BF2S Forums Project Prevention comes to Europe. Is sterilising addicts wrong?

burnzz wrote:

jord wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

wat

Alcohol is psychologically addictive, not chemically addictive, no?

have you ever seen someone suffering the DT's?

I don't know what that is

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Most of them are too cracked out to get it up, let alone impregnate someone. Funny enough, the most effective method of cleaning people up in my experience is watching them scramble after they find out they have a kid on the way.

And the kid's brain is often scrambled if the mother is a crack addict.

Crack is so 1980s.

"Crack is wack." -- Whitney Houston

EVieira wrote:

jord wrote:

It's optional, thus I don't care.

It's worth mentioning parents that don't have a chemical addiction can be equally shit. Especially alcoholics.

Alcoholism is a chemical addiction too. The only difference is that its legal in most countries.

There's a world of different between chemically addicted to say, an Opiate and having an alcohol problem. That said I've had neither, and thus no first hand experiance.

I had a cousin who was addicted to PCP. My aunt and uncle had to send him to rehab out in Utah with the mormons to straighten him out. Scariest thing I ever saw was his older brother (my age) trying to make him go cold turkey before they sent him off. They locked him in his bedroom and the rage, the pure rage, that this kid was experiencing was nuts. He literally shredded everything in that room, even the sheet rock.

JohnG@lt wrote:

I had a cousin who was addicted to PCP. My aunt and uncle had to send him to rehab out in Utah with the mormons to straighten him out. Scariest thing I ever saw was his older brother (my age) trying to make him go cold turkey before they sent him off. They locked him in his bedroom and the rage, the pure rage, that this kid was experiencing was nuts. He literally shredded everything in that room, even the sheet rock.

That's a sad story and all. But tell me again how would your cousin be a good dad?

Ticia wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I had a cousin who was addicted to PCP. My aunt and uncle had to send him to rehab out in Utah with the mormons to straighten him out. Scariest thing I ever saw was his older brother (my age) trying to make him go cold turkey before they sent him off. They locked him in his bedroom and the rage, the pure rage, that this kid was experiencing was nuts. He literally shredded everything in that room, even the sheet rock.

That's a sad story and all. But tell me again how would your cousin be a good dad?

He cleaned up, fixed his life, and now he's normal.

Quitting smoking sucks a big fat one.

Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.

Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ticia wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I had a cousin who was addicted to PCP. My aunt and uncle had to send him to rehab out in Utah with the mormons to straighten him out. Scariest thing I ever saw was his older brother (my age) trying to make him go cold turkey before they sent him off. They locked him in his bedroom and the rage, the pure rage, that this kid was experiencing was nuts. He literally shredded everything in that room, even the sheet rock.

That's a sad story and all. But tell me again how would your cousin be a good dad?

He cleaned up, fixed his life, and now he's normal.

How old was he?

Surely as a libertarian you'd be opposed to that kind of citizens arrest. Assuming he's an adult, who has the right to imprison him against his will?

jord wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ticia wrote:

That's a sad story and all. But tell me again how would your cousin be a good dad?

He cleaned up, fixed his life, and now he's normal.

How old was he?

Surely as a libertarian you'd be opposed to that kind of citizens arrest. Assuming he's an adult, who has the right to imprison him against his will?

Sixteen.

jord wrote:

EVieira wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

ah. i see what you did there... but alcohol is still a chemical, yes? And so, is an addiction to a chemical....




bah, there's probably a reason why i barely passed gen chem.

What defined a chemical addiction is if the substance crosses the blood/brain barrier, and thus affects the brain directly. Ethanol and nicotine both do this, which makes alcohol and cigarettes chemical addictions.

But that doesn't mean one drink or one cigarette is enough to make you and addict. Psychological factors can drive people to drink or smoke more, and thus make you an addict.

Yes. Generally a few beers won't create an alcoholic, a few hits of Heroin will though. Now that's what I call chemically addictive.

Call it whatever you want, but alcohol and cigarettes are chemical addictions. The number of uses to get addicted varies from person to person and from substance to substance, but once addicted, alcohol and nicotine addictions can be harder to cure then some illegal drugs.

EVieira wrote:

Back on topic, I think its completely immoral to induce addicts to sterilization. Addicts of substances like crack and heroin will do ANYTHING to get a fix, so to offer them sterilization is the same as inducing them. If you offered to by one of their kidneys they'd sell it too.

Drug addiction is a HEALTH issue, and governments should address the issue as such. Addicts need treatment, but the problem is treatment is expensive. So when such "charities" offer to sterilise drug addicts they are not thinking of the babies, they are thinking of a cheaper and easier way to deal with the problem in the long run.

It's completely immoral to breed when you don't have means to support the kid. That ok though because in the long run they'll all get raised...in some shithole where they'll be abused and addicted before age 6.  But hey that's good livin', right?

EVieira wrote:

jord wrote:

EVieira wrote:

What defined a chemical addiction is if the substance crosses the blood/brain barrier, and thus affects the brain directly. Ethanol and nicotine both do this, which makes alcohol and cigarettes chemical addictions.

But that doesn't mean one drink or one cigarette is enough to make you and addict. Psychological factors can drive people to drink or smoke more, and thus make you an addict.

Yes. Generally a few beers won't create an alcoholic, a few hits of Heroin will though. Now that's what I call chemically addictive.

Call it whatever you want, but alcohol and cigarettes are chemical addictions. The number of uses to get addicted varies from person to person and from substance to substance, but once addicted, alcohol and nicotine addictions can be harder to cure then some illegal drugs.

That's cause they're not illegal and easily available. Although it aint a cheap habit it's not as expensive as most illegal drugs. And, since your allowed to consume alchohol and nicotine without a fine or jail sentence, there's little incentive to quit your habit until it gets very bad, and at that point, the habit is hard to kick.