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Ilocano wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Show me a plumber, electrician, construction worker, mechanic, blue collar charging $200/hr., and I'll show you a lawyer, surgeon, IT consultant charging significantly more.

meh ill show you bad lawyers and surgeons who fuck up all the time (thats why they make so much you know, their insurance)

That's not the point.  Blue collars screw up projects just as well.

Yes, plumbers can own million dollar homes.  But take an equivalently successfully lawyer, and it'll be a 10 million dollar home.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Show me a plumber, electrician, construction worker, mechanic, blue collar charging $200/hr., and I'll show you a lawyer, surgeon, IT consultant charging significantly more.

You do understand that the vast majority of lawyers fail and end up working for the government right? You're also talking about professions that require a college degree. Outside of a few specialized disciplines: lawyers, doctors, engineers, and those with an MBA among them, a college degree is not a requirement for success. My girlfriend makes six figures running an online marketing department for her company and she got her degree in English with a minor in Journalism. Her degree doesn't help her whatsoever in her field. The same can be said for the vast majority of people currently in the work force.

SenorToenails wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Show me a plumber, electrician, construction worker, mechanic, blue collar charging $200/hr., and I'll show you a lawyer, surgeon, IT consultant charging significantly more.

You do understand that the vast majority of lawyers fail and end up working for the government right? You're also talking about professions that require a college degree. Outside of a few specialized disciplines: lawyers, doctors, engineers, and those with an MBA among them, a college degree is not a requirement for success. My girlfriend makes six figures running an online marketing department for her company and she got her degree in English with a minor in Journalism. Her degree doesn't help her whatsoever in her field. The same can be said for the vast majority of people currently in the work force.

It doesn't help her whatsoever now, but it probably helped a great deal in landing the job.  That piece of paper serves as an expensive 'I can stick with something until completion' award that HR departments just love.

That list of professions that requires an advanced degree really should include things like pharmacist, scientist, veterinarian, etc...  That list is a lot longer, but you are 100% correct that they are highly specialized and most people don't fall into those categories.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Do you think she would have still gotten the job without the degree, despite the recommendation?  Or if she worked her way up, to get that management role without that degree?

Considering the ridiculous amount of effort she puts into her job, probably. It depends on what she had replaced her time in college with though. If she fucked around, sat at home and didn't do anything then yeah, it would've been difficult. If I was working in an HR department outside of the specialized fields that I listed earlier, I would value life experience far more than I would value a college degree. Give me a military vet with a clean record and a good head on his shoulders any day of the week.

Turquoise wrote:

A large portion of the worth of having a 4-year degree is the social prestige attached to it.  Ironically, 2-year technical degrees are typically more useful for the average job though.

Ticia wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

A large portion of the worth of having a 4-year degree is the social prestige attached to it.  Ironically, 2-year technical degrees are typically more useful for the average job though.

Most of the times the average job barely needs you to know how to read.

This type of discussion is easy to have when most of us have a post-secondary education; in fact I wonder if the others spend that much time debating on the Internet.

If one cannot find a positive use of a college degree in their workplace and in their lives then one of two: they were so dumb not even school could help, or all their Uni experience was outside of the classrooms.

Thankfully one day college degrees will be as common and as accessible as high school diplomas, the pretentious intellectual elites believe this will stupidify higher education to the point where only masters and doctoral degrees will be prestigious but the obvious benefits of higher educated citizens are too many to list.

Cybargs wrote:

Ticia wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

A large portion of the worth of having a 4-year degree is the social prestige attached to it.  Ironically, 2-year technical degrees are typically more useful for the average job though.

Most of the times the average job barely needs you to know how to read.

This type of discussion is easy to have when most of us have a post-secondary education; in fact I wonder if the others spend that much time debating on the Internet.

If one cannot find a positive use of a college degree in their workplace and in their lives then one of two: they were so dumb not even school could help, or all their Uni experience was outside of the classrooms.

Thankfully one day college degrees will be as common and as accessible as high school diplomas, the pretentious intellectual elites believe this will stupidify higher education to the point where only masters and doctoral degrees will be prestigious but the obvious benefits of higher educated citizens are too many to list.

educational inflation bro.

Ticia wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ticia wrote:

Most of the times the average job barely needs you to know how to read.

This type of discussion is easy to have when most of us have a post-secondary education; in fact I wonder if the others spend that much time debating on the Internet.

If one cannot find a positive use of a college degree in their workplace and in their lives then one of two: they were so dumb not even school could help, or all their Uni experience was outside of the classrooms.

Thankfully one day college degrees will be as common and as accessible as high school diplomas, the pretentious intellectual elites believe this will stupidify higher education to the point where only masters and doctoral degrees will be prestigious but the obvious benefits of higher educated citizens are too many to list.

Well, honestly, I think we've already seen some of the last thing you mention.  Online degrees are pretty useless oftentimes.

Cyberporn major doesn't count

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ticia wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

A large portion of the worth of having a 4-year degree is the social prestige attached to it.  Ironically, 2-year technical degrees are typically more useful for the average job though.

Most of the times the average job barely needs you to know how to read.

This type of discussion is easy to have when most of us have a post-secondary education; in fact I wonder if the others spend that much time debating on the Internet.

If one cannot find a positive use of a college degree in their workplace and in their lives then one of two: they were so dumb not even school could help, or all their Uni experience was outside of the classrooms.

Thankfully one day college degrees will be as common and as accessible as high school diplomas, the pretentious intellectual elites believe this will stupidify higher education to the point where only masters and doctoral degrees will be prestigious but the obvious benefits of higher educated citizens are too many to list.

College degrees are plentiful over here and they have in fact watered it down to the point that a masters or doctorate is necessary in most careers to advance, an MBA especially.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ticia wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

College degrees are plentiful over here and they have in fact watered it down to the point that a masters or doctorate is necessary in most careers to advance, an MBA especially.

Good.

Not good. What's the point of having overtrained apes with self-inflated egos pushing a button all day? All it did was turn colleges into a trillion dollar industry designed to spit out their yearly issue of zombies. I'm all for education for educations sake but requiring a college degree in order to get a job in relatively unskilled labor markets is asinine. Why do people go to college to major in English? They could take the money they spent on that 'education', buy a library and a trip to the south of France and write to their hearts content while learning a helluva lot more than they do in the classroom. Outside of the hard sciences, I've never understood the need or desire to sit in a classroom in order to learn.