BF2S Forums Glen Beck `Restoring Honor` rally on MLK `I have a Dream` speech annv.

Reciprocity wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

The question is...  what are Beck's high points? (if any)

Allegedly raping and murdering a young girl in 1990.

you know, I heard that.

It's on the internet...it must be true.

As to his high points, who knows? I'm sure there are some. I know he's a strong advocate for children with special needs, as his daughter has Down Syndrome.

ghettoperson wrote:

To be fair, if you got 10,000 50+ year olds from any political background together I wouldn't expect there to be much litter.

True most liberals are younger - than comes - experience, success, responsibility, reality, wisdom and change.

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2010-09-04 20:41:55)

Turquoise wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

To be fair, if you got 10,000 50+ year olds from any political background together I wouldn't expect there to be much litter.

True most liberals are younger - than comes - experience, success, responsibility, reality, wisdom and change.

...or complacency and rigidity of thought.

Depending on the individual, some conservatism is the result of being comfortable with having a privileged place in society and fighting any perceived threats to that via opportunities for others to achieve the same.

That's not to say that all conservatism is like that, but a significant portion of it is -- especially social conservatism.

And economic 'liberalism'.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

True most liberals are younger - than comes - experience, success, responsibility, reality, wisdom and change.

...or complacency and rigidity of thought.

Depending on the individual, some conservatism is the result of being comfortable with having a privileged place in society and fighting any perceived threats to that via opportunities for others to achieve the same.

That's not to say that all conservatism is like that, but a significant portion of it is -- especially social conservatism.

And economic 'liberalism'.

Not really... economic liberalism is mostly focused on helping others rise to privilege.

Economic conservatism mostly amounts to hoarding privilege.

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

...or complacency and rigidity of thought.

Depending on the individual, some conservatism is the result of being comfortable with having a privileged place in society and fighting any perceived threats to that via opportunities for others to achieve the same.

That's not to say that all conservatism is like that, but a significant portion of it is -- especially social conservatism.

And economic 'liberalism'.

Not really... economic liberalism is mostly focused on helping others rise to privilege.

Economic conservatism mostly amounts to hoarding privilege.

Wha? :o

:O

Other way around.

Phrozenbot wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

And economic 'liberalism'.

Not really... economic liberalism is mostly focused on helping others rise to privilege.

Economic conservatism mostly amounts to hoarding privilege.

Wha?



Other way around.

If you oppose public funding for institutions that facilitate economic mobility (like public education), that is most certainly hoarding privilege.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

And economic 'liberalism'.

Not really... economic liberalism is mostly focused on helping others rise to privilege.

Economic conservatism mostly amounts to hoarding privilege.

No, economic 'liberals' are more hell bent on maintaining the status quo than anyone else. There is no more economically conservative (as in status quo'ish) group on the planet than unionized labor.

Well, I can agree that unions are bad in most cases, but I'm referring more to things like public education and universal healthcare.

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Not really... economic liberalism is mostly focused on helping others rise to privilege.

Economic conservatism mostly amounts to hoarding privilege.

No, economic 'liberals' are more hell bent on maintaining the status quo than anyone else. There is no more economically conservative (as in status quo'ish) group on the planet than unionized labor.

Well, I can agree that unions are bad in most cases, but I'm referring more to things like public education and universal healthcare.

It extends far beyond unionized labor. The class warfare inciting the left does, does far more damage to economies than anything else. Public witch hunts, over regulation, favored status, these are all products of liberal interventionism built upon the fact that 99% of liberals don't have any economics or finance background. They fear what they don't understand and try to control it in such a way that it withers and dies. Morons the lot of them.

Phrozenbot wrote:

I'd prefer private schooling over public schooling, and home schooling over private schooling for those willing and able to teach their kids effectively. Teachers unions have absolutely ruined public education in some areas, and I wouldn't call that facilitating economic mobility.

There's undoubtedly problems with the system, but if you compare countries that have public education systems to those that don't, I think you'll find that most of the ones with public education fare much better in terms of standard of living.

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

If you oppose public funding for institutions that facilitate economic mobility (like public education), that is most certainly hoarding privilege.

Public education does more to hinder than help people imho. Compare test scores between home schooled kids and those coming out of public schools.

Compare economic mobility before public education vs. after.

Most of the tycoons from your hated gilded age were self taught men. I spent most of my time in public school waiting for the gum chewing hair twirler in the back of the class to understand a basic concept before drifting off into a stupor again. Then there were the M&M throwers that the teacher would spend half the class chastizing. All public education does is breed mediocrity. With a little direction I could've taught myself far more on any given subject than I ever learned in the classroom. A public education barely provides the necessary skills for entry into college, let alone entry into the workforce at anything hire than unskilled labor. So there goes your economic mobility theory.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Public education does more to hinder than help people imho. Compare test scores between home schooled kids and those coming out of public schools.

Compare economic mobility before public education vs. after.

Most of the tycoons from your hated gilded age were self taught men. I spent most of my time in public school waiting for the gum chewing hair twirler in the back of the class to understand a basic concept before drifting off into a stupor again. Then there were the M&M throwers that the teacher would spend half the class chastizing. All public education does is breed mediocrity. With a little direction I could've taught myself far more on any given subject than I ever learned in the classroom. A public education barely provides the necessary skills for entry into college, let alone entry into the workforce at anything hire than unskilled labor. So there goes your economic mobility theory.

And I'm sure if I home schooled, I'd be president right now.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

I'd prefer private schooling over public schooling, and home schooling over private schooling for those willing and able to teach their kids effectively. Teachers unions have absolutely ruined public education in some areas, and I wouldn't call that facilitating economic mobility.

There's undoubtedly problems with the system, but if you compare countries that have public education systems to those that don't, I think you'll find that most of the ones with public education fare much better in terms of standard of living.

Because the ones that don't have public education systems still fish termites out of rotting wood with twigs? There's no causal relationship. The wealth of this country was established long before a public education system. It's not a chicken or the egg thing, wealth predated public education.

Yes, a lot of things predated public education -- like child labor and slavery.

The wealth of this country was largely founded on slave labor and stealing resources from natives.