| Yes | 40% | 40% - 18 | ||||
| No | 59% | 59% - 26 | ||||
| Total: 44 | ||||||
The one where King George wouldn't let us use this flag:Dilbert_X wrote:
Are we talking about the Revolutionaries then or the Tea Partiers now?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
It wasn't a rising so much as a prolonged riot headed by people who kept them moving around.
You're confusing end-strength caps (due to budgetary reasons) with total war manpower requirements. You're comparing apples and armchairs.Dilbert_X wrote:
Well the point is your/my fellow countrymen aren't so concerned about dying to defend country, let alone its 'principles and ideals', that they'll actually volunteer for it.
i would give my life for some brioche right nowrdx-fx wrote:
French cheated, though. They were passing out cake and brioche as an incentive.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Russians, French, Mexicans, Cubans and obviously the mutinous Americans did.
If the French can do it anyone can.
Good readrdx-fx wrote:
Doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Everyone goes in for a mix of their own reasons.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Of anybody on this forum I certainly hope you don't think I'm an "awkward teenager".
You're young and enthusiastic, perhaps a touch of youthful naivety.
Uzique is young, cynical, sarcastic, and has the overconfidence of youth combined with the nihilistic narcissism of the overeducated.
I was somewhere in between, and am now the grumpy old man yelling "get off my lawn, punks!" while flying an American flag on my lawn for reasons the kids find silly and/or incomprehensible.
You two may grow out of it, I probably won't
Regarding the military..
Some are ragbags looking for an easy out, some couldn't think of any other options, some believed the propaganda on the commercials.
Some believe in the goose-stepping nationalism, some listened to "God Bless the USA" one too many times.
Many went for the college fund.
You get out of it what you put into it, most of the time. Bust ass, keep your nose clean, don't be an ego case, play well with others - and you might do well (though those same traits pay better as a civilian...).
On the off occasion when the politicians aren't using the military as their own personal PR tool and dick waving machine, military actually sometimes gets to do some good things. Most of these things you will never see on Fox or CNN or BBC. Medics and Engineers get to do most of these good things.
John Galt summed it up well, "Correct. I met many of the type and they were always fragile and generally the first ones to crack. Confidence bordering on arrogance (but never shown outwardly, never.) is the only thing that will get you through the rough parts in training. "
Or, a Ron White quote, "There's a lot of Quit in that kid"
Don't be that kid.
How so? You'd think people would volunteer to fight for nothing apart from food and ammo to defend their country, principles and ideals.FEOS wrote:
You're confusing end-strength caps (due to budgetary reasons) with total war manpower requirements. You're comparing apples and armchairs.Dilbert_X wrote:
Well the point is your/my fellow countrymen aren't so concerned about dying to defend country, let alone its 'principles and ideals', that they'll actually volunteer for it.
If I'm not mistaken they were turning Australian volunteers away because they didn't fit the desired body shape, for a war which had fuck all to do with us.Dilbert_X wrote:
How so? You'd think people would volunteer to fight for nothing apart from food and ammo to defend their country, principles and ideals.FEOS wrote:
You're confusing end-strength caps (due to budgetary reasons) with total war manpower requirements. You're comparing apples and armchairs.Dilbert_X wrote:
Well the point is your/my fellow countrymen aren't so concerned about dying to defend country, let alone its 'principles and ideals', that they'll actually volunteer for it.
Doesn't often happen though.
Conscripts get paid, as well. Always have.Dilbert_X wrote:
How so? You'd think people would volunteer to fight for nothing apart from food and ammo to defend their country, principles and ideals.FEOS wrote:
You're confusing end-strength caps (due to budgetary reasons) with total war manpower requirements. You're comparing apples and armchairs.Dilbert_X wrote:
Well the point is your/my fellow countrymen aren't so concerned about dying to defend country, let alone its 'principles and ideals', that they'll actually volunteer for it.
Doesn't often happen though.
Yeah I'd agree with this completely.Varegg wrote:
To defend my country against foreign attackers yes ... as an aggressor in another country no ...
Like Vilham said ... it's situational and a to diverse question for an easy yes or no answer ...
I third this.AussieReaper wrote:
Yeah I'd agree with this completely.Varegg wrote:
To defend my country against foreign attackers yes ... as an aggressor in another country no ...
Like Vilham said ... it's situational and a to diverse question for an easy yes or no answer ...
So do volunteers, you're missing the point.FEOS wrote:
Conscripts get paid, as well. Always have.Dilbert_X wrote:
How so? You'd think people would volunteer to fight for nothing apart from food and ammo to defend their country, principles and ideals.FEOS wrote:
You're confusing end-strength caps (due to budgetary reasons) with total war manpower requirements. You're comparing apples and armchairs.
Doesn't often happen though.
I personally don't care what other people believe in as far as theology or craigslist. It has nothing to do with the country as a whole. This country has given me so much. Yeah, things may seem bad right now, but I have all my friends and family here. I personally don't ever plan on getting married or having kids, but my friends and family do. I would give my life to let them have that dream. Personally if someone does not have something they love so much that they are not willing to die for, that says a lot about them.Macbeth wrote:
I don't think my country, or any, is worth dying for to be honest.
Maybe if the state wasn't so annoyingly meddlesome or if the people weren't such dumb fucks, then maybe. But as it is now, I wouldn't give my life for my country.
Thats usually the case right at the start of wars, the idealists sign up first.DrunkFace wrote:
If I'm not mistaken they were turning Australian volunteers away because they didn't fit the desired body shape, for a war which had fuck all to do with us.
One of my high school teachers was an ardent pacifist but he answered exactly the same.AussieReaper wrote:
Yeah I'd agree with this completely.Varegg wrote:
To defend my country against foreign attackers yes ... as an aggressor in another country no ...
Like Vilham said ... it's situational and a to diverse question for an easy yes or no answer ...
That was the Nazis justification for invading most of Europe IIRC, and most Germans were right behind them.A vast majority would start to have question marks floating above their heads when they would see a politician up on a stand shouting that it's to defend your country and way of life.
No, I'm not. You're focusing on the payment aspect of the current all-volunteer force. As if it's a negative that people get paid for some reason. Then you bring up the difference between the all-volunteer force and the conscript force, neglecting the fact that even in a conscript force, they get paid.Dilbert_X wrote:
So do volunteers, you're missing the point.FEOS wrote:
Conscripts get paid, as well. Always have.Dilbert_X wrote:
How so? You'd think people would volunteer to fight for nothing apart from food and ammo to defend their country, principles and ideals.
Doesn't often happen though.
