Oh i know about the past,here was the same but come on what year are we on again?Uzique wrote:
there's an old common/latin law concept called 'felo de se' that literally means 'making a felon of oneself'. all suicide fell under that category.Ticia wrote:
You shitting me.JohnG@lt wrote:
America.
in england the suicide act 1960-something made suicide a non-legal issue but specifically made assisted suicide a crime.
Poll
Euthanasia - Make it legal everywhere?
| Yes | 60% | 60% - 23 | ||||
| No | 23% | 23% - 9 | ||||
| Not sure | 15% | 15% - 6 | ||||
| Total: 38 | ||||||
Ticia wrote:
You shitting me.JohnG@lt wrote:
America.Ticia wrote:
Are there places where suicide is still a crime though? Assisted suicide is not the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_le … ted_StatesHistorically, various states listed the act as a felony, but all were reluctant to enforce it. By 1963, six states still considered attempted suicide a crime (North and South Dakota, Washington, New Jersey, Nevada, and Oklahoma, which repealed its law in 1976). By the early 1990s only two US states still listed suicide as a crime, and these have since removed that classification. In some U.S. states, suicide is still considered an unwritten "common law crime," as stated in Blackstone's Commentaries. (So held the Virginia Supreme Court in Wackwitz v. Roy in 1992.) As a common law crime, suicide can bar recovery for the family of the suicidal person in a lawsuit unless the suicidal person can be proven to have been "of unsound mind." That is, the suicide must be proven to have been an involuntary, not voluntary, act of the victim in order for the family to be awarded money damages by the court. This can occur when the family of the deceased sues the caregiver (perhaps a jail or hospital) for negligence in failing to provide appropriate care.[6] Some legal scholars look at the issue as one of personal liberty. According to Nadine Strossen, former President of the ACLU, "The idea of government making determinations about how you end your life, forcing you...could be considered cruel and unusual punishment in certain circumstances, and Justice Stevens in a very interesting opinion in a right-to-die [case] raised the analogy."[7]
Physician-assisted suicide for the terminally ill is legal in the state of Oregon under the Oregon Death with Dignity Act.
Physician-assisted suicide became legal in Washington state in 2009 when a law modeled after the Oregon act, the Washington Death with Dignity Act was passed. A patient must be diagnosed as having less than six months to live, be of sound mind, make a request orally and in writing, have it approved by two different doctors, then wait 15 days and make the request again. A doctor can prescribe a lethal dose, but cannot administer it.[8]
In many jurisdictions medical facilities are empowered or required to commit anyone whom they believe to be suicidal for evaluation and treatment. See Code 5150 for example.
So I guess it's technically not a felony anymore but they can still charge you in other ways.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well, depending on the circumstances, that can happen in other countries too.Macbeth wrote:
If you survive you can get institutionalized.Ticia wrote:
You shitting me.JohnG@lt wrote:
America.
scuze me but its illegal in aussie land to show porn with women with small titsTicia wrote:
Oh i know about the past,here was the same but come on what year are we on again?Uzique wrote:
there's an old common/latin law concept called 'felo de se' that literally means 'making a felon of oneself'. all suicide fell under that category.Ticia wrote:
You shitting me.
in england the suicide act 1960-something made suicide a non-legal issue but specifically made assisted suicide a crime.
This is true... every country has its weird quirks.11 Bravo wrote:
scuze me but its illegal in aussie land to show porn with women with small titsTicia wrote:
Oh i know about the past,here was the same but come on what year are we on again?Uzique wrote:
there's an old common/latin law concept called 'felo de se' that literally means 'making a felon of oneself'. all suicide fell under that category.
in england the suicide act 1960-something made suicide a non-legal issue but specifically made assisted suicide a crime.
I think it is already legal in the Netherlands. However only in extreme cases is it actually performed.
Not yet... but anyway, moving on.11 Bravo wrote:
scuze me but its illegal in aussie land to show porn with women with small titsTicia wrote:
Oh i know about the past,here was the same but come on what year are we on again?Uzique wrote:
there's an old common/latin law concept called 'felo de se' that literally means 'making a felon of oneself'. all suicide fell under that category.
in england the suicide act 1960-something made suicide a non-legal issue but specifically made assisted suicide a crime.
it is impossible to define "reasonable decision" and "proper state of mind". this is the only point i see against making euthanasia legal everywhere, but i don't think this issue is going to be solved anytime soon. i heard a suggestion to maybe devise some sorta legislation and make it obligatory to go through a court with every case like that but... i dunno, sounds impractical and open for abuse.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Yes, If someone is capable of making a reasonable decision in a proper state of mind
voted "not sure".
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
no it is not legally 'impossible' to define "proper states of mind". they are considered in every single case where the defense of insanity, diminished responsibility or durress are relevant. proper medical witnesses can be called to attest to this.Shahter wrote:
it is impossible to define "reasonable decision" and "proper state of mind". this is the only point i see against making euthanasia legal everywhere, but i don't think this issue is going to be solved anytime soon. i heard a suggestion to maybe devise some sorta legislation and make it obligatory to go through a court with every case like that but... i dunno, sounds impractical and open for abuse.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Yes, If someone is capable of making a reasonable decision in a proper state of mind
voted "not sure".
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if you believe in religion you are not in the proper state of mind imo. i kind of see shatlers point. ya i know what you are saying zeek but thats still kind of open for interpretation.
Yes.
well it's functional, if anything. if there was no legal definition of 'insanity' or [non] sanity then everyone would plead some mental disorder or form of insanity as a defense to murder and related crimes. defenses of diminished responsibility/insanity can only be used normally for the most serious offences, i.e. in turning a murder charge into a manslaughter one.
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I've gotta say, if I really wanted to kill myself - and I guess it'd have to be for medical reasons, because if you were depressed you're not going to be thinking logically - going to sleep in a comfortable hospital bed and not waking up sounds pretty good.Macbeth wrote:
I heard that doesn't feel too good and some people are medically unable to do that.11 Bravo wrote:
just swallow a bunch of sleeping pills and chase with a bottle of vodka. fuck sake.
i want to be stepped on, by an elephant, while making love.ghettoperson wrote:
I've gotta say, if I really wanted to kill myself - and I guess it'd have to be for medical reasons, because if you were depressed you're not going to be thinking logically - going to sleep in a comfortable hospital bed and not waking up sounds pretty good.
i want to drop a shitload of heroin straight into the mother-vein when im like 75 and have nothing left to see/live for, anyway
little miss sunshine comes to mind
that shit is spot on
little miss sunshine comes to mind
that shit is spot on
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If it wasn't for the fact I'd met your wife I'd make a joke here...burnzz wrote:
i want to be stepped on, by an elephant, while making love.ghettoperson wrote:
I've gotta say, if I really wanted to kill myself - and I guess it'd have to be for medical reasons, because if you were depressed you're not going to be thinking logically - going to sleep in a comfortable hospital bed and not waking up sounds pretty good.
ghetto you met burnzz's wife? the fuck?
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And Burnzz. We had a beer together in Vegas.
thanks for inviting me, ya fucking euthanasia candidates
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http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=134039Uzique wrote:
thanks for inviting me, ya fucking euthanasia candidates
you had as much opportunity as anyone to come. i would have shown you parts of Vegas that tourists don't get to see . . .
your bedroom in the emperor suite?
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From WikiRDMC wrote:
I think it is already legal in the Netherlands. However only in extreme cases is it actually performed.
Euthanasia is still a criminal offence but the law codified a twenty-year old convention of not prosecuting doctors who have committed euthanasia in specific circumstances.
...when each of the following conditions is fulfilled:
the patient's suffering is unbearable with no prospect of improvement
the patient's request for euthanasia must be voluntary and persist over time (the request cannot be granted when under the influence of others, psychological illness or drugs)
the patient must be fully aware of his/her condition, prospects and options
there must be consultation with at least one other independent doctor who needs to confirm the conditions mentioned above
the death must be carried out in a medically appropriate fashion by the doctor or patient, in which case the doctor must be present
the patient is at least 12 years old (patients between 12 and 16 years of age require the consent of their parents)
this is true. but then again, you listen to lawyers - anything seems possible to define... when they need it, and, subsequently, impossible when they don't.Uzique wrote:
no it is not legally 'impossible' to define "proper states of mind". they are considered in every single case where the defense of insanity, diminished responsibility or durress are relevant. proper medical witnesses can be called to attest to this.
this, however, is debatable. the whole "insanity"-thing is a compromise, an attempt to solve the unsolvable, to find somekinda middle-grownd and, as always with such things, extremely prone to abuse. that's what i was talking about.Uzique wrote:
well it's functional, if anything.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
So who decides for a senile person?
Fuck Israel