arent sarkozy and merkel conservatives in their countries
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Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.eleven bravo wrote:
arent sarkozy and merkel conservatives in their countries
Yeah those first examples are obvious ones hence the qualifier.JohnG@lt wrote:
Chavez, Castro, the chick down in Argentina, the president of Brazil etc.Spark wrote:
DON'T SAY SUCH FOOLISH THINGS!JohnG@lt wrote:
They're all right of center. From an American perspective, he's a leftist, but only in comparison to his opposition. In comparison to leftist leaders around the world he's a moderate.
Out of interest who in the Western world qualifies as a left-of-centre leader? Because I can't think of any right now.
Umm, Sarkozy, Merkel to an extent... there are a lot.
Well, like Obama is still right of center and considered a leftist, those two are still left of center but appear moderate in comparison to their countrymen.Spark wrote:
Yeah those first examples are obvious ones hence the qualifier.JohnG@lt wrote:
Chavez, Castro, the chick down in Argentina, the president of Brazil etc.Spark wrote:
DON'T SAY SUCH FOOLISH THINGS!
Out of interest who in the Western world qualifies as a left-of-centre leader? Because I can't think of any right now.
Umm, Sarkozy, Merkel to an extent... there are a lot.
Sarkozy and Merkel... interesting. I don't really follow European politics at all, but I had them tagged as right-of-centre.
Wasn't arguing to be fair, as that does make sense. It just didn't fit my preconceived notions.JohnG@lt wrote:
Well, like Obama is still right of center and considered a leftist, those two are still left of center but appear moderate in comparison to their countrymen.Spark wrote:
Yeah those first examples are obvious ones hence the qualifier.JohnG@lt wrote:
Chavez, Castro, the chick down in Argentina, the president of Brazil etc.
Umm, Sarkozy, Merkel to an extent... there are a lot.
Sarkozy and Merkel... interesting. I don't really follow European politics at all, but I had them tagged as right-of-centre.
Sarkozy is pretty right wing, actually. Even by American standards, he would be considered moderate, not left of center.JohnG@lt wrote:
Chavez, Castro, the chick down in Argentina, the president of Brazil etc.Spark wrote:
DON'T SAY SUCH FOOLISH THINGS!JohnG@lt wrote:
They're all right of center. From an American perspective, he's a leftist, but only in comparison to his opposition. In comparison to leftist leaders around the world he's a moderate.
Out of interest who in the Western world qualifies as a left-of-centre leader? Because I can't think of any right now.
Umm, Sarkozy, Merkel to an extent... there are a lot.
No, both are very much conservative by their own countries' standards.JohnG@lt wrote:
Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.eleven bravo wrote:
arent sarkozy and merkel conservatives in their countries
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Agreed. One country's Conservative is another countries Liberal. Different standards with different histories.Turquoise wrote:
No, both are very much conservative by their own countries' standards.JohnG@lt wrote:
Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.eleven bravo wrote:
arent sarkozy and merkel conservatives in their countries
Indeed. An interesting line (via the wikipedia article on the history pf the democratic party):Harmor wrote:
Agreed. One country's Conservative is another countries Liberal. Different standards with different histories.Turquoise wrote:
No, both are very much conservative by their own countries' standards.JohnG@lt wrote:
Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.
Also time is a factor, e.g., JFK would be considered a Conservative today even though he was a Democrat when he was alive.
Two old words took on new meanings: "Liberal" now meant a supporter of the New Deal; "conservative" meant an opponent.
JFK was a tard. Period. The only thing that would make him 'conservative' was his penchant for interventionism. He gave us federal unions and affirmative action.Harmor wrote:
Agreed. One country's Conservative is another countries Liberal. Different standards with different histories.Turquoise wrote:
No, both are very much conservative by their own countries' standards.JohnG@lt wrote:
Conservatives only to the extent that they want to cement the status quo.
Also time is a factor, e.g., JFK would be considered a Conservative today even though he was a Democrat when he was alive.
Lol denmark not socialist at all my ass.JohnG@lt wrote:
Then again, the site seems to have a right leaning bias when ranking politicians...
http://politicalcompass.org/images/eu2008.gif
There's no way in hell that most of those nations could be considered so far right unless the person ranking them was a Das Kapital wielding zealot.
don't forget lincoln. greatest rino evuh.Harmor wrote:
Speaking of Dead Presidents did you know Nixon was the equivalent of a RINO today?
I didn't think it came out of your butt with 8ravo n 8urns stuck so tight in there.JohnG@lt wrote:
What fucking source? It came out of my photobucket.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
It surprised me, I was almost dead center. I highly doubt it is the same test. I think b.o. would be an easy -9 -9 on the test I took here years back.Phrozenbot wrote:
Near Barry O? It must be killing you.
Still no source of graph ?you need to cite the source . . . . . or it is merely opinion. it's also a forum rule . . .
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True, I remember. It was long before Joe J@rk arrived. It cant possibly be the same test. Can we run that old test again ? It would be telling to say the least.Phrozenbot wrote:
I'm unsure of the source. There used to be a sticky here that had the members mapped out until the originator of the thread stopped updating it.