I agree. They should still be allowed to breed, but only after they clean themselves up and can support the kid. The problem isthat many women use prostitution to support their habit, and that can lead to pregnancies unfortunately.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?EVieira wrote:
Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.
Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.
I know, that's why I never cited the illegality of drugs. The laws regarding drugs are laughable, but change takes a long time.EVieira wrote:
Call it whatever you want, but alcohol and cigarettes are chemical addictions. The number of uses to get addicted varies from person to person and from substance to substance, but once addicted, alcohol and nicotine addictions can be harder to cure then some illegal drugs.jord wrote:
Yes. Generally a few beers won't create an alcoholic, a few hits of Heroin will though. Now that's what I call chemically addictive.EVieira wrote:
What defined a chemical addiction is if the substance crosses the blood/brain barrier, and thus affects the brain directly. Ethanol and nicotine both do this, which makes alcohol and cigarettes chemical addictions.
But that doesn't mean one drink or one cigarette is enough to make you and addict. Psychological factors can drive people to drink or smoke more, and thus make you an addict.
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?EVieira wrote:
Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.
Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I would say it has more to do with evolving past the desire to breed.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?EVieira wrote:
Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.
Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.
Not really. Immigration will always cover those jobs, because poorer cultures already breed so much to begin with.JohnG@lt wrote:
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
Lots of the cheap jobs are being replaced by machines, so we won't always need as many people doing cheaplabour as we used too.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?EVieira wrote:
Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.
Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
nah, that's what them mexicans are forJohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?EVieira wrote:
Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.
Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
/bad joke
EE (hats
We haven't evolved past shit. We all have sex for fun. We've just been cultured to 'wait for the right time'. Look at the opening sequence in Idiocracy. The supposedly intelligent man and woman in the beginning keep waiting for the right time and it never happens before the man drops dead.Turquoise wrote:
I would say it has more to do with evolving past the desire to breed.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?Not really. Immigration will always cover those jobs, because poorer cultures already breed so much to begin with.JohnG@lt wrote:
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
And lol at immigration always covering those jobs. You have a crystal ball? You can predict the future? What happens after globalization levels the economic playing field and the entire human race decides it's never the right time to have kids? We're going to eventually unbreed ourselves out of existence.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Slavery. I'm impressed.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?EVieira wrote:
Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.
Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
Would you please go back to EE?Acerider wrote:
Lots of the cheap jobs are being replaced by machines, so we won't always need as many people doing cheaplabour as we used too.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You're assuming that breeding is important. It's not. It's optional at best.JohnG@lt wrote:
We haven't evolved past shit. We all have sex for fun. We've just been cultured to 'wait for the right time'. Look at the opening sequence in Idiocracy. The supposedly intelligent man and woman in the beginning keep waiting for the right time and it never happens before the man drops dead.
It will never happen. That's like saying religion will disappear. It won't.JohnG@lt wrote:
And lol at immigration always covering those jobs. You have a crystal ball? You can predict the future? What happens after globalization levels the economic playing field and the entire human race decides it's never the right time to have kids? We're going to eventually unbreed ourselves out of existence.
It ain't slavery. Did you know that genetics play very little role in a persons intellectual outcome? You could have two geniuses breed and two retards breed and the odds are that they would both produce a child of the same intellect. We need those gutter geniuses just as much, if not more than, the silver spoon retards.Ticia wrote:
Slavery. I'm impressed.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It'sa sad reality. Without those people, everyone else is screwed.Ticia wrote:
Slavery. I'm impressed.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
Though robots will replace many service industry jobs. Which leads to a scarier point, when there are no cheap easy jobs left for poverty stricken people, what will they do?
Idle minds are unproductive minds at best and at worst lead to dissent and crime.
Optional at best? So we should unbreed ourselves out of existence? When are you signing up for VHEMT?Turquoise wrote:
You're assuming that breeding is important. It's not. It's optional at best.JohnG@lt wrote:
We haven't evolved past shit. We all have sex for fun. We've just been cultured to 'wait for the right time'. Look at the opening sequence in Idiocracy. The supposedly intelligent man and woman in the beginning keep waiting for the right time and it never happens before the man drops dead.It will never happen. That's like saying religion will disappear. It won't.JohnG@lt wrote:
And lol at immigration always covering those jobs. You have a crystal ball? You can predict the future? What happens after globalization levels the economic playing field and the entire human race decides it's never the right time to have kids? We're going to eventually unbreed ourselves out of existence.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Galt, stop contradicting yourself. You want those babies 'cause they'll be your kids maids.JohnG@lt wrote:
It ain't slavery. Did you know that genetics play very little role in a persons intellectual outcome? You could have two geniuses breed and two retards breed and the odds are that they would both produce a child of the same intellect. We need those gutter geniuses just as much, if not more than, the silver spoon retards.Ticia wrote:
Slavery. I'm impressed.JohnG@lt wrote:
Of course it's immoral to breed when you don't have the means to support a kid. The problem is defining at which point the ability to responsibly raise a kid is reached. Some people never feel secure because they think they're a failure as a parent if they can't send their kid to private school and cater to their every whim and desire. They've bought into the consumer culture that demands the best of everything for a kid. This is a large part of why developed nations have such low birth rates. People have been taught that they must wait for the perfect time to have kids, or to have only a certain amount, and you end up with negative birth rates like in Europe.
The world always needs ditch diggers and burger flippers. Sterilizing off that cheap labor source just means your own kids lives are going to be harder than they have to be.
If you are a heroin addict you should not have kids, I completely agree with you on that. And so should people without high school degrees who live in shacks and already have 6 children.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?EVieira wrote:
Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.
Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.
The immoral thing is offer money to a heroin addict money in exchange for sterilization. You could throw in an extra $50 and graft some skin off his back for a burn victim and he'd do it too.
Here in Brazil, public health offers anyone sterilization procedures for free. (well not for free since we pay an absurd of taxes, but that's another issue...).
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
VHEMT? what's that?JohnG@lt wrote:
Optional at best? So we should unbreed ourselves out of existence? When are you signing up for VHEMT?Turquoise wrote:
You're assuming that breeding is important. It's not. It's optional at best.JohnG@lt wrote:
We haven't evolved past shit. We all have sex for fun. We've just been cultured to 'wait for the right time'. Look at the opening sequence in Idiocracy. The supposedly intelligent man and woman in the beginning keep waiting for the right time and it never happens before the man drops dead.It will never happen. That's like saying religion will disappear. It won't.JohnG@lt wrote:
And lol at immigration always covering those jobs. You have a crystal ball? You can predict the future? What happens after globalization levels the economic playing field and the entire human race decides it's never the right time to have kids? We're going to eventually unbreed ourselves out of existence.
I'm not contradicting myself in the slightest. There will always be people at the bottom and always be people at the top. You aren't stuck in any situation simply because you were born into it. The odds of Uzique ending up in a gutter somewhere are just as good as eleven bravo ending up as a CEO.Ticia wrote:
Galt, stop contradicting yourself. You want those babies 'cause they'll be your kids maids.JohnG@lt wrote:
It ain't slavery. Did you know that genetics play very little role in a persons intellectual outcome? You could have two geniuses breed and two retards breed and the odds are that they would both produce a child of the same intellect. We need those gutter geniuses just as much, if not more than, the silver spoon retards.Ticia wrote:
Slavery. I'm impressed.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Ticia wrote:
Galt, stop contradicting yourself. You want those babies 'cause they'll be your kids maids.JohnG@lt wrote:
It ain't slavery. Did you know that genetics play very little role in a persons intellectual outcome? You could have two geniuses breed and two retards breed and the odds are that they would both produce a child of the same intellect. We need those gutter geniuses just as much, if not more than, the silver spoon retards.Ticia wrote:
Slavery. I'm impressed.
http://www.vhemt.org/Turquoise wrote:
VHEMT? what's that?JohnG@lt wrote:
Optional at best? So we should unbreed ourselves out of existence? When are you signing up for VHEMT?Turquoise wrote:
You're assuming that breeding is important. It's not. It's optional at best.JohnG@lt wrote:
We haven't evolved past shit. We all have sex for fun. We've just been cultured to 'wait for the right time'. Look at the opening sequence in Idiocracy. The supposedly intelligent man and woman in the beginning keep waiting for the right time and it never happens before the man drops dead.
It will never happen. That's like saying religion will disappear. It won't.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It's not immoral. It's practical.EVieira wrote:
If you are a heroin addict you should not have kids, I completely agree with you on that. And so should people without high school degrees who live in shacks and already have 6 children.Ticia wrote:
It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6. But hey that's good livin', right?EVieira wrote:
Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.
Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.
The immoral thing is offer money to a heroin addict money in exchange for sterilization. You could throw in an extra $50 and graft some skin off his back for a burn victim and he'd do it too.
Here in Brazil, public health offers anyone sterilization procedures for free. (well not for free since we pay an absurd of taxes, but that's another issue...).
Ahh, the moron speaks. You going to spew more bullshit about your communist utopia?Trotskygrad wrote:
Ticia wrote:
Galt, stop contradicting yourself. You want those babies 'cause they'll be your kids maids.JohnG@lt wrote:
It ain't slavery. Did you know that genetics play very little role in a persons intellectual outcome? You could have two geniuses breed and two retards breed and the odds are that they would both produce a child of the same intellect. We need those gutter geniuses just as much, if not more than, the silver spoon retards.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I do like the Church of Euthanasia.JohnG@lt wrote:
http://www.vhemt.org/Turquoise wrote:
VHEMT? what's that?JohnG@lt wrote:
Optional at best? So we should unbreed ourselves out of existence? When are you signing up for VHEMT?
That's beside the point though. Too much of the world already breeds like rabbits. My choice not to breed is already made up for by the average Pakistani couple by about a factor of 7.
So what?Turquoise wrote:
I do like the Church of Euthanasia.
That's beside the point though. Too much of the world already breeds like rabbits. My choice not to breed is already made up for by the average Pakistani couple by about a factor of 7.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Keep believing bro.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm not contradicting myself in the slightest. There will always be people at the bottom and always be people at the top. You aren't stuck in any situation simply because you were born into it. The odds of Uzique ending up in a gutter somewhere are just as good as eleven bravo ending up as a CEO.Ticia wrote:
Galt, stop contradicting yourself. You want those babies 'cause they'll be your kids maids.JohnG@lt wrote:
It ain't slavery. Did you know that genetics play very little role in a persons intellectual outcome? You could have two geniuses breed and two retards breed and the odds are that they would both produce a child of the same intellect. We need those gutter geniuses just as much, if not more than, the silver spoon retards.
Why is it always the people that say they don't want kids who try to change the world? Who are they trying to change the world for? It makes zero sense. If you're not going to have kids go skydive every day until your chute doesn't open. Go out with a bang. Why drag it out.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat