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jaydevil2003 wrote:

Ive gotta beg to differ with you thepilot91.  Crouch does have its uses.  but, prone is just as much a part of combat.  look at any war video, hollywood or real life and you see men lying down prone behind cover. (Assult troops with m16s, m60s and snipers alike) Not that I think that BF should be exactly like RL combat.  But, I think that bf2 handled the balance half decent with a mix of arcade and RL combat. allowing some run and gun, yet still some natural camping to be effective.  I think the prone delay was effective enough to prevent dolfin diving.  sure people can dolfin dive/bunny hop to a certain degree still, but, not to any extent that prevents me from killing them in their mid air spasm.  Maybe, if they decreaed the accuracy for someone going from standing to prone and visa versa to the level of accuracy of a non-scoped sniper it would solve the problem.  But, I think that prone is something that REALLY liked about bf2.  Most other games don''t have it. (Quake, Half life, unreal tournament., Halo....)  I hate ALL these games... (and might I add ALL these games STILL have the bunny hopping problem) I like bf2 for all the little things it had, (Commander, vehicles, radio rose, and lastly but, not leastly Prone)   Maybe, if they made any hit to the body count as a head shot while in mid air.  Then people might think twice about jumping around like a fool.

RDMC wrote:

Entirely removing prone just so we have no 'dolphing diving' and 'bunny hopping' is an insult to the entire FPS gaming industry since it first started. I can remember playing the first UT. That was one big hopping fest and yet..nobody bitched about it. So when did it all go wrong?

Tbh, remove it from the consoles where it might be bloody annoying because it is extremely difficult to keep tracking of jumping players, but on the PC is it just plain simple. All those ideas of prone delay or your accuracy is off might be more realistic but also slow down gameplay, which in terms is just pure shit. Just look at BF2 after they started implementing prone delays and such, the gameplay went to shit.

And I think the keyword in all this mess is 'realism' for some reason this has become the keyword in game development these days..everything has gotta be 'realistic' but then again we do get to shout around Javelins at infantry in urban enviroment, because apparantly that is realistic, no wait that is fun! And so is hopping around and dolphing divings just to evade enemy fire plus it offers a form of defence against campers, because we all know it is the campers that hate bunny hoppers and dolphin divers..

Conclusion: just bring it back, because people that do actually know how to aim don't give a rats ass whether you jump or not.

/rant over.

Last edited by jaydevil2003 (2010-09-08 08:52:30)

RDMC wrote:

Entirely removing prone just so we have no 'dolphing diving' and 'bunny hopping' is an insult to the entire FPS gaming industry since it first started. I can remember playing the first UT. That was one big hopping fest and yet..nobody bitched about it. So when did it all go wrong?

Tbh, remove it from the consoles where it might be bloody annoying because it is extremely difficult to keep tracking of jumping players, but on the PC is it just plain simple. All those ideas of prone delay or your accuracy is off might be more realistic but also slow down gameplay, which in terms is just pure shit. Just look at BF2 after they started implementing prone delays and such, the gameplay went to shit.

And I think the keyword in all this mess is 'realism' for some reason this has become the keyword in game development these days..everything has gotta be 'realistic' but then again we do get to shout around Javelins at infantry in urban enviroment, because apparantly that is realistic, no wait that is fun! And so is hopping around and dolphing divings just to evade enemy fire plus it offers a form of defence against campers, because we all know it is the campers that hate bunny hoppers and dolphin divers..

Conclusion: just bring it back, because people that do actually know how to aim don't give a rats ass whether you jump or not.

/rant over.

RDMC wrote:

Morpheus wrote:

RDMC wrote:

Entirely removing prone just so we have no 'dolphing diving' and 'bunny hopping' is an insult to the entire FPS gaming industry since it first started. I can remember playing the first UT. That was one big hopping fest and yet..nobody bitched about it. So when did it all go wrong?

Tbh, remove it from the consoles where it might be bloody annoying because it is extremely difficult to keep tracking of jumping players, but on the PC is it just plain simple. All those ideas of prone delay or your accuracy is off might be more realistic but also slow down gameplay, which in terms is just pure shit. Just look at BF2 after they started implementing prone delays and such, the gameplay went to shit.

And I think the keyword in all this mess is 'realism' for some reason this has become the keyword in game development these days..everything has gotta be 'realistic' but then again we do get to shout around Javelins at infantry in urban enviroment, because apparantly that is realistic, no wait that is fun! And so is hopping around and dolphing divings just to evade enemy fire plus it offers a form of defence against campers, because we all know it is the campers that hate bunny hoppers and dolphin divers..

Conclusion: just bring it back, because people that do actually know how to aim don't give a rats ass whether you jump or not.

/rant over.

I like UT (2k4), and I like BF2.
Would I like an Unreal Battlefield Tournament 2? No. Why?
They're different games.
For me, BF2 is all about 'tactics' and squad play - not to say it needs to be "ZOMG JUS LIEK REEL LYFE", but I would like the fact that I'm moving more cautiously instead of running head-first into people be... rewarded? maybe not 'rewarded', but encouraged... because if I wanted to play a game that was all about the 'DAHHH GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!111!!!!!!" spray and pray, I would play UT2K4... which I have.

Well your point is valid I guess. However look at it from this way, people that do not wish to spend ages crawling around, or tactical crouching should not be brought at a disadvantage because tactical crawling/crouching w/e is more realistic. I think that it is purely the hitboxes that killed it for BF2. Had the hitboxes been better (as in you could actually gun someone down in mid air, rather than getting pufs of dust) than I think both prone spam and bunny hopping wouldn't have been as effective as they were at the time.

Also you claim to say that BF2 isn't run and gun. I partially agree, if we take a look at BF2 when it came out in 2005 it didn't look much like a run and gun game, however with the introduction of IO, in my opinion it did actually turn into a run and gun game and at that point the bitchin' and the moaning became increasinly more, resulting in more delays and restrictions which eventually slowed the game and dare I say, dumbed the game down.

And for me a game should be able to offer me both, going slow but sure or run and gun into a place and either kill or be killed. But the way it is going now we are heading more and more into slow but sure, which eventually leads to extreme amounts of camping with no way to counter said camping. Atleast IMO.

Last edited by RDMC (2010-09-12 00:34:00)

Dilbert_X wrote:

One thing which grated was lack of points benefit for being a squad leader, commanders get points, why not squad leaders based on how well they achieve their objectives?

Last edited by jaydevil2003 (2010-09-12 06:12:51)

jaydevil2003 wrote:

RDMC wrote:

Entirely removing prone just so we have no 'dolphing diving' and 'bunny hopping' is an insult to the entire FPS gaming industry since it first started. I can remember playing the first UT. That was one big hopping fest and yet..nobody bitched about it. So when did it all go wrong?

Tbh, remove it from the consoles where it might be bloody annoying because it is extremely difficult to keep tracking of jumping players, but on the PC is it just plain simple. All those ideas of prone delay or your accuracy is off might be more realistic but also slow down gameplay, which in terms is just pure shit. Just look at BF2 after they started implementing prone delays and such, the gameplay went to shit.

And I think the keyword in all this mess is 'realism' for some reason this has become the keyword in game development these days..everything has gotta be 'realistic' but then again we do get to shout around Javelins at infantry in urban enviroment, because apparantly that is realistic, no wait that is fun! And so is hopping around and dolphing divings just to evade enemy fire plus it offers a form of defence against campers, because we all know it is the campers that hate bunny hoppers and dolphin divers..

Conclusion: just bring it back, because people that do actually know how to aim don't give a rats ass whether you jump or not.

/rant over.

I think that gameplay acctually improved when they added the prone delay. I ran into too many people that had prone/jump macro'd to the point where they litterally looked like they were flying.  Seriously, and it made them almost impossible to hit.  To me, this was a issue,  But, I think they handled it fine.  I like how bf2 plays now.  As for UT, No one complained about it cause those that had issues with it, just didn't play it. I for one HATED it.  Everything doesn't need to be realistic, but, I think that there isn't anything wrong with trying to make the game better.  More than campers hate bunny hoppers and dolphin divers.  It got to the point that those that knew how to aim were unable to compete unless they used he same tactics.   Using lag and a hitbox delay glitch in this way takes away from the game more than just its realism.  It makes BF just like Unreal Tournament,CS and Halo.  Simply, If I wanted to play Halo I would buy an X-box.  If wanted to play UT I would play that game.  But, games evolve and developers try to work out old issues like Bunny hopping and diving.  I just don't like that they are just giving up, I agree that it is an insult to FPS game players.   Writing it out completly is simply lazy.  I like more freedom of movement when I play a game (leaning, jumping, prone ect...) not less.  I am willing to accept that leaning makes the game too much of a camperfest and can live without it.  Just as I think that Dolphin diving/hopping makes the game too much of a run and gun(no fear of running out in the open) I think that they will provide us with what we will buy.  If not BF3 then the next game that comes out that manages to tackle making a FPS/bf2 clone with all the bells and whistles the gaming community appreciates.

Conclusion: They should just Fix the issues and not be so damn lazy by just writing prone out of the game completely.

/No rant okay maybe a little but, i'm almost done...