and an educated class based off their money and foreign investment. you need these things before you can properly set up a 'stable' democracy... growing pains, if you will. you can't just give the uneducated, impoverished proles full control after decades of foreign occupation or satellite-rule... by that point the uneducated ones will always have turned to forms of political and/or religious extremism, and there won't be enough brains in the country to handle it properly.
'benevolent dictatorship' seems like a necessary evil in the development of a new state; awkward adolescence for nations.
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Examples are Taiwan, Korea, Singapore and a few other states i can't think of right now.Uzique wrote:
feos has a very good point
almost every pre-colonized/non-independent state has had to go through some (brief) phase of right-wing, fascistic government to develop an economy. 'neo-colonialism' i think the academics call it, or just straight post-colonialism. kinda like where the country is still economically subservient to its original geopolitical business interests... and then develops a middle-class and an educated class based off their money and foreign investment. you need these things before you can properly set up a 'stable' democracy... growing pains, if you will. you can't just give the uneducated, impoverished proles full control after decades of foreign occupation or satellite-rule... by that point the uneducated ones will always have turned to forms of political and/or religious extremism, and there won't be enough brains in the country to handle it properly.
'benevolent dictatorship' seems like a necessary evil in the development of a new state; awkward adolescence for nations.
The fly in the ointment is they never migrate to proper democracy.FEOS wrote:
Those "corrupt puppets" are "propped up" for a very specific reason: The economic reforms necessary for democracy and capitalism to take hold cannot happen if the country is unstable. The quickest route to the necessary stability (and thus democratic reforms) is benevolent dictatorship. If you put democratic government in place before there is an economic base to support it, it will fall apart and you will have a failed state or worse.
Decades on Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are not real democracies, the democracy imposed on Iraq seems to have been designed to fail and Afghanistan has no hope of ever being a democracy with the coalition just about ready to sign it back to the Taliban.
Seems to do a lot of press conferences for a fugitive.He moves around constantly, uses only cash, wears disguises, stays primarily in countries that have no extradition agreements, etc. He's trying VERY hard not to be tracked down.
The comments where STRATFOR say the US should find people to pit against one another.What comments are you talking about here?
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Fuck Israel
the entire continent of africa
Tu Stultus Es
zimbabwe is one going through it right now.Cybargs wrote:
Examples are Taiwan, Korea, Singapore and a few other states i can't think of right now.Uzique wrote:
feos has a very good point
almost every pre-colonized/non-independent state has had to go through some (brief) phase of right-wing, fascistic government to develop an economy. 'neo-colonialism' i think the academics call it, or just straight post-colonialism. kinda like where the country is still economically subservient to its original geopolitical business interests... and then develops a middle-class and an educated class based off their money and foreign investment. you need these things before you can properly set up a 'stable' democracy... growing pains, if you will. you can't just give the uneducated, impoverished proles full control after decades of foreign occupation or satellite-rule... by that point the uneducated ones will always have turned to forms of political and/or religious extremism, and there won't be enough brains in the country to handle it properly.
'benevolent dictatorship' seems like a necessary evil in the development of a new state; awkward adolescence for nations.
most of those former african states were so inseparably tied to their 'mother-states', economically and bureaucratically, that a full post-colonialist 'independence' was completely impossible. okay, you can give a people back their democratic rights and let them elect their government officials... that isn't going to stop the resource-dependency and import/expert markets that were there when the mother-state ran the show. how is a newly established country with zero finances, zero industry, and a zero-population educated workforce going to start trading on the international stage? what assets does it have? it's sad, but fascism is a necessary part of a nation's growth, imo.
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Pakistan's not a real democracy? Really? Those people who voted would disagree with you... Unfortunately, Pakistan hasn't reached the level of stability to allow for the proper economic and political environment. My guess is there will be another round of Musharaf-like dictatorship before they can reach the stability required. They have to clean house in the NW and Baluchistan first.Dilbert_X wrote:
The fly in the ointment is they never migrate to proper democracy.FEOS wrote:
Those "corrupt puppets" are "propped up" for a very specific reason: The economic reforms necessary for democracy and capitalism to take hold cannot happen if the country is unstable. The quickest route to the necessary stability (and thus democratic reforms) is benevolent dictatorship. If you put democratic government in place before there is an economic base to support it, it will fall apart and you will have a failed state or worse.
Decades on Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are not real democracies, the democracy imposed on Iraq seems to have been designed to fail and Afghanistan has no hope of ever being a democracy with the coalition just about ready to sign it back to the Taliban.
Jury's still out on Afghanistan and Iraq. It takes decades for democracy to take hold, not just a few years, Dil (see initial comment regarding level of understanding of political science theory).
Not hard for a fugitive to pop up for press conferences. He's not really a "fugitive", anyway. He only takes on that lifestyle because he's paranoid, thinking that Western (US) intelligence services are after him. I'm not convinced that's the case. He's not under charges from the US--we just think he's a tool.Dilbert_X wrote:
Seems to do a lot of press conferences for a fugitive.He moves around constantly, uses only cash, wears disguises, stays primarily in countries that have no extradition agreements, etc. He's trying VERY hard not to be tracked down.
I don't recall those specific ones, but regardless, that is a strategy used (successfully) by countries in foreign policy for millenia in pursuit of their interests.Dilbert_X wrote:
The comments where STRATFOR say the US should find people to pit against one another.What comments are you talking about here?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular