Pope's Visit to UK.

2010-09-16 11:12:25

#1

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6754

well here's a veritable hotbed of shit-talking and constant news-topics...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11325699

A senior papal aide has come under pressure to apologise after saying arriving at Heathrow airport was like landing in a "Third World" country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11313328

Pope Benedict has said he wants to "extend the hand of friendship" to the whole of the UK during his visit. He also urged the UK to resist "more aggressive forms of secularism" after being welcomed by the Queen at Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515

A speech in which the Pope appeared to associate atheism with the Nazis has prompted criticism from humanist organisations.

thoughts? personally i am opposed to a state-sponsored visit/welcome of any head of a religious insitution. the pope included.

he's kicking up an absolute shit-storm here in the united kingdom, along with his aides. so many terrible statements.

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2010-09-16 11:15:01

#2

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One head of religion welcoming another head of religion.

2010-09-16 11:16:05

#3

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6754

if you seriously consider the queen a 'real' head of a religion then ive got a little bit of news for you...

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2010-09-16 11:16:51

#4

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6933

To be fair, unless you're at Terminal 5, Heathrow Airport is like a third world airport...

But fuck the Pope. I guess he feels like given how unpopular his visit is he has to be an asshole back.

2010-09-16 11:18:17

#5

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7000

pope is a muslim

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2010-09-16 11:18:51

#6

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5642|London, England

Cybargs wrote:
pope is a muslim

Queen Elizabeth is a muslim

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-09-16 11:19:12

#7

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6754

he seems to just be utterly out of touch with the world outside the vatican.

warning against "aggressive secularism" as if it's breeding a europe full of amoral nazi criminals...

i mean, whatever happens it's got be better than the attempt the catholic church made during the middle-ages, right?

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2010-09-16 11:19:25

#8

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5543|foggy bottom

what about the dalai lama

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2010-09-16 11:19:39

#9

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5642|London, England

eleven bravo wrote:
what about the dalai lama

He's a muslim too.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-09-16 11:20:20

#10

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6754

eleven bravo wrote:
what about the dalai lama

that's a good question.

buddhism really is an exception to the rule. probably because of the way their structure and theology is different to other world religions.

and im pretty sure he was welcomed as a symbol against chinese occupation... a political visit, rather than a spiritual one.

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2010-09-16 11:21:34

#11

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5642|London, England

eleven bravo wrote:
what about the dalai lama

He can chill with Paul and Ringo.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-09-16 11:22:01

#12

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5543|foggy bottom

Uzique wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
what about the dalai lama
that's a good question.

buddhism really is an exception to the rule. probably because of the way their structure and theology is different to other world religions.

and im pretty sure he was welcomed as a symbol against chinese occupation... a political visit, rather than a spiritual one.

good answer.

Last edited by eleven bravo (2010-09-16 11:22:31)

Tu Stultus Es

2010-09-16 11:22:37

#13

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6754

JohnG@lt wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
what about the dalai lama
He can chill with Paul and Ringo.

how would the pope be welcomed if he visited the states?

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2010-09-16 11:23:35

#14

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7000

Uzique wrote:
he seems to just be utterly out of touch with the world outside the vatican.

warning against "aggressive secularism" as if it's breeding a europe full of amoral nazi criminals...

i mean, whatever happens it's got be better than the attempt the catholic church made during the middle-ages, right?

wasnt the pope in the hitler youth before?

2010-09-16 11:24:02

#15

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6933

Here's the letter criticising the visit of the Pope by Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Terry Pratchett, Steven Fry among others. Probably already posted, but for those who missed it it's an interesting piece.

2010-09-16 11:24:49

#16

eleven bravo: Member; +1,399|5543|foggy bottom

Uzique wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
what about the dalai lama
He can chill with Paul and Ringo.
how would the pope be welcomed if he visited the states?

lot of catholics here

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2010-09-16 11:24:52

#17

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6754

suggestions of it... but his main history is in catholic academia/scholasticism/theology... as a liberal catholic, mind you

except now he's hyper conservative and is opposed to all the reformations of the second vatican council. nobody knows why.

hence all the ridiculous statements like "condoms increase the risk of AIDS" and "atheism is akin to nazism"

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2010-09-16 11:26:17

#18

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6754

eleven bravo wrote:
Uzique wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:

He can chill with Paul and Ringo.
how would the pope be welcomed if he visited the states?
lot of catholics here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFxo6_U … eature=fvw

i love how that video has this huge triumphant 'victory' or 'freedom' vibe to it, even though 90% of it is focussing on the police/security control arranged to welcome the leader of an oppressive church... wonderful. im glad england still has its vocally skeptic intellectuals.

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2010-09-16 11:26:21

#19

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5642|London, England

Uzique wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
what about the dalai lama
He can chill with Paul and Ringo.
how would the pope be welcomed if he visited the states?

Can I drive the popemobile? If so, I don't care if he shits on the white house lawn

In all honesty, there's a lot of anti-Catholic hatred spewed by the evangelicals with almost as much venom as their hatred towards Muslims, so there'd probably be some protests. The Pope is a head of state so he should be treated as such when visiting other sovereign nations. There certainly wouldn't be any uproar about our President meeting him.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-09-16 11:28:41

#20

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5642|London, England

And yes, our country has a shit-ton of Catholics. Italians, Hispanics, southern Germans, Irish, Polish etc.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2010-09-16 11:29:08

#21

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6754

the whole point of protest about the pope's 'state' (i.e. political) visit, though, is that the Vatican ISN'T a real state.

here's a quote from the link earlier from ghettoperson:

We, the undersigned, share the view that Pope Ratzinger should not be given the honour of a state visit to this country. We believe that the pope, as a citizen of Europe and the leader of a religion with many adherents in the UK, is of course free to enter and tour our country. However, as well as a religious leader, the pope is a head of state, and the state and organisation of which he is head has been responsible for:

Opposing the distribution of condoms and so increasing large families in poor countries and the spread of Aids.

Promoting segregated education.

Denying abortion to even the most vulnerable women.

Opposing equal rights for lesbians, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Failing to address the many cases of abuse of children within its own organisation.

The state of which the pope is head has also resisted signing many major human rights treaties and has formed its own treaties ("concordats") with many states which negatively affect the human rights of citizens of those states. In any case, we reject the masquerading of the Holy See as a state and the pope as a head of state as merely a convenient fiction to amplify the international influence of the Vatican.

Stephen Fry, Professor Richard Dawkins, Professor Susan Blackmore, Terry Pratchett, Philip Pullman, Ed Byrne, Baroness Blackstone, Ken Follett, Professor AC Grayling, Stewart Lee, Baroness Massey, Claire Rayner, Adele Anderson, John Austin MP, Lord Avebury, Sian Berry, Professor Simon Blackburn, Sir David Blatherwick, Sir Tom Blundell, Dr Helena Cronin, Dylan Evans, Hermione Eyre, Lord Foulkes, Professor Chris French, Natalie Haynes, Johann Hari, Jon Holmes, Lord Hughes, Robin Ince, Dr Michael Irwin, Professor Steve Jones, Sir Harold Kroto, Professor John Lee, Zoe Margolis, Jonathan Meades, Sir Jonathan Miller, Diane Munday, Maryam Namazie, David Nobbs, Professor Richard Norman, Lord O'Neill, Simon Price, Paul Rose, Martin Rowson, Michael Rubenstein, Joan Smith, Dr Harry Stopes-Roe, Professor Raymond Tallis, Lord Taverne, Peter Tatchell, Baroness Turner, Professor Lord Wedderburn of Charlton QC FBA, Ann Marie Waters, Professor Wolpert, Jane Wynne Willson

Last edited by Uzique (2010-09-16 11:29:57)

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2010-09-16 11:29:29

#22

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7000

JohnG@lt wrote:
Uzique wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:

He can chill with Paul and Ringo.
how would the pope be welcomed if he visited the states?
Can I drive the popemobile? If so, I don't care if he shits on the white house lawn

In all honesty, there's a lot of anti-Catholic hatred spewed by the evangelicals with almost as much venom as their hatred towards Muslims, so there'd probably be some protests. The Pope is a head of state so he should be treated as such when visiting other sovereign nations. There certainly wouldn't be any uproar about our President meeting him.

kennedy was a dirty catholic who was installed by the commies to overtake america.

2010-09-16 11:31:13

#23

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6689|North Carolina

ghettoperson wrote:
But fuck the Pope. I guess he feels like given how unpopular his visit is he has to be an asshole back.

Take away the space between the first two words and add a t.

2010-09-16 11:32:17

#24

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6689|North Carolina

Uzique wrote:
if you seriously consider the queen a 'real' head of a religion then ive got a little bit of news for you...

He does have a point though.

2010-09-16 11:32:31

#25

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5642|London, England

Uzique wrote:
the whole point of protest about the pope's 'state' (i.e. political) visit, though, is that the Vatican ISN'T a real state.

here's a quote from the link earlier from ghettoperson:

We, the undersigned, share the view that Pope Ratzinger should not be given the honour of a state visit to this country. We believe that the pope, as a citizen of Europe and the leader of a religion with many adherents in the UK, is of course free to enter and tour our country. However, as well as a religious leader, the pope is a head of state, and the state and organisation of which he is head has been responsible for:

Opposing the distribution of condoms and so increasing large families in poor countries and the spread of Aids.

Promoting segregated education.

Denying abortion to even the most vulnerable women.

Opposing equal rights for lesbians, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Failing to address the many cases of abuse of children within its own organisation.

The state of which the pope is head has also resisted signing many major human rights treaties and has formed its own treaties ("concordats") with many states which negatively affect the human rights of citizens of those states. In any case, we reject the masquerading of the Holy See as a state and the pope as a head of state as merely a convenient fiction to amplify the international influence of the Vatican.

Stephen Fry, Professor Richard Dawkins, Professor Susan Blackmore, Terry Pratchett, Philip Pullman, Ed Byrne, Baroness Blackstone, Ken Follett, Professor AC Grayling, Stewart Lee, Baroness Massey, Claire Rayner, Adele Anderson, John Austin MP, Lord Avebury, Sian Berry, Professor Simon Blackburn, Sir David Blatherwick, Sir Tom Blundell, Dr Helena Cronin, Dylan Evans, Hermione Eyre, Lord Foulkes, Professor Chris French, Natalie Haynes, Johann Hari, Jon Holmes, Lord Hughes, Robin Ince, Dr Michael Irwin, Professor Steve Jones, Sir Harold Kroto, Professor John Lee, Zoe Margolis, Jonathan Meades, Sir Jonathan Miller, Diane Munday, Maryam Namazie, David Nobbs, Professor Richard Norman, Lord O'Neill, Simon Price, Paul Rose, Martin Rowson, Michael Rubenstein, Joan Smith, Dr Harry Stopes-Roe, Professor Raymond Tallis, Lord Taverne, Peter Tatchell, Baroness Turner, Professor Lord Wedderburn of Charlton QC FBA, Ann Marie Waters, Professor Wolpert, Jane Wynne Willson

A bunch of raging atheists. Who cares?

This whole turning your back on people simply because you have a difference of views is childish.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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