I can see a Doctor in half an hour and get a same day CAT scan for free.John G@lt wrote:
are much more rare
Damn that socialised medicine.
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Fuck Israel
Damn that socialised medicine.
Getting fat, suffering from diabetes and having a heart attack costs the taxpayer money, and will cause a few grey hairs for loved ones. People have a responsibility to their friends, family and community to eat responsibly.
If people prove themselves incapable of eating responsibly, there needs to be something to discourage them from doing so - something other than the knowledge that they're fucking themselves up, because clearly that just isn't enough. That said, we don't want to go removing choices completely, because if we do so then we will become dirty freedom-hating islamic communist liberal terrorists. Linking tax on food to a food's impact on health is possibly one of the fairer options.
If people prove themselves incapable of eating responsibly, there needs to be something to discourage them from doing so - something other than the knowledge that they're fucking themselves up, because clearly that just isn't enough. That said, we don't want to go removing choices completely, because if we do so then we will become dirty freedom-hating islamic communist liberal terrorists. Linking tax on food to a food's impact on health is possibly one of the fairer options.
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Fuck the WHO. Bunch of socialist idiots.Turquoise wrote:
Not according to the WHO. France is repeatedly ranked highly among nations involving care and access. Now, admittedly, we have one of the best systems for advanced care.JohnG@lt wrote:
They also offer worse care,
For everyday care though... France is basically the same quality and much more affordable.Not necessarily. The patient to doctor ratio in America is actually worse than in most of Europe.JohnG@lt wrote:
are much more rare,
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Now, apparently, we're better than Canada and Australia in that respect.Waiting times vary by location. The VA system is supposedly pretty bad, but France's system is nothing like that -- at least according to the WHO. Now, I'll concede that I've never been to France, but I suppose maybe a French member here could confirm what I've read.JohnG@lt wrote:
and aren't as willing to 'go the extra mile'. You're just another number in socialized medicine and they're simply trying to get through their day with as little hassle as possible, same as any other salaried government employee. Trust me, I've been dealing with military and VA care for the past decade and you would never want to deal with either if there was a commercial option available. You can ask any single veteran the same thing and they will give the same answer. Government salaried doctors are awful. I once sat in a doctors office for sixteen hours with what I thought was a hernia. Most excruciating thing I've ever experienced. Turns out I had a staph infection. The waiting period is how they weed out those who 'don't really need care' from those that do. Fucked up innit?
If a private practice doctor had done the same thing to me there would've been a lawsuit. I can go into the walk in clinic and be seen in under a half hour.
Still, there are parts of America where waiting times are bad. The ERs in my city are often pretty clogged, for example, and they're private.
Sorry to hear about your experience with the VA though....
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
so what are you going to do, legislate it?Pubic wrote:
Getting fat, suffering from diabetes and having a heart attack costs the taxpayer money, and will cause a few grey hairs for loved ones. People have a responsibility to their friends, family and community to eat responsibly.
If people prove themselves incapable of eating responsibly, there needs to be something to discourage them from doing so - something other than the knowledge that they're fucking themselves up, because clearly that just isn't enough.
"If people prove themselves incapable of eating responsibly" they'll die. it's called 'natural selection'. do a research n00b.
Fuck off Nazi.Pubic wrote:
Getting fat, suffering from diabetes and having a heart attack costs the taxpayer money, and will cause a few grey hairs for loved ones. People have a responsibility to their friends, family and community to eat responsibly.
If people prove themselves incapable of eating responsibly, there needs to be something to discourage them from doing so - something other than the knowledge that they're fucking themselves up, because clearly that just isn't enough. That said, we don't want to go removing choices either, because if we do so then we will become dirty freedom-hating islamic communist liberals. Linking tax on food to a food's impact on health is possibly one of the fairer options.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well, that was a reasonable response.JohnG@lt wrote:
Fuck off Nazi.Pubic wrote:
Getting fat, suffering from diabetes and having a heart attack costs the taxpayer money, and will cause a few grey hairs for loved ones. People have a responsibility to their friends, family and community to eat responsibly.
If people prove themselves incapable of eating responsibly, there needs to be something to discourage them from doing so - something other than the knowledge that they're fucking themselves up, because clearly that just isn't enough. That said, we don't want to go removing choices either, because if we do so then we will become dirty freedom-hating islamic communist liberals. Linking tax on food to a food's impact on health is possibly one of the fairer options.
i thought so, considering what he was responding to . . .
He specifically said that he didn't want to remove people's choices. He's talking about certain taxes. That's not Nazist.
burnzz, if you're going to tell people to "do a research", you'd do well to research basic grammar first.
JohnG@lt, I'm suggesting linking food tax to food health impacts, not the conquest of Europe/extermination of Jews and other groups. Apples would become cheaper.
JohnG@lt, I'm suggesting linking food tax to food health impacts, not the conquest of Europe/extermination of Jews and other groups. Apples would become cheaper.
fuck off, and then do a research n00b.Pubic wrote:
burnzz, if you're going to tell people to "do a research", you'd do well to research basic grammar first.
"do a research n00b" ~ Boris, one of the many fucked up moderators on this forum, uneducated and allowed to make proxy accounts like "pace51" to 'troll' the registered membership here, because they can. this dying forum only provides them entertainment when they brook the sheer stupidity of members like you, and the unending double standards of staff like flaming_maniac.
you have proven to me, to live up to your user name time and again - 'pubic', something that decent society does not allow to be seen. fuck off.
It's the same fucking thing. If you raise the price of one thing at the expense of another, people gravitate towards the cheaper product. This is almost universal. It's the protectionist pipedream at the macro level and it's the controlling statists pipedream at the micro level. It is 100% about control and limiting peoples options.Turquoise wrote:
He specifically said that he didn't want to remove people's choices. He's talking about certain taxes. That's not Nazist.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Ok, so you're just a fascist then.Pubic wrote:
burnzz, if you're going to tell people to "do a research", you'd do well to research basic grammar first.
JohnG@lt, I'm suggesting linking food tax to food health impacts, not the conquest of Europe/extermination of Jews and other groups. Apples would become cheaper.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Wow... this thread has suddenly become a train wreck of American paranoia.
This forum has become a train wreck.
Macbeth wrote:
This forum has become a train wreck.
So move to Canada.Turquoise wrote:
Wow... this thread has suddenly become a train wreck of American paranoia.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'm actually working on Portugal now. Canada is still a possibility though.JohnG@lt wrote:
So move to Canada.Turquoise wrote:
Wow... this thread has suddenly become a train wreck of American paranoia.
That being said, this forum is on the internet, so where I live really doesn't determine if and how frequent I post.
That's fine. Just know your audience. Intrusions into private life may be the norm and acceptable in other countries. In this country it will get you strung up in a tree.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
australia would be easier coz of the FTA.Turquoise wrote:
I'm actually working on Portugal now. Canada is still a possibility though.JohnG@lt wrote:
So move to Canada.Turquoise wrote:
Wow... this thread has suddenly become a train wreck of American paranoia.
That being said, this forum is on the internet, so where I live really doesn't determine if and how frequent I post.
No one's strung me up.JohnG@lt wrote:
That's fine. Just know your audience. Intrusions into private life may be the norm and acceptable in other countries. In this country it will get you strung up in a tree.
But yeah, I get ya. I just have never really understood most of my countrymen.
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May I suggest some light reading?Turquoise wrote:
No one's strung me up. :pJohnG@lt wrote:
That's fine. Just know your audience. Intrusions into private life may be the norm and acceptable in other countries. In this country it will get you strung up in a tree.
But yeah, I get ya. I just have never really understood most of my countrymen.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Yeah yeah... I know it's your bible. It's not mine.JohnG@lt wrote:
May I suggest some light reading?Turquoise wrote:
No one's strung me up. :pJohnG@lt wrote:
That's fine. Just know your audience. Intrusions into private life may be the norm and acceptable in other countries. In this country it will get you strung up in a tree.
But yeah, I get ya. I just have never really understood most of my countrymen.
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Actually, I think this is the best book ever written:Turquoise wrote:
Yeah yeah... I know it's your bible. It's not mine.JohnG@lt wrote:
May I suggest some light reading?Turquoise wrote:
No one's strung me up. :p
But yeah, I get ya. I just have never really understood most of my countrymen.
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstate … onst-1.jpg
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't have a bible or really base any of my views or actions on some grand ideology.
I'm familiar with Mill. I studied a little about him and his ideas, but I'm more of a fan of Thomas Paine.JohnG@lt wrote:
Actually, I think this is the best book ever written:Turquoise wrote:
Yeah yeah... I know it's your bible. It's not mine.JohnG@lt wrote:
May I suggest some light reading?
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