Computer_Guy
Member
+54|6988
Hard drive, well not a hard drive. I heard you can install stuff on this and run the program and it will load in seconds. A Bf2 map will load in the blink of an eye. Its even faster than a raptor. Is it worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6815168001

I just learned about it.
sixshot
Decepticon Geek
+50|6967|Planet Seibertron ;)

Computer_Guy wrote:

Hard drive, well not a hard drive. I heard you can install stuff on this and run the program and it will load in seconds. A Bf2 map will load in the blink of an eye. Its even faster than a raptor. Is it worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6815168001

I just learned about it.
Well, if you can supply the memory for it, then I'm sure it'll be fast.  The caveat here is that the total amount as a drive will be significantly less than 90% of the hard drives out on the market (including ebay'd ones).  Even if you use leftover RAM, you probably won't be able to get a lot out of it in terms of space/capacity.  With 4 DDR slots, the most common setup will likely be 1GB to 2GB in capacity.  Getting new RAM is also out of the question.  The cost per megabyte is so much higher than conventional hard drives that you're better off RAID-0'ing two 40GB drives instead.

Rather than using something like this for game storage, it's probably a nice idea to use a 1GB setup to store Windows' page file (virtual memory).  Ironic, to say the least, that Windows would end up storing virtual memory.... in physical memory!
FriiginChomper
Member
+41|6993
i wanted to get a raptor, but idk now
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,057|7063|PNW

Expect alot of reinstalls if your power fluctuates. The battery only lasts so long.

In my opinion, a physics card and a sound card are going to be more important, unless you do alot of rendering/capture. But if you have the space and the spare RAM, go ahead. If you don't have spare RAM, bleh. The cost, even for 1GB DDR266's, is still way too high. That's alot of dough per gigabyte.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-03 01:54:01)

Janus67
Tech God
+86|6886|Ohio, USA
I am just going to concurr with the rest of the people here, saying that yes, it would be quite fast -- but it won't come without its fair share of problems.  Like others have said, that when you turn the computer off, the info is saved in the ram by a battery, so that will only last so long before the sticks get wiped.  I believe it also doesn't run on the PCI-E slots which will also hinder the bandwidth to that of a SATA1 drive (150mb/s at max anyway).  So until they come out with higher-bandwidth versions it really wouldn't be worth it.
EvilMonkeySlayer
Member
+82|6943
Just get two SATA 2 drives in RAID-1, got that setup on my machine and i'm now the first to load on a map loading.

Ditto what other people have said, you're limited by how many dimms it can use plus the possibility of the battery running out. Plus there are the costs of the dimms, it's cheaper getting hard disks.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6945
If I had the money right now:

I'd just use software deployment tools (you know, where you snapshot entire system before and after running installation, including registry and save the changes to a MSI) to create a bf2+patches+addons installation MSI, including registry changes and install that on a 8GB Ram drive...  if the battery fails like people seem to imply it would just be a 10-20 minute job to redeploy.  Loading would be sooooooo sooooo fast when you fired up BF2.  It wouldn't even be funny.  In fact, you'd probably get bored if you were on a playing as defender, just waiting for some attackers to finish loading

Only problem that I can see is I've just checked the max capacity and it's 4GB not nearly enough for BF2 + expansions + patches... you could just squeeze vanilla bf2+patches on though
EvilMonkeySlayer
Member
+82|6943

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

If I had the money right now:

I'd just use software deployment tools (you know, where you snapshot entire system before and after running installation, including registry and save the changes to a MSI) to create a bf2+patches+addons installation MSI, including registry changes and install that on a 8GB Ram drive...  if the battery fails like people seem to imply it would just be a 10-20 minute job to redeploy.  Loading would be sooooooo sooooo fast when you fired up BF2.  It wouldn't even be funny.  In fact, you'd probably get bored if you were on a playing as defender, just waiting for some attackers to finish loading

Only problem that I can see is I've just checked the max capacity and it's 4GB not nearly enough for BF2 + expansions + patches... you could just squeeze vanilla bf2+patches on though
Interesting concept.

I ghosted my install of XP after I activated it just so when I come to reinstalling I can do it a lot more quicker. (assuming i'm installing on the same hardware)

I suppose he could ghost the ram drive instead, lot quicker and less hassle than an MSI.
Janus67
Tech God
+86|6886|Ohio, USA

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

Just get two SATA 2 drives in RAID-1, got that setup on my machine and i'm now the first to load on a map loading.

Ditto what other people have said, you're limited by how many dimms it can use plus the possibility of the battery running out. Plus there are the costs of the dimms, it's cheaper getting hard disks.
I assume you mean Raid-0?
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6912|Massachusetts, USA

Computer_Guy wrote:

Hard drive, well not a hard drive. I heard you can install stuff on this and run the program and it will load in seconds. A Bf2 map will load in the blink of an eye. Its even faster than a raptor. Is it worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6815168001

I just learned about it.
If you are used to a plain old IDE 7200rpm hard drive.....start with a raptor upgrade first.... I was SHOCKED at how much faster a single raptor (relatively empty and defragmented) loaded the game after I upgraded from an old drive.  And that is not even RAID-0 which would be even faster (although not sure how much)....You can get 2 74g OEM Raptors for $140-150 each....plus the cost for the raid controler (not sure how much maybe $200) and be in it for $500 and have a ton more space and reliability.  It all depends on what you are used to and what you are upgrading from.

I have a single 74g raptor (no raid) with just my OS and BF2 on it and I am USUALLY one of the first players on the map - sometimes I get beat out by 1 or 2 guys....I used to be one of the last, so I'm happy with the simple $150 drive upgrade for sure.
slo5oh
Member
+28|6952

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

Just get two SATA 2 drives in RAID-1, got that setup on my machine and i'm now the first to load on a map loading.

Ditto what other people have said, you're limited by how many dimms it can use plus the possibility of the battery running out. Plus there are the costs of the dimms, it's cheaper getting hard disks.
evil,
I'd love to know how fast (do you have a stopwatch?)  it takes you to load a map.  I realize each map is a different size so you'd have to give the exact map and perhaps all info, such as what server, what your average ping is, etc.
The reason I ask is that I too am always (there might have been 1 time I was not) first to load into a map with my new rig.  I'm only running a single 160 gig seagate drive.  It is sata, but it's not sata II.  I think, and I've read a few places that seem to agree, harddrive acess rate is less important in loading maps than processor power and available ram.
Viper007Bond
Moderator Emeritus
+236|7097|Portland, OR, USA

Computer_Guy wrote:

Hard drive, well not a hard drive. I heard you can install stuff on this and run the program and it will load in seconds. A Bf2 map will load in the blink of an eye. Its even faster than a raptor. Is it worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6815168001

I just learned about it.
They are over-rated.

Most of them, like that one, are connected to your motherboard via a SATA cable. That's a major limiting factor and you can only get 150MB/sec. Also, 1 gig isn't enough. My BF2 folder is over 3 gigs, but I do have all of the expansions.

There was a good review I read on one where they threw 4x1gig in it and while it was semi-nice, it wasn't even close to worth the money as it wasn't that much of a performance increase.

BTW, compare the Raptor bars to the SATA 150 bar in the lower left of this image. Notice how there's not tons and tons of room for improvement.

https://images.viper007bond.com/computer/hdtach_74gb-raptor.jpg

Last edited by Viper007Bond (2006-05-03 17:54:21)

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EvilMonkeySlayer
Member
+82|6943

slo5oh wrote:

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

Just get two SATA 2 drives in RAID-1, got that setup on my machine and i'm now the first to load on a map loading.

Ditto what other people have said, you're limited by how many dimms it can use plus the possibility of the battery running out. Plus there are the costs of the dimms, it's cheaper getting hard disks.
evil,
I'd love to know how fast (do you have a stopwatch?)  it takes you to load a map.  I realize each map is a different size so you'd have to give the exact map and perhaps all info, such as what server, what your average ping is, etc.
The reason I ask is that I too am always (there might have been 1 time I was not) first to load into a map with my new rig.  I'm only running a single 160 gig seagate drive.  It is sata, but it's not sata II.  I think, and I've read a few places that seem to agree, harddrive acess rate is less important in loading maps than processor power and available ram.
My Logitech G15 keyboard has a stopwatch program, i'll use that. Any particular maps you want me to load?
And from what point do you want me to load the map and start timing it (as well as what map)?

For example, I could create a local multiplayer game, that way nothing is reliant on external factors.

EDIT: My hardware specs;

Athlon 64 X2 4800+
Lanparty UT NF4 SLI-D
2x 1GB OCZ Gold RAM (PC-4000)
2x Maxtor 6V160E0 160GB SATA300 7200rpm 8MB Cache (the two drives in RAID-1)
Sapphire Radeon 512MB X1900XTX (I originally had a BFG 512MB GeForce 7900GTX OC, but it was faulty)

Last edited by EvilMonkeySlayer (2006-05-04 00:21:30)

Tunacommy
Member
+56|6912|Massachusetts, USA

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

slo5oh wrote:

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

Just get two SATA 2 drives in RAID-1, got that setup on my machine and i'm now the first to load on a map loading.

Ditto what other people have said, you're limited by how many dimms it can use plus the possibility of the battery running out. Plus there are the costs of the dimms, it's cheaper getting hard disks.
evil,
I'd love to know how fast (do you have a stopwatch?)  it takes you to load a map.  I realize each map is a different size so you'd have to give the exact map and perhaps all info, such as what server, what your average ping is, etc.
The reason I ask is that I too am always (there might have been 1 time I was not) first to load into a map with my new rig.  I'm only running a single 160 gig seagate drive.  It is sata, but it's not sata II.  I think, and I've read a few places that seem to agree, harddrive acess rate is less important in loading maps than processor power and available ram.
My Logitech G15 keyboard has a stopwatch program, i'll use that. Any particular maps you want me to load?
And from what point do you want me to load the map and start timing it (as well as what map)?

For example, I could create a local multiplayer game, that way nothing is reliant on external factors.

EDIT: My hardware specs;

Athlon 64 X2 4800+
Lanparty UT NF4 SLI-D
2x 1GB OCZ Gold RAM (PC-4000)
2x Maxtor 6V160E0 160GB SATA300 7200rpm 8MB Cache (the two drives in RAID-1)
Sapphire Radeon 512MB X1900XTX (I originally had a BFG 512MB GeForce 7900GTX OC, but it was faulty)
Evil - have you had to disable one of the cores on that processor to play BF2?  I have the same cpu, and have had to do that to get reliability.....but i know some people have not had to with x2....
EvilMonkeySlayer
Member
+82|6943

Tunacommy wrote:

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

slo5oh wrote:


evil,
I'd love to know how fast (do you have a stopwatch?)  it takes you to load a map.  I realize each map is a different size so you'd have to give the exact map and perhaps all info, such as what server, what your average ping is, etc.
The reason I ask is that I too am always (there might have been 1 time I was not) first to load into a map with my new rig.  I'm only running a single 160 gig seagate drive.  It is sata, but it's not sata II.  I think, and I've read a few places that seem to agree, harddrive acess rate is less important in loading maps than processor power and available ram.
My Logitech G15 keyboard has a stopwatch program, i'll use that. Any particular maps you want me to load?
And from what point do you want me to load the map and start timing it (as well as what map)?

For example, I could create a local multiplayer game, that way nothing is reliant on external factors.

EDIT: My hardware specs;

Athlon 64 X2 4800+
Lanparty UT NF4 SLI-D
2x 1GB OCZ Gold RAM (PC-4000)
2x Maxtor 6V160E0 160GB SATA300 7200rpm 8MB Cache (the two drives in RAID-1)
Sapphire Radeon 512MB X1900XTX (I originally had a BFG 512MB GeForce 7900GTX OC, but it was faulty)
Evil - have you had to disable one of the cores on that processor to play BF2?  I have the same cpu, and have had to do that to get reliability.....but i know some people have not had to with x2....
Unfortunately I haven't managed to get much playing time with BF2 as well as other games because of graphics card problems.

However, I have managed to get a few hours worth of BF2 play in and I occasionally got dropouts where without warning i'll be dropped out back to the main menu in BF2 with a connection error of some sort.
I'm going to apply the MS dual core patch when I finish reinstalling everything.

I've not had the game itself crash at all, just a few odd sudden dropouts.
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6912|Massachusetts, USA
Exactly what I was experiencing.  I got the hit fix from AMD....and have played about 5 hours since without any problems....but I still find myself holding my breath....another 5 hours and I will be convinced the problems is solved.  And I do think it works better on both cores instead of just one - although I have seen alot of people claim otherwise - I have been experimenting going from 2 to 1 and it just seems better with both.

Last edited by Tunacommy (2006-05-05 07:43:43)

slo5oh
Member
+28|6952

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

slo5oh wrote:

EvilMonkeySlayer wrote:

Just get two SATA 2 drives in RAID-1, got that setup on my machine and i'm now the first to load on a map loading.

Ditto what other people have said, you're limited by how many dimms it can use plus the possibility of the battery running out. Plus there are the costs of the dimms, it's cheaper getting hard disks.
evil,
I'd love to know how fast (do you have a stopwatch?)  it takes you to load a map.  I realize each map is a different size so you'd have to give the exact map and perhaps all info, such as what server, what your average ping is, etc.
The reason I ask is that I too am always (there might have been 1 time I was not) first to load into a map with my new rig.  I'm only running a single 160 gig seagate drive.  It is sata, but it's not sata II.  I think, and I've read a few places that seem to agree, harddrive acess rate is less important in loading maps than processor power and available ram.
My Logitech G15 keyboard has a stopwatch program, i'll use that. Any particular maps you want me to load?
And from what point do you want me to load the map and start timing it (as well as what map)?

For example, I could create a local multiplayer game, that way nothing is reliant on external factors.

EDIT: My hardware specs;

Athlon 64 X2 4800+
Lanparty UT NF4 SLI-D
2x 1GB OCZ Gold RAM (PC-4000)
2x Maxtor 6V160E0 160GB SATA300 7200rpm 8MB Cache (the two drives in RAID-1)
Sapphire Radeon 512MB X1900XTX (I originally had a BFG 512MB GeForce 7900GTX OC, but it was faulty)
Don't worry about being super "test lab".  Just whatever server you decide on playing that day, once you're in and playing the first time the map is reloaded click your stopwatch the moment the bar the bottom shows up.   Note what server you're on, what map you were on, and what map loaded.  I'd say that's the best bet.  I play a lot of karkand only servers so reloading the map should always be the same amount of time (same for any "24/7" server).  I think I'll just add you into my "leader list" and try jumping into one of your games with you and so long as we're on the same team it should be easy to see who gets in first (unless we both get in at the same time).

P.S. I see you built a raid 1.  Very smart.  I try to tell all the raid 0 guys they're doubling their failre rate, but they just don't listen. 
G.I.JOE¤MFA¤
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+3|7021|Wherever Uncle Sams Needs Me.

Tunacommy wrote:

Evil - have you had to disable one of the cores on that processor to play BF2?  I have the same cpu, and have had to do that to get reliability.....but i know some people have not had to with x2....
i have an fx-60 and i didnt have to disable one of the cores to play BF2

but i have heard others having problems with the dual cores and BF2

back on topic - ill agree with the raptor guys - get a raptor and ull fine...get 2 and go raid 0 for even more speed

atm i have 1 36 gig raptor but plan on getting another and going raid 0 - as soon as the bx gets the raptors back in stock o.0

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