go to a shit part of china. youd be wishing to work in a sweatshop.Ticia wrote:
Ah yes everything is subjective. They're as civilized as we are so let them be happy with the little they have,right?Cybargs wrote:
better that than starving to death.Ticia wrote:
I'm talking about how the western world is willing to let go of basic human rights and labor laws in the name of competition. There's nothing shocking about sweatshops in China what is shocking is how we don't give a fuck.
That's the people you know I guess, They have been around longer, could they just know more having had say, Three times your experience ? Is that possible ? Some times when I am talking with some one about Say ( how to make a Horse stop Bolting off a trailer when you unload him, * I think ( He says he's " done this twenty times before ! " I have done it 6000 times ~ Hmm ?Turquoise wrote:
The majority of older people I know are very staunch about their opinions and slow to acknowledge alternative points of view -- even when confronted with substantial evidence. The majority of older people I know are very set in their ways.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
WOW talk about leaning into the Strike Zone
Show me some one who knows it all and I'll show you someone who has stopped learning.
Never be afraid to ask a question if you want to know.
Now, I acknowledged that FEOS has apparently had the opposite experience. Dilbert's argument is probably the most accurate in that open-mindedness seems to be more reflective of personality than of age.
It could be how you approach them. Do you let them do the talking and listen - or do you just present your facts - are you talking to patriarchs or people in this role or Single men Women - childless ? ( parents are used to telling people " because I said So " ) Grand Parents are Tired of Telling People what to do. Where are you meeting these old people. The Bar, Rifle Range, Museum, Wharf Asylum, Bowling Ally The Hunt Course - Polo Grounds - Gym - The Yacht Club ?did they get out of a Limo or a Bus ? these things could have alot to do with it.
no spaces so ghetto can read too !
*pm if you need to know- it's funny.
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Sure, more experience is nice, but it shouldn't be the end of the discussion. Logic is more important than experience, because someone can spend a lifetime gaining experience, but if their perception is lacking, they'll still operate under false assumptions or flawed reasoning.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
That's the people you know I guess, They have been around longer, could they just know more having had say, Three times your experience ? Is that possible ?
While you are correct that circumstances play a big part as does the tone of communication, I think it's still flawed to assume that experience should preclude being open to alternatives. I'm not saying that you are claiming this, but I've found that a lot of older people seem to operate this way.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Some times when I am talking with some one about Say ( how to make a Horse stop Bolting off a trailer when you unload him, * I think ( He says he's " done this twenty times before ! " I have done it 6000 times ~ Hmm ?
It could be how you approach them. Do you let them do the talking and listen - or do you just present your facts - are you talking to patriarchs or people in this role or Single men Women - childless ? ( parents are used to telling people " because I said So " ) Grand Parents are Tired of Telling People what to do. Where are you meeting these old people. The Bar, Rifle Range, Museum, Wharf Asylum, Bowling Ally The Hunt Course - Polo Grounds - Gym - The Yacht Club ?did they get out of a Limo or a Bus ? these things could have alot to do with it.
no spaces so ghetto can read too !
*pm if you need to know- it's funny.
In general, I try to be friendly and diplomatic about things. Admittedly, I can come off as confrontational here, but in real life, I communicate differently.
was just razzing you for the most part, Not about the horse tho. I commend your level of restraint
Thanks... Did you work at a horse farm at some point?
Go to Helsinki and you'd be thinking the US are a shithole. Your point?Cybargs wrote:
go to a shit part of china. youd be wishing to work in a sweatshop.Ticia wrote:
Ah yes everything is subjective. They're as civilized as we are so let them be happy with the little they have,right?Cybargs wrote:
better that than starving to death.
owned one for 15 years - Ex wife has it ! They liked her better anyway.Turquoise wrote:
Thanks... Did you work at a horse farm at some point?
Some how I doubt this,Ticia wrote:
Go to Helsinki and you'd be thinking the US are a shithole. Your point?Cybargs wrote:
go to a shit part of china. youd be wishing to work in a sweatshop.Ticia wrote:
Ah yes everything is subjective. They're as civilized as we are so let them be happy with the little they have,right?
PRC treats even their people at the Embassy in N.Y.C. like S**T 10% are in good health Dressed well. The others have Grey rotting teeth atrocious breath and seem steeped in fear. They seemed to think I was some kinda spy so I really had fun with that role. Cupping the notes I was reading. Shielding my bags contents with my body when i looked for something. 4 guys followed me where ever I went. They'd only talk if you had one alone. ( nice then ) What a dump to ! Wires hanging out all over Twisted together to make a junction, I all ways wondered if local building codes didn't apply to Embassies, Anyone know ?
I'm sure Helsinki is nice, but the only way this comparison would work is if you compared Helsinki to a small U.S. town.Ticia wrote:
Go to Helsinki and you'd be thinking the US are a shithole. Your point?Cybargs wrote:
go to a shit part of china. youd be wishing to work in a sweatshop.Ticia wrote:
Ah yes everything is subjective. They're as civilized as we are so let them be happy with the little they have,right?
While it is true that all countries tend to have more poverty issues in rural areas, the gap between urban areas and rural areas in terms of development and standard of living is much starker in China than it is in the U.S. Comparatively speaking, the U.S. actually has some of the least disparity in the world between urban and rural areas in terms of standard of living.
Granted, our overall wealth disparity between rich and poor is a different story.
I don't know where Cybargs is from and i don't think he knows where i'm at either so i was talking in general.Turquoise wrote:
I'm sure Helsinki is nice, but the only way this comparison would work is if you compared Helsinki to a small U.S. town.Ticia wrote:
Go to Helsinki and you'd be thinking the US are a shithole. Your point?Cybargs wrote:
go to a shit part of china. youd be wishing to work in a sweatshop.
While it is true that all countries tend to have more poverty issues in rural areas, the gap between urban areas and rural areas in terms of development and standard of living is much starker in China than it is in the U.S. Comparatively speaking, the U.S. actually has some of the least disparity in the world between urban and rural areas in terms of standard of living.
Granted, our overall wealth disparity between rich and poor is a different story.
As an whole Finland is considered the best country to live in and Helsinki on the top 5 of cities with the greater quality of life.
Now where you're from and where you live completely changes what you can achieve or even want so his point is kind of too obvious to discuss, therefore my response.
Cybargs is in Taiwan. Finland is definitely one of the better countries to live in according to the HDI, but Norway is at the top, if I'm not mistaken.Ticia wrote:
I don't know where Cybargs is from and i don't think he knows where i'm at either so i was talking in general.Turquoise wrote:
I'm sure Helsinki is nice, but the only way this comparison would work is if you compared Helsinki to a small U.S. town.Ticia wrote:
Go to Helsinki and you'd be thinking the US are a shithole. Your point?
While it is true that all countries tend to have more poverty issues in rural areas, the gap between urban areas and rural areas in terms of development and standard of living is much starker in China than it is in the U.S. Comparatively speaking, the U.S. actually has some of the least disparity in the world between urban and rural areas in terms of standard of living.
Granted, our overall wealth disparity between rich and poor is a different story.
As an whole Finland is considered the best country to live in and Helsinki on the top 5 of cities with the greater quality of life.
Now where you're from and where you live completely changes what you can achieve or even want so his point is kind of too obvious to discuss, therefore my response.
Norway,Finland,Sweden,Denmark all rank high on that. Too bad it gets so cold there:(Turquoise wrote:
Cybargs is in Taiwan. Finland is definitely one of the better countries to live in according to the HDI, but Norway is at the top, if I'm not mistaken.Ticia wrote:
I don't know where Cybargs is from and i don't think he knows where i'm at either so i was talking in general.Turquoise wrote:
I'm sure Helsinki is nice, but the only way this comparison would work is if you compared Helsinki to a small U.S. town.
While it is true that all countries tend to have more poverty issues in rural areas, the gap between urban areas and rural areas in terms of development and standard of living is much starker in China than it is in the U.S. Comparatively speaking, the U.S. actually has some of the least disparity in the world between urban and rural areas in terms of standard of living.
Granted, our overall wealth disparity between rich and poor is a different story.
As an whole Finland is considered the best country to live in and Helsinki on the top 5 of cities with the greater quality of life.
Now where you're from and where you live completely changes what you can achieve or even want so his point is kind of too obvious to discuss, therefore my response.
As a matter of interest, Do people from all over the world show up in Norway,Finland,Sweden and Denmark's hospitals for health care ?Ticia wrote:
Norway,Finland,Sweden,Denmark all rank high on that. Too bad it gets so cold there:(Turquoise wrote:
Cybargs is in Taiwan. Finland is definitely one of the better countries to live in according to the HDI, but Norway is at the top, if I'm not mistaken.Ticia wrote:
I don't know where Cybargs is from and i don't think he knows where i'm at either so i was talking in general.
As an whole Finland is considered the best country to live in and Helsinki on the top 5 of cities with the greater quality of life.
Now where you're from and where you live completely changes what you can achieve or even want so his point is kind of too obvious to discuss, therefore my response.
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not really sure what point you're trying to make there...
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I see "illegal aliens are bankrupting us via hospital" rant coming.Uzique wrote:
not really sure what point you're trying to make there...
If you're suggesting that proper border security and limited immigration are good things, then you are correct.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
As a matter of interest, Do people from all over the world show up in Norway,Finland,Sweden and Denmark's hospitals for health care ?Ticia wrote:
Norway,Finland,Sweden,Denmark all rank high on that. Too bad it gets so cold there:(Turquoise wrote:
Cybargs is in Taiwan. Finland is definitely one of the better countries to live in according to the HDI, but Norway is at the top, if I'm not mistaken.
wrong thread, but people seem to find the best place when their life is at stake. Wouldnt you agree ?
If that's a way of saying that immigrants tend to seek out better countries to live in when their home country is poor or in turmoil, yes.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
wrong thread, but people seem to find the best place when their life is at stake. Wouldnt you agree ?
However, America's size is a lot of why so many immigrants come here. We let in more immigrants (numerically) than just about any other country.
Although... Canada actually has a higher immigration rate per capita -- the highest in the world, if I'm not mistaken.
my point was ( tho people try and trash us ) They seem to End up here when their lives are a stake
" The USA sucks.. erh ahrg ! " What the ? Whoa ~ Let me get this heart fixed, Book me a flight to the Very best place to do it !
" The USA sucks.. erh ahrg ! " What the ? Whoa ~ Let me get this heart fixed, Book me a flight to the Very best place to do it !
lots of filipinos coming to taiwan to work in shitty sweatshops. better this than starving to death i guess. 3 bucks an hour work ftw.Turquoise wrote:
Cybargs is in Taiwan. Finland is definitely one of the better countries to live in according to the HDI, but Norway is at the top, if I'm not mistaken.Ticia wrote:
I don't know where Cybargs is from and i don't think he knows where i'm at either so i was talking in general.Turquoise wrote:
I'm sure Helsinki is nice, but the only way this comparison would work is if you compared Helsinki to a small U.S. town.
While it is true that all countries tend to have more poverty issues in rural areas, the gap between urban areas and rural areas in terms of development and standard of living is much starker in China than it is in the U.S. Comparatively speaking, the U.S. actually has some of the least disparity in the world between urban and rural areas in terms of standard of living.
Granted, our overall wealth disparity between rich and poor is a different story.
As an whole Finland is considered the best country to live in and Helsinki on the top 5 of cities with the greater quality of life.
Now where you're from and where you live completely changes what you can achieve or even want so his point is kind of too obvious to discuss, therefore my response.
It is a love/hate thing.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
my point was ( tho people try and trash us ) They seem to End up here when their lives are a stake
" The USA sucks.. erh ahrg ! " What the ? Whoa ~ Let me get this heart fixed, Book me a flight to the Very best place to do it !
We like to give you a hard time but we also admit you have some of the best technology,manpower and resources in the world.