Dilbert_X wrote:
Lets move this discussion on to how the brain-washing of the American population begins in kindergarten.
Thankyou for your assistance in this matter.SEREMAKER wrote:
some of us love our country and our way of life
Fuck Israel
Poll
Would you give your life for your country?
| Yes | 40% | 40% - 18 | ||||
| No | 59% | 59% - 26 | ||||
| Total: 44 | ||||||
i spy on russia from alaska .... which technically isn't ours its canadas .............. but we needed somewhere for SarahJohnG@lt wrote:
nowai, it hangs off Italy's boot.SEREMAKER wrote:
i knows australia iz an islandJohnG@lt wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. I can find Canada though, it's our hat.
Dilbert_X wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Lets move this discussion on to how the brain-washing of the American population begins in kindergarten.Thankyou for your assistance in this matter.SEREMAKER wrote:
some of us love our country and our way of life
you know bert ...... you're not yourself when you're hungry ............. here have a snickersDilbert_X wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Lets move this discussion on to how the brain-washing of the American population begins in kindergarten.Thankyou for your assistance in this matter.SEREMAKER wrote:
some of us love our country and our way of life
I'm curious as to why you posted the passport part. I don't have one, partially because it's too fucking expensive to go anyplace nice.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many Americans don't even have a passport, or can find America on a world map?SEREMAKER wrote:
some of us love our country and our way of life
you don't need one .... you're already living in americaDesertFox- wrote:
I'm curious as to why you posted the passport part. I don't have one, partially because it's too fucking expensive to go anyplace nice.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many Americans don't even have a passport, or can find America on a world map?SEREMAKER wrote:
some of us love our country and our way of life
Its like the boy in the bubble saying how much he loves living in the bubble.DesertFox- wrote:
I'm curious as to why you posted the passport part. I don't have one, partially because it's too fucking expensive to go anyplace nice.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many Americans don't even have a passport, or can find America on a world map?SEREMAKER wrote:
some of us love our country and our way of life
Fuck Israel
i dont have one. and ive been to more places than you will ever go.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its like the boy in the bubble saying how much he loves living in the bubble.DesertFox- wrote:
I'm curious as to why you posted the passport part. I don't have one, partially because it's too fucking expensive to go anyplace nice.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many Americans don't even have a passport, or can find America on a world map?
oh and let me stomp your troll comeback cuz i aint talking about iraq or afghan
nope
Talking about the average American, not those sent abroad on workfare.11 Bravo wrote:
i dont have one. and ive been to more places than you will ever go.
Fuck Israel
inb4pattonspeech
[video]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5cb_1178900597&o=1[/video]unnamednewbie13 wrote:
inb4pattonspeech
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
SFC Shugart
MSG Gordon
Ask them
It doesn't matter what you think, as you don't believe in anything, and you would not stand up for anything.Dilbert_X wrote:
Blah Blah Blah .. Hate America .. Blah Blah Blah .. Blame Israel
A man that would not stand up for anything, has no weight to his opinions.
i'd stand up for a lot of principles and ideals... but the idea of 'nation' isn't one of them.
the comradery in the Blackhawk Down scenario was just that... support for comrades.
none of them went down blazing for the american eagle; it was personal ties of brotherhood, not nationalist fervor.
i don't get your post. at all.
the comradery in the Blackhawk Down scenario was just that... support for comrades.
none of them went down blazing for the american eagle; it was personal ties of brotherhood, not nationalist fervor.
i don't get your post. at all.
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You're just proving my point, blind unthinking allegiance.rdx-fx wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr_9hpVi9Ns
SFC Shugart
MSG Gordon
Ask themIt doesn't matter what you think, as you don't believe in anything, and you would not stand up for anything.Dilbert_X wrote:
Blah Blah Blah .. Hate America .. Blah Blah Blah .. Blame Israel
A man that would not stand up for anything, has no weight to his opinions.
And you have no idea what you're talking about when you refer to me.
Now explain how dying in Somalia is in any way a patriotic act.
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Fuck Israel
Yes, you do;Uzique wrote:
i don't get your post. at all.
Uzique wrote:
i'd stand up for a lot of principles and ideals...
It's that simple.Uzique wrote:
none of them went down blazing for the American eagle; it was personal ties of brotherhood, not nationalist fervor.
im sorry, but you're equating dying for brotherhood/comrades/social ties as the same as 'dying for your country'.
they are simply not the same.
if i died for my brother, i wouldn't be dying for merry olde england by proxy. not even part of the thought process.
they are simply not the same.
if i died for my brother, i wouldn't be dying for merry olde england by proxy. not even part of the thought process.
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I agree with this.JohnG@lt wrote:
Those who are willing to lay down their lives for an idea as obscure and ill defined as patriotism or nationalism get what they deserve. In combat, ideas of country go out the window and lives are lain down not for a flag, but to protect the lives of those to your right and left. What brings people to the point of serving is as broad of a spectrum as the spectrum of human condition. Some really do join out of patriotic fervor, most join because service offers a chance at a better life. In the end, none of those reasons matter and those that do end up dying, for whatever reason or motive, end up lumped together as heroes willing to die for their country, even if untrue. Defining them as heroes serves the dual purpose of enticing new recruits blinded by patriotism and the thought of glory, and allowing the politicians and the populace they serve to sleep better at night. If the truth about war were told, no more wars would be fought except by madmen and sociopaths.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
shifty how can you agree with that but then be so patriotic and aspire to join the military for nationalist reasons?
doesn't that classify you as a "madman" or a "sociopath"?
doesn't that classify you as a "madman" or a "sociopath"?
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
I've never been good at explaining things, so I wont comment on what you said. I was actually mostly agreeing with the "Fight for the men next to you" but apparently I was too lazy to edit.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
right, which has nothing to do with dying for your country other than the pure coincidental fact that you're both from the same place.
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I think his patriotism is simply compensation for being an awkward teenager who has never really fit in. The camaraderie and instant respect generated by military service appeals to the type.Uzique wrote:
shifty how can you agree with that but then be so patriotic and aspire to join the military for nationalist reasons?
doesn't that classify you as a "madman" or a "sociopath"?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
dingJohnG@lt wrote:
I think his patriotism is simply compensation for being an awkward teenager who has never really fit in. The camaraderie and instant respect generated by military service appeals to the type.Uzique wrote:
shifty how can you agree with that but then be so patriotic and aspire to join the military for nationalist reasons?
doesn't that classify you as a "madman" or a "sociopath"?
All I have ever seen of you is trolling, anti-American spittle, and anti-Israeli drivel.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're just proving my point, blind unthinking allegiance.
And you have no idea what you're talking about when you refer to me.
Now explain how dying in Somalia is in any way a patriotic act.
Give me an example of something you believe in, something you care about, that is not driven by fear or hate.
I have plenty of proof right here on these forums of my assertions - where is your proof to the contrary?
And, since you apparently didn't watch or didn't comprehend the point of the above video, I'll do something stereotypically American and sure to piss you off, by linking more of the same 'banal American pop Hollywood noise'. Y'know, to further prove your point.
You put on a uniform because that is your home, that is where your family lives, and (though it may have flaws) the ideals and principles of this country are worth preserving. It's not perfect, but it's a whole hell of a lot better than most of the alternatives.Uzique wrote:
im sorry, but you're equating dying for brotherhood/comrades/social ties as the same as 'dying for your country'.
they are simply not the same.
if i died for my brother, i wouldn't be dying for merry olde england by proxy. not even part of the thought process.
There is only one person on this planet that I would outright give my life for the slimmest chance of saving, and that's my daughter.
However, there are a good number of principles, ideals, and people I would risk my life for.