True altruists are non existent. Whether is a place in heaven or a thank you note, we all want something back.jord wrote:
I can't. People who do good deeds to go to Heaven or avoid Hell don't deserve the same respect as someone who does good things just to help out others.Turquoise wrote:
I can agree with that.Beduin wrote:
I never cared about what a person believes in. What I do care about is the person’s behavior towards his/her surroundings. I would say that whatever a person really believes in, will be reflected on his/her behavior, no matter what he/she claims.
Simply, ask yourself. When was that last time you helped someone?
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If you have’nt, well… no one needs you
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.Ticia wrote:
True altruists are non existent. Whether is a place in heaven or a thank you note, we all want something back.jord wrote:
I can't. People who do good deeds to go to Heaven or avoid Hell don't deserve the same respect as someone who does good things just to help out others.Turquoise wrote:
I can agree with that.
Ok. But if a good deed (whatever that means) is always praised,why discussing motives then?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.Ticia wrote:
True altruists are non existent. Whether is a place in heaven or a thank you note, we all want something back.jord wrote:
I can't. People who do good deeds to go to Heaven or avoid Hell don't deserve the same respect as someone who does good things just to help out others.
I was also discussing the motives of not doing bad deeds. I don't go around commiting crimes with a personal victim not because of a fear of hell, or because of legislation but because I plain don't want to hurt innocent people. If a persons religion stops them from commiting crimes with victims then they should not be respected nor praised. The end result is the same but the motive does matter to me in accessing a persons character.Ticia wrote:
Ok. But if a good deed (whatever that means) is always praised,why discussing motives then?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.Ticia wrote:
True altruists are non existent. Whether is a place in heaven or a thank you note, we all want something back.
If you give anonimously , expecting nothing in return, and that makes you feel better, how is that not altruism?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.Ticia wrote:
True altruists are non existent. Whether is a place in heaven or a thank you note, we all want something back.jord wrote:
I can't. People who do good deeds to go to Heaven or avoid Hell don't deserve the same respect as someone who does good things just to help out others.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
It entirely depends on the motivations of the giver. It's an endless debate with no concrete answer.EVieira wrote:
If you give anonimously , expecting nothing in return, and that makes you feel better, how is that not altruism?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.Ticia wrote:
True altruists are non existent. Whether is a place in heaven or a thank you note, we all want something back.
True, but in that case true altruism does exist in those that have the right motivation. If a person did something out of pure altruism is an endless debate, but who are we to judge, right? Its up to your conscience.jord wrote:
It entirely depends on the motivations of the giver. It's an endless debate with no concrete answer.EVieira wrote:
If you give anonymously , expecting nothing in return, and that makes you feel better, how is that not altruism?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
It is. Jords definition is a physical impossibility.EVieira wrote:
If you give anonimously , expecting nothing in return, and that makes you feel better, how is that not altruism?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.Ticia wrote:
True altruists are non existent. Whether is a place in heaven or a thank you note, we all want something back.
I don't know about that. I realise its very difficult, but I believe someone with a childlike intelligence could by my definition be truly altruistic. Or perhaps someone with mental disabilities, though I realise its very hard if not impossible to truly know with those 2 examples.DrunkFace wrote:
It is. Jords definition is a physical impossibility.EVieira wrote:
If you give anonimously , expecting nothing in return, and that makes you feel better, how is that not altruism?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.
quit embarrassing yourself
Tu Stultus Es
Yeah, I favor this definition of altruism myself.EVieira wrote:
If you give anonimously , expecting nothing in return, and that makes you feel better, how is that not altruism?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.Ticia wrote:
True altruists are non existent. Whether is a place in heaven or a thank you note, we all want something back.
Most do. FM had that thread a while back that incorporates this whole discussion,, though I cba searching for it.Turquoise wrote:
Yeah, I favor this definition of altruism myself.EVieira wrote:
If you give anonimously , expecting nothing in return, and that makes you feel better, how is that not altruism?jord wrote:
I've said that before and debated it. The best example of altruism is someone giving anonymously but again you can never know if they're doing it to feel better about themselves.
Just between you and me, FM is a bit of a nutcase. Got a few screws loose if you know what I mean.jord wrote:
Most do. FM had that thread a while back that incorporates this whole discussion,, though I cba searching for it.Turquoise wrote:
Yeah, I favor this definition of altruism myself.EVieira wrote:
If you give anonimously , expecting nothing in return, and that makes you feel better, how is that not altruism?
Maybe, a few months ago i'd have agreed wholeheartedly. However he's been alright with me and even apologized for something that happened a while back. My nutjob hate has since shifted to shifty/warman/haibai/nhb shadow and that specialist2324 kid.DrunkFace wrote:
Just between you and me, FM is a bit of a nutcase. Got a few screws loose if you know what I mean.jord wrote:
Most do. FM had that thread a while back that incorporates this whole discussion,, though I cba searching for it.Turquoise wrote:
Yeah, I favor this definition of altruism myself.
To be honest, FM seems a lot more moderate now than he was a few years ago.DrunkFace wrote:
Just between you and me, FM is a bit of a nutcase. Got a few screws loose if you know what I mean.jord wrote:
Most do. FM had that thread a while back that incorporates this whole discussion,, though I cba searching for it.Turquoise wrote:
Yeah, I favor this definition of altruism myself.
quoted for the m**********n truthDrunkFace wrote:
Just between you and me, FM is a bit of a nutcase. Got a few screws loose if you know what I mean.
I would have to say, in terms of anonymous gifts and donations, you'll never know. The motivation of the giver cannot ever be completely known, so that's pretty hard to define.
What about someone coming to the rescue of someone they don't know, without ever processing positive benefits to themselves? ie Car on fire, someone rushes in without thinking to save another and without time to think about the "hero" factor that would inevitably come later?
That's as close to "doing it for the welfare of others and not yourself", as you can get, IMHO
What about someone coming to the rescue of someone they don't know, without ever processing positive benefits to themselves? ie Car on fire, someone rushes in without thinking to save another and without time to think about the "hero" factor that would inevitably come later?
That's as close to "doing it for the welfare of others and not yourself", as you can get, IMHO
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burnzz wrote:
quoted for the m**********n truthDrunkFace wrote:
Just between you and me, FM is a bit of a nutcase. Got a few screws loose if you know what I mean.
the pot said to the kettle, I just thought it sounded funny amidst all this.eleven bravo wrote:
following me around now are weHunter/Jumper wrote:
notedeleven bravo wrote:
the earth is 5 billion years old
The Good Samaritan parable . . .oChaos.Haze wrote:
That's as close to "doing it for the welfare of others and not yourself", as you can get, IMHO
I don't think there is a god and really don't care about anyone enough to convince them either.
I have a bit more respect for you hearing that.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I believe that is what they are trying to teach, I never had the " Hell " part taught to me. I was raised a Lutheran tho. They was all hypocrites anyway. My mom brought a black family to church with us and they went wild. I was like " thank God - I knew they were fakes. I am outa here " and I never went back. I was only 9 but I stood my ground. I never went back. I hated it anyway. Sorry if I offended anyone.jord wrote:
I can't. People who do good deeds to go to Heaven or avoid Hell don't deserve the same respect as someone who does good things just to help out others.Turquoise wrote:
I can agree with that.
As for the topic, I think it's because the more you research into religion, the less believable it becomes.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Oh I have ... used exactly that example.Spark wrote:
Don't tell me that, tell them. Surely you know some insincere Christians? I often find them to be a bit louder than usual.Stingray24 wrote:
Forgiveness is for the sincere. I believe you've mistaken God for the genie in Aladdin's lamp.Spark wrote:
A kind of cosmic get-out-of-jail-free card - except you can reuse this one.
I never said I was ( On board ), Only that I saw and understood there point of view and respected it. My church group would routinely travel to devastated areas ( Hurricanes and such ) and help out. Some ( most ) of the were Hypocrites, obviously my Mom wasn't. But she needed their approval and sense of fellowship so much she turned a blind eye to Their hypocrisy, She was the Lutheran version of 11Bravo and wanted to fit in so bad that " She saw the Emperors clothes ! " They did more good them harm on the whole.presidentsheep wrote:
I have a bit more respect for you hearing that.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
I believe that is what they are trying to teach, I never had the " Hell " part taught to me. I was raised a Lutheran tho. They was all hypocrites anyway. My mom brought a black family to church with us and they went wild. I was like " thank God - I knew they were fakes. I am outa here " and I never went back. I was only 9 but I stood my ground. I never went back. I hated it anyway. Sorry if I offended anyone.jord wrote:
I can't. People who do good deeds to go to Heaven or avoid Hell don't deserve the same respect as someone who does good things just to help out others.
As for the topic, I think it's because the more you research into religion, the less believable it becomes.
