because mexican law enforcement officials havent been getting killed in record numbers in the border states for the last 10 years
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Well, it has been getting worse with each year. I'm kind of wondering when exactly their government will just collapse. It seems very likely to happen in the next decade or so.eleven bravo wrote:
because mexican law enforcement officials havent been getting killed in record numbers in the border states for the last 10 years
That's more than a tad melodramatic. Yes, there's a lot of drug-related violence, but the government's far from collapse.Turquoise wrote:
Well, it has been getting worse with each year. I'm kind of wondering when exactly their government will just collapse. It seems very likely to happen in the next decade or so.eleven bravo wrote:
because mexican law enforcement officials havent been getting killed in record numbers in the border states for the last 10 years
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Hey, I report, you decide. Melodrama = ratingsFEOS wrote:
That's more than a tad melodramatic. Yes, there's a lot of drug-related violence, but the government's far from collapse.Turquoise wrote:
Well, it has been getting worse with each year. I'm kind of wondering when exactly their government will just collapse. It seems very likely to happen in the next decade or so.eleven bravo wrote:
because mexican law enforcement officials havent been getting killed in record numbers in the border states for the last 10 years
Rape Tree !
Did somebody say "rape tree"?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Rape Tree !
http://www.examiner.com/county-politica … -rape-tree
http://www.latina.com/lifestyle/news-po … -us-border
Reading those anti illegal immigration websites I always find it pretty stupid whenever they state how "crossing the border IS a crime" whenever someone mentions how most illegals are just coming here to seek work/ a better life.
I can understand the importance of wanting to protect your borders and all but come on, crossing some imaginary line that only exist on maps and in laws books isn't some morally reprehensible-mark of cain worthy crime.
I can understand the importance of wanting to protect your borders and all but come on, crossing some imaginary line that only exist on maps and in laws books isn't some morally reprehensible-mark of cain worthy crime.
Who said anything about "the Mark of Cain"? It's a violation of the law. They know it is when they do it.
Moral relativism is something that is generally frowned upon outside of Internet forums...particularly in legal circles.
Moral relativism is something that is generally frowned upon outside of Internet forums...particularly in legal circles.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Speeding should be punishable by death and/or deportation.Macbeth wrote:
Reading those anti illegal immigration websites I always find it pretty stupid whenever they state how "crossing the border IS a crime" whenever someone mentions how most illegals are just coming here to seek work/ a better life.
I can understand the importance of wanting to protect your borders and all but come on, crossing some imaginary line that only exist on maps and in laws books isn't some morally reprehensible-mark of cain worthy crime.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I break the law every day.FEOS wrote:
Who said anything about "the Mark of Cain"? It's a violation of the law. They know it is when they do it.
Moral relativism is something that is generally frowned upon outside of Internet forums...particularly in legal circles.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And if you're caught, you pay a fine or get a warning, as set forth in statute (for speeding). If you do something more serious and get caught, there are more serious consequences. The point re: moral relativism in the eyes of the law still stands. You don't get to use the argument, "It's a stupid law, so I decided it didn't apply to me."JohnG@lt wrote:
I break the law every day.FEOS wrote:
Who said anything about "the Mark of Cain"? It's a violation of the law. They know it is when they do it.
Moral relativism is something that is generally frowned upon outside of Internet forums...particularly in legal circles.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I've read plenty of blogs, like the ones Turq posted, that have held up the the act of moving across the border as being some horrible act or have used that as a basis for an the idea of illegal being a future drain on society or something.
I'm not commenting about law. I'm talking about irrationality of one of the complaints/arguments/? of the anti illegal immigration crowd.
I don't care much for the whole illegal immigration thing, I just don't like piss poor reasoning.
I'm not commenting about law. I'm talking about irrationality of one of the complaints/arguments/? of the anti illegal immigration crowd.
I don't care much for the whole illegal immigration thing, I just don't like piss poor reasoning.
Last edited by Macbeth (2010-10-13 19:42:20)
It just speaks to the need for real immigration reform. The type of reform that will never happen because it will take away a political billyclub that all sides can use so long as it remains unresolved.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
updated 6/28/2007The Senate drove a stake Thursday through President Bush's plan to legalize millions of unlawful immigrants, likely postponing major action on immigration until after the 2008 elections.
Responding to a stinging political setback, President Bush sounded resigned to defeat.
"Legal immigration is one of the top concerns of the American people, and Congress' failure to act on it is a disappointment," Bush said after an appearance in Newport, R.I. "The American people understand the status quo is unacceptable when it comes to our immigration laws. A lot of us worked hard to see if we couldn't find common ground. It didn't work."
The bill's supporters fell 14 votes short of the 60 needed to limit debate and clear the way for final passage of the legislation, which critics assailed as offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. The vote was 46 to 53 in favor of limiting the debate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19475868/
It's still funny how people think Bush=evil. He, like Obama now, got a lot of crap he didn't deserve.
cheney and rumsfeld are the evil ones, bush is supposed to be the dolt
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the figurehead actuallyeleven bravo wrote:
cheney and rumsfeld are the evil ones, bush is supposed to be the dolt
Bush was just as bad as Obama. I should know, I voted for Bush the first time.
Who doesn't?JohnG@lt wrote:
I break the law every day.FEOS wrote:
Who said anything about "the Mark of Cain"? It's a violation of the law. They know it is when they do it.
Moral relativism is something that is generally frowned upon outside of Internet forums...particularly in legal circles.
There is no black and white, only shades of grey.
It's a stupid law because it's unenforceable. Scofflaws abound throughout our society. Immigration and speeding happen to be two very good examples. Laws shouldn't ever be created unless a serious attempt is going to be made to punish each offender. Example? Murder. Every time a murder occurs there is an investigation and at least an attempt to make an arrest. The same can't be true for 90% of the rest of the laws. Thus, they are scofflaws that weaken the position of the justice system by lessening peoples respect and fear of it.FEOS wrote:
And if you're caught, you pay a fine or get a warning, as set forth in statute (for speeding). If you do something more serious and get caught, there are more serious consequences. The point re: moral relativism in the eyes of the law still stands. You don't get to use the argument, "It's a stupid law, so I decided it didn't apply to me."JohnG@lt wrote:
I break the law every day.FEOS wrote:
Who said anything about "the Mark of Cain"? It's a violation of the law. They know it is when they do it.
Moral relativism is something that is generally frowned upon outside of Internet forums...particularly in legal circles.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It's not unenforceable. It's chosen not to be fully enforced, much like speeding. There is a very distinct difference between being unenforceable and being of a low priority.
Murder is so highly enforced because it is a capital crime. If the consequences for murder were less, the investigation and prosecution of murder would be less.
Murder is so highly enforced because it is a capital crime. If the consequences for murder were less, the investigation and prosecution of murder would be less.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Well, America is one of the few highly prosperous nations that is lenient in dealing with illegal immigration. Even Canada is more conservative than us on this issue, and in terms of practicality, it generally makes more sense to be that way.Macbeth wrote:
Reading those anti illegal immigration websites I always find it pretty stupid whenever they state how "crossing the border IS a crime" whenever someone mentions how most illegals are just coming here to seek work/ a better life.
I can understand the importance of wanting to protect your borders and all but come on, crossing some imaginary line that only exist on maps and in laws books isn't some morally reprehensible-mark of cain worthy crime.
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