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2010-10-18 08:17:34

13rin: Member; +977|6764

Interesting take on death. Kinda long read.

The Death Delusion
August 25, 2007 in Philosophy

Bard Canning wrote:
“Afraid of dying? Don’t be. It’s never going to happen to you, and I can prove it.”

It’s said that Albert Einstein once commented that the most fundamental question we can ever ask ourselves is whether or not the universe we live in is friendly or hostile. He hypothesized that your answer to that question would determine your destiny.

Surely death is the greatest threat that we all face. For many people it gives the universe a decidedly hostile bent. They believe that the race of life can never be won; that we are born to lose.

I do not agree. In fact, I believe that the race was never started to begin with and that death itself is an illusion.

Link contains entire
http://bardcan.wordpress.com/2007/08/25 … s-we-face/

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2010-10-18 09:32:13

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

what the fuck does bard canning have to say about death that all the great philosophers of the last 500 years haven't

sartre and camus talk about the philosophical problem of death just enough

kierkegaard fills in the gaps

then there's an entire dialectic of nihilist and anti-nihilist discourse to deal with the wider problems

fuck yo wordpress, nigga

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2010-10-18 09:33:54

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6690|North Carolina

Well, I thought it was interesting anyway....

2010-10-18 09:39:37

13rin: Member; +977|6764

Looks like I should read up on those three then.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2010-10-18 09:42:25

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5543|foggy bottom

wayne cambell mentioned kierkegaard when he talks to cassandra

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Tu Stultus Es

2010-10-18 09:45:08

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

i tried reading it but it was a bunch of diluted nihilist babble from a moron

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2010-10-18 09:47:07

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6977

Still reading, almost done. This is an interesting article.

"If the right chemical reaction was created in a test tube which exactly mimicked the thought processes of a person sitting in a cafe eating a raspberry tart, then who is to say that this thought hasn’t actually occurred? Just because it has not taken place in a brain does not mean that it is less real, or that the qualia is lost.

In fact the “person” would not even realise that they existed in a test tube rather than a cafe since they would only be aware of what they perceived through their thoughts."

Thought that was a cool part.

2010-10-18 09:52:17

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

pseudo-solipsistic wankery?

my god you guys are impressed easily by the slightest hint of piss-poor philosophy

i do beseech you: "read a book"

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2010-10-18 09:55:24

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6977

Uzique wrote:
pseudo-solipsistic wankery?

my god you guys are impressed easily by the slightest hint of piss-poor philosophy

i do beseech you: "read a book"

Hop off my dick bro. In the end all philosophy is basically wankery. That's the beauty of its discourse.

2010-10-18 09:55:31

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6690|North Carolina

Whenever someone calls me an elitist, I will now point them toward Uzique.

2010-10-18 09:58:25

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5543|foggy bottom

Once you label me you negate me

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2010-10-18 10:01:13

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6977

"A meme is the conceptual equivalent of a gene. It is a concept that can be shared between conscious minds without losing its fundamental integrity; like complex religious beliefs, or the simple custom of shaking hands.

Memes tend to compete with each other for survival and are subject to the same laws of evolution as other forms of life. Memes have been shown to develop self-defensive adaptations with varying levels of internal intelligence. In fact, I assert that since memes are complex intelligent systems they are as valid a form of life as our own protein-based genes or the humans which they construct."

Clearly this guy has never been on 4chan.

2010-10-18 10:02:15

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6284|Vortex Ring State

I don't have time for philosophy about death. I've got better use for my life.

2010-10-18 10:03:22

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6690|North Carolina

Superior Mind wrote:
"A meme is the conceptual equivalent of a gene. It is a concept that can be shared between conscious minds without losing its fundamental integrity; like complex religious beliefs, or the simple custom of shaking hands.

Memes tend to compete with each other for survival and are subject to the same laws of evolution as other forms of life. Memes have been shown to develop self-defensive adaptations with varying levels of internal intelligence. In fact, I assert that since memes are complex intelligent systems they are as valid a form of life as our own protein-based genes or the humans which they construct."

Clearly this guy has never been on 4chan.

That's basically cribbing Richard Dawkins.

2010-10-18 10:06:30

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

Superior Mind wrote:
Uzique wrote:
pseudo-solipsistic wankery?

my god you guys are impressed easily by the slightest hint of piss-poor philosophy

i do beseech you: "read a book"
Hop off my dick bro. In the end all philosophy is basically wankery. That's the beauty of its discourse.

hahaha what a ridiculously stupid fucking statement

"that's the beauty of its discourse"

yeah now stop being clueless. hahahaha.

a well-reasoned, logical and structured philosophical argument is a thing of beauty and a real mind-opener

some guy just diluting already-stated philosophical theories and blagging his ass off on wordpress... is dull, trite and unoriginal.

elitist? yeah, okay. im sure if i linked to a blogspot with some fucking rudimentary engineering, all the engineering grads here would be "elitist" about the shitty/simply designed, bridge...? oh wait, no, all philosophy is meaningless, structureless and just flows. the "beauty of its discourse".

read a fucking book

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2010-10-18 10:10:21

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6690|North Carolina

Uzique wrote:
elitist? yeah, okay. im sure if i linked to a blogspot with some fucking rudimentary engineering, all the engineering grads here would be "elitist" about the shitty/simply designed, bridge...? oh wait, no, all philosophy is meaningless, structureless and just flows. the "beauty of its discourse".

read a fucking book

Engineering is at least more useful.

2010-10-18 10:13:03

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

seriously going to play that card?

philosophy doesn't produce anything tangible and quantifiable, so its worthless?

typical american, relegating culture and intellectualism second to the bottom-dollar return

if it wasn't for philosophy you wouldn't even have a system of morals and ethics-- theological or not

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2010-10-18 10:13:33

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5870

Turquoise wrote:
Uzique wrote:
elitist? yeah, okay. im sure if i linked to a blogspot with some fucking rudimentary engineering, all the engineering grads here would be "elitist" about the shitty/simply designed, bridge...? oh wait, no, all philosophy is meaningless, structureless and just flows. the "beauty of its discourse".

read a fucking book
Engineering is at least more useful.

Governments, legal systems, and other things usually have some sort of philosophy forming it's foundation.

2010-10-18 10:14:44

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5543|foggy bottom

classical liberalism

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2010-10-18 10:15:40

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6690|North Carolina

Uzique wrote:
seriously going to play that card?

philosophy doesn't produce anything tangible and quantifiable, so its worthless?

typical american, relegating culture and intellectualism second to the bottom-dollar return

if it wasn't for philosophy you wouldn't even have a system of morals and ethics-- theological or not

I really don't think that pragmatism is solely an American virtue. I'm sure many Americans would like to believe that, but you're probably giving us too much credit.

Education and intellectualism have their uses, but at the end of the day, without engineers, you're screwed.

You can live without philosophers. Granted, it can get somewhat boring as a result.

2010-10-18 10:16:03

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6977

Uzique wrote:
Superior Mind wrote:
Uzique wrote:
pseudo-solipsistic wankery?

my god you guys are impressed easily by the slightest hint of piss-poor philosophy

i do beseech you: "read a book"
Hop off my dick bro. In the end all philosophy is basically wankery. That's the beauty of its discourse.
hahaha what a ridiculously stupid fucking statement

"that's the beauty of its discourse"

yeah now stop being clueless. hahahaha.

a well-reasoned, logical and structured philosophical argument is a thing of beauty and a real mind-opener

some guy just diluting already-stated philosophical theories and blagging his ass off on wordpress... is dull, trite and unoriginal.

elitist? yeah, okay. im sure if i linked to a blogspot with some fucking rudimentary engineering, all the engineering grads here would be "elitist" about the shitty/simply designed, bridge...? oh wait, no, all philosophy is meaningless, structureless and just flows. the "beauty of its discourse".

read a fucking book

How do you know what I've read or not read? Are philosophical questions not allowed to be returned to, simply because they have already been written about? The clout that comes with the established philosophers we study at school is simply there because they sought to write down their ideas. Those ideas may have existed for thousands of years before them and will continue to exist and be reborn even if all books are burned away. Why is this article not sufficient enough to be interesting? All you've done is stated that all his ideas have been written on before and that you are versed in them. Why is it bellow you to read a colleague's interpretation of those ideas?

2010-10-18 10:16:13

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

nah fuck that the best thing philosophy has ever contributed is a bunch of wishy-washy vague, poorly structured wordpress blog entries and a "beauty of discourse" appreciable by stoned high-school students.

now where's my turnover

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2010-10-18 10:17:36

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6755

Superior Mind wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Superior Mind wrote:

Hop off my dick bro. In the end all philosophy is basically wankery. That's the beauty of its discourse.
hahaha what a ridiculously stupid fucking statement

"that's the beauty of its discourse"

yeah now stop being clueless. hahahaha.

a well-reasoned, logical and structured philosophical argument is a thing of beauty and a real mind-opener

some guy just diluting already-stated philosophical theories and blagging his ass off on wordpress... is dull, trite and unoriginal.

elitist? yeah, okay. im sure if i linked to a blogspot with some fucking rudimentary engineering, all the engineering grads here would be "elitist" about the shitty/simply designed, bridge...? oh wait, no, all philosophy is meaningless, structureless and just flows. the "beauty of its discourse".

read a fucking book
How do you know what I've read or not read? Are philosophical questions not allowed to be returned to, simply because they have already been written about? The clout that comes with the established philosophers we study at school is simply there because they sought to write down their ideas. Those ideas may have existed for thousands of years before them and will continue to exist and be reborn even if all books are burned away. Why is this article not sufficient enough to be interesting? All you've done is stated that all his ideas have been written on before and that you are versed in them. Why is it bellow you to read a colleague's interpretation of those ideas?

already stated, dumbass:

no clear philosophical argument or thesis (not according to any structure or logical method)

no real originality of thought nor any valid reinterpretation or reevaluation of existing thoughts

no real fucking point other than to be inane and try to include as many stupid thoughts into one headfuck of a non-philosophy

read more, high-school isn't exactly the lyceum

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2010-10-18 10:17:41

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6690|North Carolina

Macbeth wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
Uzique wrote:
elitist? yeah, okay. im sure if i linked to a blogspot with some fucking rudimentary engineering, all the engineering grads here would be "elitist" about the shitty/simply designed, bridge...? oh wait, no, all philosophy is meaningless, structureless and just flows. the "beauty of its discourse".

read a fucking book
Engineering is at least more useful.
Governments, legal systems, and other things usually have some sort of philosophy forming it's foundation.

I'm not saying philosophy is useless.

It's like a pyramid of needs. You need a foundation of engineers and laborers to build a society.

You need far fewer philosophers than engineers in a society.

2010-10-18 10:19:10

Trotskygrad: бля; +354|6284|Vortex Ring State

Turquoise wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Turquoise wrote:

Engineering is at least more useful.
Governments, legal systems, and other things usually have some sort of philosophy forming it's foundation.
I'm not saying philosophy is useless.

It's like a pyramid of needs. You need a foundation of engineers and laborers to build a society.

You need far fewer philosophers than engineers in a society.

Where do lawyers fit into that pyramid?

anyways, I disagree with where philosophers fit on that pyramid, there should be philosophers at every level.

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