what about china? a wealthy, america-owning shithole?Cybargs wrote:
Theres a lot of goverment regulation in South Africa but it's still a shithole. Italy is a shithole too, nazi germany was a shithole, soviet russia was a shithole. somalia was a shithole to begin with.Reciprocity wrote:
you insist that taxes and regulations destroy commerce. well, there are no taxes or regulations in somalia so it must be a haven for competative, cut-throat private enterprise- the kind of enterprise that is brought out by the best of free and unfettered humanity.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, keep using somalia as an example like an idiot.
north korea is a big shithole.
Wait Nazi Germany wasn't a shithole.Reciprocity wrote:
what about china? a wealthy, america-owning shithole?Cybargs wrote:
Theres a lot of goverment regulation in South Africa but it's still a shithole. Italy is a shithole too, nazi germany was a shithole, soviet russia was a shithole. somalia was a shithole to begin with.Reciprocity wrote:
you insist that taxes and regulations destroy commerce. well, there are no taxes or regulations in somalia so it must be a haven for competative, cut-throat private enterprise- the kind of enterprise that is brought out by the best of free and unfettered humanity.
north korea is a big shithole.
Lets hope you learn something.JohnG@lt wrote:
Class in the morning, off to bed, ta!
Fuck Israel
mac: shithole if you werent aryan. i missed nk as well.Reciprocity wrote:
what about china? a wealthy, america-owning shithole?Cybargs wrote:
Theres a lot of goverment regulation in South Africa but it's still a shithole. Italy is a shithole too, nazi germany was a shithole, soviet russia was a shithole. somalia was a shithole to begin with.Reciprocity wrote:
you insist that taxes and regulations destroy commerce. well, there are no taxes or regulations in somalia so it must be a haven for competative, cut-throat private enterprise- the kind of enterprise that is brought out by the best of free and unfettered humanity.
north korea is a big shithole.
lol China has almost no gov regulations when it comes to business. went from extreme poverty to second largest economy in the world. still got lots of environmental problems to deal with though tbh...
china keeps its currency undervalued to remain competative. that's some pretty handy government control.
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but overall on business policy... pretty unregulated (especially after they signed onto the WTO).Reciprocity wrote:
china keeps its currency undervalued to remain competative. that's some pretty handy government control.
China is going to let the yuan float sooner or later.
No body is stopping you from paying more taxes. You're welcome to pay more if that'll make you feel better. I prefer to pay less.
I'll spend my money better than it going through the Washington spin-cycle and then only seeing 43% of it back in actual services.
There are only two groups of people who think that everything is going dandy right now... student's still in school getting nearly every dollar they got from mommy and daddy or someone who works for the government in their cushy-lifetime-pentioned job.
Everyone else is scared shitless right now because we don't know what the hell this congress is going to do before the next is seated on the 20th of January. Even if the Republicans take one or both houses we still got the Lame Crazy Duck session to survive. God knows what more damage the Democrats will do to this nation.
And don't get me wrong the Republicans where not Angels, but thankfully most of the Ruling Class ones were voted out of office in 2006 and 2008. This breed we have now and will have in November are more fiscally responsible.
And for the argument that Obama has to spend $3 trillion to the recession wouldn't had turned into a depression...I ask what do we have to show for it all? If the government didn't do all these bailouts and let the businesses that made stupid decisions fail and go into bankrupcy and then get broken apart and purchased by other investors - that's what should had happened (i.e. AIG, GM, Chryster, etc...).
All these stupid short-sighted simulus programs like Cash-for-clunkers and the Housing Tax Credit - all they did was a one-time blip...nothing sustainable.
Want to get out of the recession? Do what we did in the pass and lower taxes for everyone while at the same time controlling spending.
If some economists are right we could start seeing interest rates increase by mid-2011...and increased interest rates because of our ballooning debt is not something we need in a stagnant economy. Additionally higher interest rates mean that its costs more to service the nearly $14 trillion debt.
Wow...that felt good to do a rant like that.
I'll spend my money better than it going through the Washington spin-cycle and then only seeing 43% of it back in actual services.
There are only two groups of people who think that everything is going dandy right now... student's still in school getting nearly every dollar they got from mommy and daddy or someone who works for the government in their cushy-lifetime-pentioned job.
Everyone else is scared shitless right now because we don't know what the hell this congress is going to do before the next is seated on the 20th of January. Even if the Republicans take one or both houses we still got the Lame Crazy Duck session to survive. God knows what more damage the Democrats will do to this nation.
And don't get me wrong the Republicans where not Angels, but thankfully most of the Ruling Class ones were voted out of office in 2006 and 2008. This breed we have now and will have in November are more fiscally responsible.
And for the argument that Obama has to spend $3 trillion to the recession wouldn't had turned into a depression...I ask what do we have to show for it all? If the government didn't do all these bailouts and let the businesses that made stupid decisions fail and go into bankrupcy and then get broken apart and purchased by other investors - that's what should had happened (i.e. AIG, GM, Chryster, etc...).
All these stupid short-sighted simulus programs like Cash-for-clunkers and the Housing Tax Credit - all they did was a one-time blip...nothing sustainable.
Want to get out of the recession? Do what we did in the pass and lower taxes for everyone while at the same time controlling spending.
If some economists are right we could start seeing interest rates increase by mid-2011...and increased interest rates because of our ballooning debt is not something we need in a stagnant economy. Additionally higher interest rates mean that its costs more to service the nearly $14 trillion debt.
Wow...that felt good to do a rant like that.
And that's only Federal. Don't forget State and Local rates, which aren't included in that graph.JohnG@lt wrote:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … ry.svg.pngMacbeth wrote:
Overseas to where? In terms of taxes and other burdens you have to pay the U.S. is one of the lowest i the world ljaralsflsaflksdfkhskldfsdJohnG@lt wrote:
Frankly, if I was running a business today I would be looking for any way that I could to escape overseas.
THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING
2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world baby.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
You should be aware Harmor that government spending since the financial crisis is mostly a bipartisan venture, that the bailout was a bipartisan venture ... and that you wouldn't have a historic high debt if it wasn't for two major campaigns in the middle east ...
But of course you are right, the republicans will fix all this when they control both houses ... ... the same republicans that now try to block every move made by Obama and the democrats just because they aren't republicans ... your politicians are rightout fucking up your country for their own personal vendettas against eachother, that goes for both republicans and democrats ...
And tbh ... when interest rates starts going up that will be a sure sign of growth ...
But of course you are right, the republicans will fix all this when they control both houses ... ... the same republicans that now try to block every move made by Obama and the democrats just because they aren't republicans ... your politicians are rightout fucking up your country for their own personal vendettas against eachother, that goes for both republicans and democrats ...
And tbh ... when interest rates starts going up that will be a sure sign of growth ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
You're talking about anarchy. I have never stated that what I want is anarchy. So... keep reaching with the hyperbole.Reciprocity wrote:
you insist that taxes and regulations destroy commerce. well, there are no taxes or regulations in somalia so it must be a haven for competative, cut-throat private enterprise- the kind of enterprise that is brought out by the best of free and unfettered humanity.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, keep using somalia as an example like an idiot.Reciprocity wrote:
of course regulation is the problem. look at how well somalia is doing.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I live in the state with the highest income, sales and property taxes. Trust me, I knowFEOS wrote:
And that's only Federal. Don't forget State and Local rates, which aren't included in that graph.JohnG@lt wrote:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … ry.svg.pngMacbeth wrote:
Overseas to where? In terms of taxes and other burdens you have to pay the U.S. is one of the lowest i the world ljaralsflsaflksdfkhskldfsd
THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING
2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world baby.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Higher interest rates may increase yield but reduce bond prices. Wouldn't that encourage people to buy our debt if it was cheaper and yielded more, followed by lower interest rates?Harmor wrote:
If some economists are right we could start seeing interest rates increase by mid-2011...and increased interest rates because of our ballooning debt is not something we need in a stagnant economy. Additionally higher interest rates mean that its costs more to service the nearly $14 trillion debt.
Wow...that felt good to do a rant like that.
I doubt the Fed will raise interest rates. The economy doesn't look sustainable without government stimulus. Interest rates are at 0-25 basis points I believe. The only option is to print more money.
Harmor this is much more serious than the average recession we have had here and there. Lowering taxes and cutting government spending a bit while throwing out the democrats won't "fix" the economy, though it certainly is a step in the right direction. The economy needs to contract from mal-investment, as well as consumer spending as it is fairly unrealistic.
Bush tried to "fix" the economy too, though not quite at the same scale. This is not a job for government to fix.
You're confusing the Ruling class Republicans and the Conservative Republicans; big difference.Varegg wrote:
You should be aware Harmor that government spending since the financial crisis is mostly a bipartisan venture, that the bailout was a bipartisan venture ... and that you wouldn't have a historic high debt if it wasn't for two major campaigns in the middle east ...
But of course you are right, the republicans will fix all this when they control both houses ... ... the same republicans that now try to block every move made by Obama and the democrats just because they aren't republicans ... your politicians are rightout fucking up your country for their own personal vendettas against eachother, that goes for both republicans and democrats ...
And tbh ... when interest rates starts going up that will be a sure sign of growth ...
Example: The Ruling Class Republican was defeated in Alaska by Conservative Republican. That's the types that will fix this.
Obama and the Democrat-run Congress have run up more public-held debt in 19 months than the first 40 presidential administrations combined. I point out the party running Congress to show the lack of bipartisanship, as attempts to stem spending have gotten legislation rammed down the public's collective throat.Varegg wrote:
You should be aware Harmor that government spending since the financial crisis is mostly a bipartisan venture, that the bailout was a bipartisan venture ... and that you wouldn't have a historic high debt if it wasn't for two major campaigns in the middle east ...
But of course you are right, the republicans will fix all this when they control both houses ... ... the same republicans that now try to block every move made by Obama and the democrats just because they aren't republicans ... your politicians are rightout fucking up your country for their own personal vendettas against eachother, that goes for both republicans and democrats ...
And tbh ... when interest rates starts going up that will be a sure sign of growth ...
The seven years of the Iraq War cost less than the second "stimulus" package (one piece of Obama legislation). Additionally, there were far bigger ticket items in the federal budget than those pesky wars:
Saying the historic high debt is due to two major campaigns in the middle east is a fallacy. The historic high debt we have right now is due to historic government spending over the past 19 months.According to an analysis by the American Thinker's Randall Hoven, the cost of the Iraq war from 2003-2008 -- when Bush was in office -- was $20 billion less than the cost of education spending and less than a quarter of the cost of Medicare spending during that same period.
Not that the previous administration wasn't spending like a drunken sailor...but this one is spending like a meth-addled sailor hanging out with Paris Hilton.
In just the last four months (May through August), according to the CBO, the Obama administration has run cumulative deficits of $464 billion, more than the $458 billion deficit the Bush administration ran through the entirety of fiscal 2008.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Agreed FEOS. Thanks for the cited sources (I'll use those).
Need I remind everyone that every Republican voted against Obamacare. That one piece of legislation will be the costliest piece of anything they have passed so far.
Now can anyone make a case why we should raise taxes now? With the poverty rate the highest is has ever been...with the unemployment rate at 9.6%...with the real unemployment rate above 17%...with little to no prospect for the youngest workers?
Yeah, I thought so.
As for those wanting to only raise taxes on the rich...when was the last time you got a job from a poor person?
Need I remind everyone that every Republican voted against Obamacare. That one piece of legislation will be the costliest piece of anything they have passed so far.
Now can anyone make a case why we should raise taxes now? With the poverty rate the highest is has ever been...with the unemployment rate at 9.6%...with the real unemployment rate above 17%...with little to no prospect for the youngest workers?
Yeah, I thought so.
As for those wanting to only raise taxes on the rich...when was the last time you got a job from a poor person?
About the point of all this being bipartisan I would like to remind everyone that RINO Republicans like Mike Castle R-DE (who I hope looses tomorrow in his primary to a Tea Party nominee), is the reason the Democrats can get stuff through:
Its these type of Republicans that go along with the Democrats to be "reasonable" and allow the Democrats to say something is bypartisian when clearly its against Conservative principles. I hope he throwns out of office this year...the way to do it is by beating them in their respective Primaries NOT running a 3rd party.
- He was just one of two Republicans to vote for the $26 billion Edujobs/BigGovJobs bailout a few weeks ago
- He supported the TARP bailout that benefited many of his political donors
- Co-founder of the George Soros-tied Republican Main Street Partnership (pressured the House GOP majority to cave in to enviros on the ANWR drilling ban)
- The Republican Main Street Partnership PAC supports ACORN-friendly, Big Labor-backing, tax-and-spend, abortion radicals in GOP clothing like Dede Scozzafava.
Its these type of Republicans that go along with the Democrats to be "reasonable" and allow the Democrats to say something is bypartisian when clearly its against Conservative principles. I hope he throwns out of office this year...the way to do it is by beating them in their respective Primaries NOT running a 3rd party.
lol, and what exactly do you think the republican will be able to do once they have congress? Shut down the government? Go for it.
and O'Donnell is weak conservative canditate in a democrat heavy state. She can't win if she's nominated. And she's a palin-caliber nitwit who lacks that special conservative fuck-appeal.
and O'Donnell is weak conservative canditate in a democrat heavy state. She can't win if she's nominated. And she's a palin-caliber nitwit who lacks that special conservative fuck-appeal.
You live in Oregon...probably explains your viewpoint. So are you a student or a government employee?
Now now...no need to devolve into that kind of stuff. Unless there was a point there, it's flamebaiting.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
It's not a bad idea, actually. It might be somewhat expensive, but Norway seems pretty awesome.JohnG@lt wrote:
Move to Europe. You can take your pick of slow growth countries who value stability more than wealth generation.Reciprocity wrote:
or we should reconsider what a good economy should be. how about stength and stability? a few posts back I mentioned the next bubble coming along; that wasn't a joke. I'd rather see slow growth into something tenable and long lasting than some quick recovery based on more hype and a pack jackals making their commission.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, we should stay in a permanent recession because people are too stupid to care for their finances
South Korea is heavily regulated, and it's rapidly becoming one of the better countries in East Asia to live in.Cybargs wrote:
Theres a lot of goverment regulation in South Africa but it's still a shithole. Italy is a shithole too, nazi germany was a shithole, soviet russia was a shithole. somalia was a shithole to begin with.Reciprocity wrote:
you insist that taxes and regulations destroy commerce. well, there are no taxes or regulations in somalia so it must be a haven for competative, cut-throat private enterprise- the kind of enterprise that is brought out by the best of free and unfettered humanity.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, keep using somalia as an example like an idiot.
north korea is a big shithole.
How much time have you spent in any of these countries you lavish praise on, Turq?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I'm working on it... lol... Although Canada is first on my list.FEOS wrote:
How much time have you spent in any of these countries you lavish praise on, Turq?
I would recommend holding off on all the high praise until you've spent some time in them, otherwise you're just parroting what someone else said and not speaking from any kind of experience. Hell...have you spent any time outside of the US at all?Turquoise wrote:
I'm working on it... lol... Although Canada is first on my list.FEOS wrote:
How much time have you spent in any of these countries you lavish praise on, Turq?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
neither. I'm a privately employed homeowner. Go make another asssumption.Harmor wrote:
You live in Oregon...probably explains your viewpoint. So are you a student or a government employee?