Ticia
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I'm surprised this is not here yet,is all over Facebook.

Firefighters watch as home burns to the ground

A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.

The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldn't do anything to stop his house from burning.

Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay.

The mayor said if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.

This fire went on for hours because garden hoses just wouldn't put it out. It wasn't until that fire spread to a neighbor's property, that anyone would respond.

Turns out, the neighbor had paid the fee.
My question is firefighting as a subscription model service the dumbest idea ever?
Turquoise
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It is pretty ridiculous.  Taxation should cover this sort of thing.
eleven bravo
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something similar came up in the news recently about the fires in colorado.  a private firefighting company was sent from out of state to help protect properties that had certain insurance policies.  the thing with that ofcourse is that theyll ignore properties without those policies even though they may have the ability to save them.
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lol I thought this was one of the first things (along with other emergency services) to be paid via tax
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
Turquoise
O Canada
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FloppY_ wrote:

lol I thought this was one of the first things (along with other emergency services) to be paid via tax
Municipalities run these systems.  This particular town opted for a subscription service instead.
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FloppY_
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Turquoise wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

lol I thought this was one of the first things (along with other emergency services) to be paid via tax
Municipalities run these systems.  This particular town opted for a subscription service instead.
That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina
No argument here...  but this is Tennessee we're talking about.  They've always been a little strange.
Trotskygrad
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extinguish it with their permission and bill them later... that's how it should be done
mikkel
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FloppY_ wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

lol I thought this was one of the first things (along with other emergency services) to be paid via tax
Municipalities run these systems.  This particular town opted for a subscription service instead.
That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard
Why is it dumb?
FloppY_
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mikkel wrote:

FloppY_ wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Municipalities run these systems.  This particular town opted for a subscription service instead.
That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard
Why is it dumb?
Not having a public firefighting service is like not having any police or any emergency & rescue service...
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
KEN-JENNINGS
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Some towns are too small to financially support a full blown fire department.  Some of those towns have 'volunteer' firefighters, either paid directly by the citizens of the town or funded my small fees charged by the town government.  It's not as cut and dry as you seem to think.
Jay
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+2,006|5636|London, England

Ticia wrote:

I'm surprised this is not here yet,is all over Facebook.

Firefighters watch as home burns to the ground

A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.

The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldn't do anything to stop his house from burning.

Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton. But the Cranicks did not pay.

The mayor said if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.

This fire went on for hours because garden hoses just wouldn't put it out. It wasn't until that fire spread to a neighbor's property, that anyone would respond.

Turns out, the neighbor had paid the fee.
My question is firefighting as a subscription model service the dumbest idea ever?
Nothing wrong with it as long as they aren't starting fires in order to scare people into paying for it. You could, as Turquoise pointed out, draw from taxation, but this way is actually more efficient. The cost of fighting the fires will more accurately reflect in the fees that are processed rather than drawing from the general taxation fund. Heck, this type of service leads to competition rather than a local monopoly. I like it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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Trotskygrad wrote:

extinguish it with their permission and bill them later... that's how it should be done
That works too.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Vilham
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does sound pretty stupid, this is one of the things taxation should definitely be funding.
Jay
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Vilham wrote:

does sound pretty stupid, this is one of the things taxation should definitely be funding.
Why? He could've very easily paid the $75 on top of his property taxes every year but chose not to. Treat the subscription like taxes, send out a check, voila, you're covered. He chose to be a cheapskate and his house burned to the ground. No sympathy.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Some towns are too small to financially support a full blown fire department.  Some of those towns have 'volunteer' firefighters, either paid directly by the citizens of the town or funded my small fees charged by the town government.  It's not as cut and dry as you seem to think.
That's a good point...  but it's also a good reason not to live in a small town.
Ilocano
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Should be given the option to be billed like how Ambulances work...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Vilham wrote:

does sound pretty stupid, this is one of the things taxation should definitely be funding.
Why? He could've very easily paid the $75 on top of his property taxes every year but chose not to. Treat the subscription like taxes, send out a check, voila, you're covered. He chose to be a cheapskate and his house burned to the ground. No sympathy.
Well, I mean, you could have a police subscription fee too.  Some areas have that...   although it's normally referred to as bribing.
Jay
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+2,006|5636|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Vilham wrote:

does sound pretty stupid, this is one of the things taxation should definitely be funding.
Why? He could've very easily paid the $75 on top of his property taxes every year but chose not to. Treat the subscription like taxes, send out a check, voila, you're covered. He chose to be a cheapskate and his house burned to the ground. No sympathy.
Well, I mean, you could have a police subscription fee too.  Some areas have that...   although it's normally referred to as bribing.
At the core of it, what's the difference between paying a subscription or paying into a general tax fund? Nothing except a layer of bureaucracy.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Why? He could've very easily paid the $75 on top of his property taxes every year but chose not to. Treat the subscription like taxes, send out a check, voila, you're covered. He chose to be a cheapskate and his house burned to the ground. No sympathy.
Well, I mean, you could have a police subscription fee too.  Some areas have that...   although it's normally referred to as bribing.
At the core of it, what's the difference between paying a subscription or paying into a general tax fund? Nothing except a layer of bureaucracy.
Cash flow.

A steady cash flow allows for better structuring than a pay as you go system.
Jay
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+2,006|5636|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Well, I mean, you could have a police subscription fee too.  Some areas have that...   although it's normally referred to as bribing.
At the core of it, what's the difference between paying a subscription or paying into a general tax fund? Nothing except a layer of bureaucracy.
Cash flow.

A steady cash flow allows for better structuring than a pay as you go system.
Ahh, but the cash flow the department receives is based on a real need as opposed to a theoretical one with a subscription service. Fire a threat? Subscription payers go up. Fire not so much a threat? Subscriptions go down. The size of the department would reflect this reality rather than the fire chief getting whatever he wants regardless of reality because all he has to do is go to the city council and make threats.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6683|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


At the core of it, what's the difference between paying a subscription or paying into a general tax fund? Nothing except a layer of bureaucracy.
Cash flow.

A steady cash flow allows for better structuring than a pay as you go system.
Ahh, but the cash flow the department receives is based on a real need as opposed to a theoretical one with a subscription service. Fire a threat? Subscription payers go up. Fire not so much a threat? Subscriptions go down. The size of the department would reflect this reality rather than the fire chief getting whatever he wants regardless of reality because all he has to do is go to the city council and make threats.
What happens when fire unexpectedly becomes a threat and half of the population hasn't paid a subscription?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5636|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Cash flow.

A steady cash flow allows for better structuring than a pay as you go system.
Ahh, but the cash flow the department receives is based on a real need as opposed to a theoretical one with a subscription service. Fire a threat? Subscription payers go up. Fire not so much a threat? Subscriptions go down. The size of the department would reflect this reality rather than the fire chief getting whatever he wants regardless of reality because all he has to do is go to the city council and make threats.
What happens when fire unexpectedly becomes a threat and half of the population hasn't paid a subscription?
They organize bucket brigades and/or learn a lesson.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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