Gold is such a worthless investment. It's just a good for nothing... ohh look it's shinny!!
He's a lot of people's hero.FEOS wrote:
Roosevelt is his hero. How is this surprising?Harmor wrote:
Opinion: Obama Is Repeating the Mistakes of the 1937 Economic Collapse
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/ … gman-newt/
Good article about how Obama is repeating history.
He didn't win 4 elections for nothing...Phrozenbot wrote:
He's a lot of people's hero.FEOS wrote:
Roosevelt is his hero. How is this surprising?Harmor wrote:
Opinion: Obama Is Repeating the Mistakes of the 1937 Economic Collapse
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/ … gman-newt/
Good article about how Obama is repeating history.
True dat.
Found this little graphic about how much Obama will be increasing our taxes January 1st, 2011:
Source: http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/CPayne.html
Found this little graphic about how much Obama will be increasing our taxes January 1st, 2011:
Source: http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/CPayne.html
f*ck!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10% increase for the top tier?
Yes. And people wonder why there is no growth right now...Ilocano wrote:
f*ck!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10% increase for the top tier?
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Instead of hiking the top bracket up by 10%, they should just create a new bracket starting at $1 million and set it at 38%.Ilocano wrote:
f*ck!!!!!!!!!!!!! 10% increase for the top tier?
They could also raise the AMT threshold up to $300,000 (so it would affect less people), but then increase it to a flat rate of 30%.
You do realise that that's $100k in tax average for everyone earning over $1mill, not if you earn exactly 1mill? Obviously your version sounds much more alarmist, so keep that up. Are there actual percentages available yet, or is everyone just talking out of their assholes?
I'm not a tax accountant so I don't know if those numbers, as you suggested, are 100% accurate. Every person's situation is different (i.e. kids/no-kids, home/no-home, different occupations, etc...), and thus can't be accurate.ghettoperson wrote:
You do realise that that's $100k in tax average for everyone earning over $1mill, not if you earn exactly 1mill? Obviously your version sounds much more alarmist, so keep that up. Are there actual percentages available yet, or is everyone just talking out of their assholes?
Taxes are going up in the middle of the longest recessions/slow-down in our lifetimes. Its obviously not the right thing to be doing to pull this economy out of the shitter, but we have a true-believer in the White House that think producers are the problem.
When was the last time you got a job from a poor person?
US taxes are very low to begin with, stop the whining.
Crap planning and regulation is the problem, not taxes.
Crap planning and regulation is the problem, not taxes.
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Fuck Israel
You're welcome to pay more taxes to the government - I won't. Would you rather pay the government taxes or use that money for your family?
Good luck paying for your kids college.
Good luck paying for your kids college.
Remember, someone who doesn't believe in federal income taxes will always be upset as long as they are taxed.
These are probably the same kids that are in school begging for money from their parents and never have worked a real job in their lifetime.
I think once you compare ALL the taxes we pay, you'll find they aren't all that low.Dilbert_X wrote:
US taxes are very low to begin with, stop the whining.
Crap planning and regulation is the problem, not taxes.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Maybe you're right, however I'm too lazy.FEOS wrote:
I think once you compare ALL the taxes we pay, you'll find they aren't all that low.Dilbert_X wrote:
US taxes are very low to begin with, stop the whining.
Crap planning and regulation is the problem, not taxes.
Fuck Israel
You're spot on...on both counts.Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe you're right, however I'm too lazy.FEOS wrote:
I think once you compare ALL the taxes we pay, you'll find they aren't all that low.Dilbert_X wrote:
US taxes are very low to begin with, stop the whining.
Crap planning and regulation is the problem, not taxes.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I'm moving to somalia; where a man can be free and not burdened by taxes and responsibility.
Alot of this uncertainty you've been hearing in the news because of all these new taxes and regulations (Obamacare), is also is because there isn't a 2011 budget!
Economic Uncertainty Aggravated by Missing 2011 Budget
Is this because the Democrats know they are going to get their ass handed to them in November? Or they were too busy with their current list of bills (i.e. Obamacare, Finance Reform bill, etc...), to be bothered with a budget for 2011?
Economic Uncertainty Aggravated by Missing 2011 Budget
Is this because the Democrats know they are going to get their ass handed to them in November? Or they were too busy with their current list of bills (i.e. Obamacare, Finance Reform bill, etc...), to be bothered with a budget for 2011?
Nah, what I should have said was that just because taxes are higher elsewhere does not mean we we can't complain or worry about increased tax burdens ourselves. That is the rest of the world's problem if they enjoy being taxed.Harmor wrote:
These are probably the same kids that are in school begging for money from their parents and never have worked a real job in their lifetime.
Oops... so it isn't a partisan issue anymore eh?Fox wrote:
2011 wouldn't be the first fiscal year to start without a budget in hand. Congress has not passed a budget on time since at least 1998, the earliest budget year posted on the House Appropriations Committee website.
Indeed. Free, free at last....Reciprocity wrote:
I'm moving to somalia; where a man can be free and not burdened by taxes and responsibility.
obama can't seem to. Although he thought it important to campaign as a Christian, so ask him why - not me.Phrozenbot wrote:
Name someone who would fulfill this role.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
For a start - make sound economic and political decisions based in reality and experience with a credible, tested, experienced leader.
for example avoid Candidates who think there are 60 states in the United States of America,
or anyone who thinks you can spend your way out of debt,
or tax your country into prosperity.
or can't remember what religion they are.
Why should a candidate's religion matter? Who can't remember their religion?
Almost any one in the Room with obama is more qualified than he is.
He forgets what religion he is and refers to himself as muslim.
He forgets how many states we have, What other politician could get away with such statement ?
Fara Faucet would have been laughed at for such a remark.
It's beyond bizarre that people look the other way and pretend they don't notice what he says and who his friends are.
Yet this man is in control of the worlds foremost Nuclear arsenal. It's Scary.
I thought the housing market was starting to finally gel.
I met an man who serves foreclosure notices. He says its not abating and he's going stronger than ever.
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Both major parties have had their 'substitute' candidates now.
Junior and The Obamessiah.
Amateur hour at the White House is now fucking over for the century, go away already.
Time to front a real candidate, not just some pinch hitter throwaway.
Give us someone that actually has a career to risk by running for President.
Tea Party has turned into GOP 2.0,
Princess Billary of Jackass is still hanging around asking "my turn yet!?" like we're the damn English,
Jeb of Bush has already picked out his coronation title (King George III, though DubyaDubya-JuniorJunior, or DoublePlusDubya is more apt),
(C'mon.. picking candidates on the sole criteria of having either entered or exited Barbara Bush's bush is not a system of government, GOP)
Libertarians are still stuck fronting the usual mix of wide-eyed Ivory tower theoreticians and borderline mental cases,
and the overwhelming majority of us stuck in the political middle are still unrepresented in government.
And we wonder why the economy isn't doing well..
The damn court jesters have been sitting on the throne for the whole of this century to date.
(And don't get me started on that cokehead sex addict with the JFK obsession and the Cuban cigar fetish...)
Junior and The Obamessiah.
Amateur hour at the White House is now fucking over for the century, go away already.
Time to front a real candidate, not just some pinch hitter throwaway.
Give us someone that actually has a career to risk by running for President.
Tea Party has turned into GOP 2.0,
Princess Billary of Jackass is still hanging around asking "my turn yet!?" like we're the damn English,
Jeb of Bush has already picked out his coronation title (King George III, though DubyaDubya-JuniorJunior, or DoublePlusDubya is more apt),
(C'mon.. picking candidates on the sole criteria of having either entered or exited Barbara Bush's bush is not a system of government, GOP)
Libertarians are still stuck fronting the usual mix of wide-eyed Ivory tower theoreticians and borderline mental cases,
and the overwhelming majority of us stuck in the political middle are still unrepresented in government.
And we wonder why the economy isn't doing well..
The damn court jesters have been sitting on the throne for the whole of this century to date.
(And don't get me started on that cokehead sex addict with the JFK obsession and the Cuban cigar fetish...)
I wonder if Obama will continue to blame Bush for the bad economy? Seems to me if you had both houses of congress to your party you should had been able to pull us out of all this? If anything I don't feel like we're getting any better in 2010 compared to 2008. Granted 2009 was a shit year, but we're like plateaued ... and taxes are going up - that's not going to help.
I'd say we're doing ok considering we just went through the greatest economic contraction since 1929. The economy is currently the way it is because people are saving their money and paying off bills. Businesses aren't expanding or hiring because there's no need to right now. It's not uncertainty about taxes or health insurance, there just isn't demand. I'm sure, in a few years, the next bubble will come along to artificially inflate our economy again.
No, it's uncertainty about health insurance coverage, tax increases, new financial regulations and the looming threat of cap and trade. You're right that people are paying down debt right now but the other stuff isn't just talking points for the right, the fear and uncertainty that those bills have created has definitely lengthened the recovery as businesses digest it and wait for the other shoe to drop. They're scared.Reciprocity wrote:
I'd say we're doing ok considering we just went through the greatest economic contraction since 1929. The economy is currently the way it is because people are saving their money and paying off bills. Businesses aren't expanding or hiring because there's no need to right now. It's not uncertainty about taxes or health insurance, there just isn't demand. I'm sure, in a few years, the next bubble will come along to artificially inflate our economy again.
Frankly, if I was running a business today I would be looking for any way that I could to escape overseas. Getting stuck paying for my employees kids healthcare until they're 25 is absofuckinglutely ridiculous.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat