BF2S Forums Euthanasia - Make it legal everywhere?

jord wrote:

Its not just a few seconds though. People want to end their lives with zero pain and somewhat of a decent looking corpse which rules heights out. They also obviously don't want to be spending £5000 on euthanasia or £500 on a gun and a lot of effort. In todays age is that really too much to ask?

Carbon monoxide poisoning.

Rent car (about $100 right?)
Buy hose.
Connect hose from exhaust and run into interior.
???
Profit.

jord wrote:

It is one of the better ways. Shame you have to be 21 to rent a car, plus there's a chance of being caught half way through and saved...

I heard injecting air into a vein is a decent way.

That sounds rather painful.  Meh, best to just live.

jord wrote:

It is one of the better ways. Shame you have to be 21 to rent a car, plus there's a chance of being caught half way through and saved...

I heard injecting air into a vein is a decent way.

Injecting air into a vein is effective...  but definitely painful....

DBBrinson1 wrote:

jord wrote:

It is one of the better ways. Shame you have to be 21 to rent a car, plus there's a chance of being caught half way through and saved...

I heard injecting air into a vein is a decent way.

That sounds rather painful.  Meh, best to just live.

I'd bet it is. Would give you the mother of all blood clots, DVT times a thousand. Or something like the bends.

Last edited by Spark (2010-09-21 22:38:27)

Shahter wrote:

Ticia wrote:

Actually i do know some real doctors and they've all been pretty clear about it, if the laws were different their main concern would be respecting the patient wish, the same way they do now when one refuses treatment.
Unless they're religious, doctors and health personnel are usual a lot more practical about the death and life issues than the rest of us.

some nice "doctors" you have there. those i know are all on the opposite side of this argument, regardless of their take on religion - no fucking way. now, most would be willing to give a professional opinion to the court on the matter, yes - like recovery statistics and their take on the situation re the patients condition, pain management and all that stuff. but when asked if they would themselves actually end, or order others to end, a human life they always answer with a "hell, no". why? - precisely because they know a lot more about human life than any of us, or rather they know how presious little our modern science have discovered about it for anybody to claim to know when it would be okay to "put somebody out of his misery".

Human life isn't precious. It isn't something to be saved at all costs. Its up to each individual what they do with their life and that includes euthanasia.

jord wrote:

Shahter wrote:

Ticia wrote:

Actually i do know some real doctors and they've all been pretty clear about it, if the laws were different their main concern would be respecting the patient wish, the same way they do now when one refuses treatment.
Unless they're religious, doctors and health personnel are usual a lot more practical about the death and life issues than the rest of us.

some nice "doctors" you have there. those i know are all on the opposite side of this argument, regardless of their take on religion - no fucking way. now, most would be willing to give a professional opinion to the court on the matter, yes - like recovery statistics and their take on the situation re the patients condition, pain management and all that stuff. but when asked if they would themselves actually end, or order others to end, a human life they always answer with a "hell, no". why? - precisely because they know a lot more about human life than any of us, or rather they know how presious little our modern science have discovered about it for anybody to claim to know when it would be okay to "put somebody out of his misery".

Human life isn't precious. It isn't something to be saved at all costs. Its up to each individual what they do with their life and that includes euthanasia.

absolutely. you are perfectly welcome to kill yourself. in fact, i insist.
now, what do we do with people who cannot express their wishes? what about those who are pumped full of morphipne 24/7 - should we consider their words? that is the question we've been discussing here. would you decide for somebody else? who should decide? how do we sort out the frauds and abusers? it's not a matter of the cost of euthanasia at all, dipshit.

jord wrote:

I'm not going to go into every possible scenario for you though especially if you're going to get pointlessly worked up and throw around insults in every post...

you are so full of it it's not even funny. i hate to disappont you, but you are incapable of getting me "worked up" at all. if you've nothing to add to this discussion save idiotic "human life is not precious" - don't post.

jord wrote:

Shahter wrote:

jord wrote:

I'm not going to go into every possible scenario for you though especially if you're going to get pointlessly worked up and throw around insults in every post...

you are so full of it it's not even funny. i hate to disappont you, but you are incapable of getting me "worked up" at all. if you've nothing to add to this discussion save idiotic "human life is not precious" - don't post.

It isn't. If I thought it was id be against abortion, against the death penalty and want the medical budget to be increased...

What exactly is it you add to discussions? Other than "everyone is brainwashed but me" phrase... so no, I've been posting constructively in this thread for numerous pages so I shan't stop because some moronic russian says so.

orly? now you get all worked up because i think you are a braiwashed simpleton? yes, i do, now what does it have to do with anything that's being discussed in this thread? yes, we all heard your opinion re human life. yes, we now know that you think it's not precious and doesn't worth being saved at all costs. and, you know that? - just about every other intellingent being on this planet thinks different. that's why this discussion started in the first place. it has nothing to do with me being moronic or russian.
you've nothing to add? - gtfo.

Shahter wrote:

jord wrote:

Shahter wrote:

you are so full of it it's not even funny. i hate to disappont you, but you are incapable of getting me "worked up" at all. if you've nothing to add to this discussion save idiotic "human life is not precious" - don't post.

It isn't. If I thought it was id be against abortion, against the death penalty and want the medical budget to be increased...

What exactly is it you add to discussions? Other than "everyone is brainwashed but me" phrase... so no, I've been posting constructively in this thread for numerous pages so I shan't stop because some moronic russian says so.

orly? now you get all worked up because i think you are a braiwashed simpleton? yes, i do, now what does it have to do with anything that's being discussed in this thread? yes, we all heard your opinion re human life. yes, we now know that you think it's not precious and doesn't worth being saved at all costs. and, you know that? - just about every other intellingent being on this planet thinks different. that's why this discussion started in the first place. it has nothing to do with me being moronic or russian.
you've nothing to add? - gtfo.

It doesn't have anything to do with the thread, you started the insults and I responded in kind. You're always the one that turns a topic downhill with petty insults so don't get pissed when someone responds with an insult. We're all brainwashed to some extent, there is no black and white. Just differant shades of Grey. Though I'm curious as to what way inclined I am on the old brainwashed front... brainwashed nationalist? Brainwshed towards democracy? Brainwashed in general so my opinions stay in line with the majority? Brainwashed by religion? Come on, you throw this brainwashed thing around so much that its time to get specific...

Human life isn't so precious it should be saved at all costs. I assume you to be anti euthanasia, anti abortion, anti death penalty, etc then? Yes?

Shahter wrote:

jord wrote:

Human life isn't so precious it should be saved at all costs. I assume you to be anti euthanasia, anti abortion, anti death penalty, etc then? Yes?

i'm pro-abortion and pro-death penalty, however i'm not sure about euthanasia. and if you actually think that those things have anything in common but the fact that something gets killed in the process, then you've just proven everything i've written in my latest posts in this thread.
have a good day.

They have 1 thing in common, and that's they all are linked to human life. On the subject of human life being precious they are appropriate examples. Abortion was a stretch for me as I don't see a fetus as a human life, but its a stretched example.

Though before we both go on to have a good day can you just elaborate on how me and numerous others are brainwashed please. If its differant per member than just give me an example specific to me, I'm intrigued.

Petitions are about as effective as ranting on the internet about an issue.

Shahter wrote:

jord wrote:

Shahter wrote:

some nice "doctors" you have there. those i know are all on the opposite side of this argument, regardless of their take on religion - no fucking way. now, most would be willing to give a professional opinion to the court on the matter, yes - like recovery statistics and their take on the situation re the patients condition, pain management and all that stuff. but when asked if they would themselves actually end, or order others to end, a human life they always answer with a "hell, no". why? - precisely because they know a lot more about human life than any of us, or rather they know how presious little our modern science have discovered about it for anybody to claim to know when it would be okay to "put somebody out of his misery".

Human life isn't precious. It isn't something to be saved at all costs. Its up to each individual what they do with their life and that includes euthanasia.

absolutely. you are perfectly welcome to kill yourself. in fact, i insist.
now, what do we do with people who cannot express their wishes? what about those who are pumped full of morphipne 24/7 - should we consider their words? that is the question we've been discussing here. would you decide for somebody else? who should decide? how do we sort out the frauds and abusers? it's not a matter of the cost of euthanasia at all, dipshit.

That's exactly why a legal framework has to be designed for this...  to prevent fraud.  Euthanasia will occur with or without legalization -- the question is how do we prevent fraud...  and legalization with the proper framework is the answer.

Shahter wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

That's like assuming that all good doctors were against abortion before it was legal.

i'm not assuming anything. i'm stating an opinion which i based on my personal experience with doctors, and i have plenty, unfortunately. besides, i don't think there were ever a time when medical professionals were as overwhelmingly on one side of abortion issue as they have been on euthanasia.

Turquoise wrote:

That's exactly why a legal framework has to be designed for this...  to prevent fraud.  Euthanasia will occur with or without legalization -- the question is how do we prevent fraud...  and legalization with the proper framework is the answer.

no question here. that's what i started this discussion with ffs. the problem is, imo, that developing that legislation and following it up is going to be extremely difficult - too many ambigious and exploitable stuff. when i see something like that working i may just change my opinion, but as of now i'm just not sure.

I have my doubts about it too but like Turquoise mentioned a legal system regulating it is the answer.