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I see what you're saying, my only qualm is with the irony of those that treat it as an unquestionable gospel. I've said it before, there is nothing more annoying than someone who chimes in with "but the constitution says" in for example, a firearms debate. That's not a retort or a valid point. I was going to ask you something but you've already answered, correctly in my opinion.JohnG@lt wrote:
Enjoy your lunch.jord wrote:
I know. I'm sure many here do too. I can't help but view it as an outdated, traditionalist proven method of inspiring pride, patriotism and all that over good stuff that makes a young man never question his superiors nor their motives nor their competence. Meh.JohnG@lt wrote:
It does in the US. Many of us take it very seriously.
I'm off to swear an oath to a turkey sandwich.
Difference here is that our Constitution, unlike the idea of a monarchy, is brilliantly founded on logic and reason rather than religion. It's the only thing holding back the crazies on either side from taking control. It's also a thorn in the side of statists like Turquoise. It's beautiful. If the Constitution sucked I'd be the first one to turn my back on it but it really is the only thing guaranteeing personal freedom in a country full of would be tyrants.
I'm not a stauch anti constitutionalist, it's just a means to liberty. I'm just anti closed mindedness.
I am too. I don't treat the constitution like it's the bible or anything. I just think it's a very solid foundation worth defending.jord wrote:
I see what you're saying, my only qualm is with the irony of those that treat it as an unquestionable gospel. I've said it before, there is nothing more annoying than someone who chimes in with "but the constitution says" in for example, a firearms debate. That's not a retort or a valid point. I was going to ask you something but you've already answered, correctly in my opinion.JohnG@lt wrote:
Enjoy your lunch.jord wrote:
I know. I'm sure many here do too. I can't help but view it as an outdated, traditionalist proven method of inspiring pride, patriotism and all that over good stuff that makes a young man never question his superiors nor their motives nor their competence. Meh.
I'm off to swear an oath to a turkey sandwich.
Difference here is that our Constitution, unlike the idea of a monarchy, is brilliantly founded on logic and reason rather than religion. It's the only thing holding back the crazies on either side from taking control. It's also a thorn in the side of statists like Turquoise. It's beautiful. If the Constitution sucked I'd be the first one to turn my back on it but it really is the only thing guaranteeing personal freedom in a country full of would be tyrants.
I'm not a stauch anti constitutionalist, it's just a means to liberty. I'm just anti closed mindedness.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
With no abortion and long life expectancy you're going to have a population spike, and that's a lot more illogical, uneducated voters to increase the amount of time it takes to elect a competent leadership. Enjoy the next 50 years...Trotskygrad wrote:
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his other policiesjord wrote:
With no abortion and long life expectancy you're going to have a population spike, and that's a lot more illogical, uneducated voters to increase the amount of time it takes to elect a competent leadership. Enjoy the next 50 years...Trotskygrad wrote:
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seems too moderate, looks like he's just aiming to gain the biggest voterbase, I'm guessing he's not going to adhere to these positions once he's elected. and yeah, I'm pro-choice
It's a thorn in the side of practical policymaking oftentimes too.JohnG@lt wrote:
Enjoy your lunch.jord wrote:
I know. I'm sure many here do too. I can't help but view it as an outdated, traditionalist proven method of inspiring pride, patriotism and all that over good stuff that makes a young man never question his superiors nor their motives nor their competence. Meh.JohnG@lt wrote:
It does in the US. Many of us take it very seriously.
I'm off to swear an oath to a turkey sandwich.
Difference here is that our Constitution, unlike the idea of a monarchy, is brilliantly founded on logic and reason rather than religion. It's the only thing holding back the crazies on either side from taking control. It's also a thorn in the side of statists like Turquoise. It's beautiful. If the Constitution sucked I'd be the first one to turn my back on it but it really is the only thing guaranteeing personal freedom in a country full of would be tyrants.
We need a population spike. We needed one to happen about ten years ago. It didn't happen and now we're about to have more retired people living off of government welfare than we'll have people in the workforce. It's become an upside down pyramid and there will be hell to pay.jord wrote:
With no abortion and long life expectancy you're going to have a population spike, and that's a lot more illogical, uneducated voters to increase the amount of time it takes to elect a competent leadership. Enjoy the next 50 years...Trotskygrad wrote:
seems too good to be true.
Seriously
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
easier legalization for immigrants.JohnG@lt wrote:
We need a population spike. We needed one to happen about ten years ago. It didn't happen and now we're about to have more retired people living off of government welfare than we'll have people in the workforce. It's become an upside down pyramid and there will be hell to pay.jord wrote:
With no abortion and long life expectancy you're going to have a population spike, and that's a lot more illogical, uneducated voters to increase the amount of time it takes to elect a competent leadership. Enjoy the next 50 years...Trotskygrad wrote:
seems too good to be true.
Seriously
Immigrants more or less solve the pyramid issue, but in addition to that, reducing spending on SS per person would be helpful. I know that's easier said than done, but economic problems in Europe have forced several austerity measures to be taken, including a reduction in certain entitlements.Trotskygrad wrote:
easier legalization for immigrants.JohnG@lt wrote:
We need a population spike. We needed one to happen about ten years ago. It didn't happen and now we're about to have more retired people living off of government welfare than we'll have people in the workforce. It's become an upside down pyramid and there will be hell to pay.jord wrote:
With no abortion and long life expectancy you're going to have a population spike, and that's a lot more illogical, uneducated voters to increase the amount of time it takes to elect a competent leadership. Enjoy the next 50 years...
I figure if even Europe can begin reforming their entitlements, surely we can.
But yeah, abortion really has no relevance with regard to the pyramid issue.
That's a short term solution, you can't keep having a population boom to support an increase in retired citizens. That's just a different issue though, there are pros and cons to everything. The generalization I dislike to make is more people = shittier elected leadership.JohnG@lt wrote:
We need a population spike. We needed one to happen about ten years ago. It didn't happen and now we're about to have more retired people living off of government welfare than we'll have people in the workforce. It's become an upside down pyramid and there will be hell to pay.jord wrote:
With no abortion and long life expectancy you're going to have a population spike, and that's a lot more illogical, uneducated voters to increase the amount of time it takes to elect a competent leadership. Enjoy the next 50 years...Trotskygrad wrote:
seems too good to be true.
Seriously
Abortion is an interesting topic here. It seems the majority here are pro choice, yet it's very close in America as a whole. A quick search shows it to be less than 2%, with pro life winning.Trotskygrad wrote:
his other policiesjord wrote:
With no abortion and long life expectancy you're going to have a population spike, and that's a lot more illogical, uneducated voters to increase the amount of time it takes to elect a competent leadership. Enjoy the next 50 years...Trotskygrad wrote:
seems too good to be true.
Seriously
seems too moderate, looks like he's just aiming to gain the biggest voterbase, I'm guessing he's not going to adhere to these positions once he's elected. and yeah, I'm pro-choice
Though its a debate that nobody ever makes concessions or compromises on. It goes nowhere, especially if roc18 is involved.
Most information I've found shows that pro-choicers are still in the majority here. If pro-lifers were in the majority, Roe vs. Wade would probably be overturned by now.jord wrote:
Abortion is an interesting topic here. It seems the majority here are pro choice, yet it's very close in America as a whole. A quick search shows it to be less than 2%, with pro life winning.Trotskygrad wrote:
his other policiesjord wrote:
With no abortion and long life expectancy you're going to have a population spike, and that's a lot more illogical, uneducated voters to increase the amount of time it takes to elect a competent leadership. Enjoy the next 50 years...
seems too moderate, looks like he's just aiming to gain the biggest voterbase, I'm guessing he's not going to adhere to these positions once he's elected. and yeah, I'm pro-choice
Though its a debate that nobody ever makes concessions or compromises on. It goes nowhere, especially if roc18 is involved.
Hardly. Of all our government branches, the Supreme Court is least influenced by what is popular.Turquoise wrote:
Most information I've found shows that pro-choicers are still in the majority here. If pro-lifers were in the majority, Roe vs. Wade would probably be overturned by now.jord wrote:
Abortion is an interesting topic here. It seems the majority here are pro choice, yet it's very close in America as a whole. A quick search shows it to be less than 2%, with pro life winning.Trotskygrad wrote:
his other policies
seems too moderate, looks like he's just aiming to gain the biggest voterbase, I'm guessing he's not going to adhere to these positions once he's elected. and yeah, I'm pro-choice
Though its a debate that nobody ever makes concessions or compromises on. It goes nowhere, especially if roc18 is involved.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
immigrating to america is a bitch. i love the tsa, ins and homeland security: assume everyone is a terrorist infiltrator.
Well, abortion is also one of those rare topics where America is more liberal than certain other highly developed countries -- like Ireland, Portugal, Malta, and Poland. Generally speaking, Catholic-majority countries are more conservative about abortion, although our own rising Catholic population (mostly coming from Mexico) is probably influencing our society's overall stance on abortion.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hardly. Of all our government branches, the Supreme Court is least influenced by what is popular.Turquoise wrote:
Most information I've found shows that pro-choicers are still in the majority here. If pro-lifers were in the majority, Roe vs. Wade would probably be overturned by now.jord wrote:
Abortion is an interesting topic here. It seems the majority here are pro choice, yet it's very close in America as a whole. A quick search shows it to be less than 2%, with pro life winning.
Though its a debate that nobody ever makes concessions or compromises on. It goes nowhere, especially if roc18 is involved.
So, I suppose it is quite possible that Roe vs. Wade will be overturned in the next 30 years if certain immigration trends continue.
You are correct that the Court is least influenced by majority opinion, but... appointments gradually change that. For example, if Ginsburg stays on the court long enough that a Republican president enters office while the GOP has majorities in Congress (and we assume that none of the conservative Justices retire in the meantime) before retiring, then the GOP could appoint a Justice that would lean pro-life. If this Court then heard a case regarding abortion, then the ruling could have the effect of overturning Roe vs. Wade with a 5-4 (or 6-3 if Kennedy sided with it) decision.
Last edited by Turquoise (2010-10-18 08:00:21)
I think Roe v Wade has been in place long enough that it is relatively safe now.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I have a feeling that we'll lessen the influence of the first 2 institutions over time. Homeland Security looks like it will stay, but the TSA has already gotten a lot of complaints, and the INS is mostly neutered anyway.Cybargs wrote:
immigrating to america is a bitch. i love the tsa, ins and homeland security: assume everyone is a terrorist infiltrator.
The most likely possibility is that we'll open up the visa process and possibly grant some amnesty to a certain amount of illegals.
I could also see the citizenship process being simplified and reduced in cost.
citizen process and green card is a bitch...Turquoise wrote:
I have a feeling that we'll lessen the influence of the first 2 institutions over time. Homeland Security looks like it will stay, but the TSA has already gotten a lot of complaints, and the INS is mostly neutered anyway.Cybargs wrote:
immigrating to america is a bitch. i love the tsa, ins and homeland security: assume everyone is a terrorist infiltrator.
The most likely possibility is that we'll open up the visa process and possibly grant some amnesty to a certain amount of illegals.
I could also see the citizenship process being simplified and reduced in cost.
a lot of chinese/taiwanese immigrants back our halfway through the process and go back...Cybargs wrote:
citizen process and green card is a bitch...Turquoise wrote:
I have a feeling that we'll lessen the influence of the first 2 institutions over time. Homeland Security looks like it will stay, but the TSA has already gotten a lot of complaints, and the INS is mostly neutered anyway.Cybargs wrote:
immigrating to america is a bitch. i love the tsa, ins and homeland security: assume everyone is a terrorist infiltrator.
The most likely possibility is that we'll open up the visa process and possibly grant some amnesty to a certain amount of illegals.
I could also see the citizenship process being simplified and reduced in cost.
A more interesting candidate.
I need to find that debate. I bet it was amazing.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Here's who I will be voting for:
Kristin Davis of the Anti-Prohibition party. Former madam to ex-governor Spitzer.
Kristin Davis of the Anti-Prohibition party. Former madam to ex-governor Spitzer.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
She has a face like a man. What the fuck is wrong with Spitzer?
Nah, she was the madam, this is the chick Spitzer got busted with:ghettoperson wrote:
She has a face like a man. What the fuck is wrong with Spitzer?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Oh right. Yeah she's a lot hotter. Definitely worth the $2k (I think it was)
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