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2010-09-03 01:23:06
Phrozenbot
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I think he is saying in comparison. iono

Trotskygrad wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31soldier.html?_r=1

total crap imo

they need MORE cardio, not LESS cardio, if they want more fit soldiers

decreasing runs will only reduce the amount of cardio
Bleh I'm not a registered member to the NYT.

Anyways, this isn't the first time a branch in the military has begun to lean more towards strength training. They want soldiers to be stronger and sprint better, what's wrong with that?
2010-09-03 01:42:41
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Hmmm. In my opinion apart from general fitness PT (eg. running sessions, strength/cardio circuits) the majority of PT should have direct correlation to combat activities (except maybe combat jacks ).

Weight-loaded runs, pack marches, sprinting exercises, lift and carry, climbing, weight loaded swimming etc...

Also,

This.

rdx-fx wrote:

What ever happened to just recycling the fatties through Fat Camp until they could pass weight/tape and do PT with the rest of us?

Recycle until you meet weight, or you quit.
Here (ADFA) if you fail a fitness test you have 90 days in which to pass it or you are kicked out (Unless you can justify why you should be given more time).
At other ADF training establishments, if you fail a PT test you are back-coursed, and you have to repeat all training from the beginning. Pretty good incentive to not fail imo.
2010-09-03 05:08:56
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Varegg wrote:

Soldiers are not supposed to run over a longer distance, short sprints and long walks ...
Plus bunnyhopping.
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2010-09-03 05:22:23
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Should be a lot of endurance training tbh.
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2010-09-03 05:39:27
jord
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There's needs to be a balance. Nothing is more demoralising than constant endurance training.
2010-09-03 06:13:11
Trotskygrad
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Phrozenbot wrote:

I think he is saying in comparison. iono

Trotskygrad wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31soldier.html?_r=1

total crap imo

they need MORE cardio, not LESS cardio, if they want more fit soldiers

decreasing runs will only reduce the amount of cardio
Bleh I'm not a registered member to the NYT.

Anyways, this isn't the first time a branch in the military has begun to lean more towards strength training. They want soldiers to be stronger and sprint better, what's wrong with that?
pff, point is, I think it would be easier for a person who is not that fit to pass these new tests

Sprinting is hella lot easier than jogging a couple miles

also

seems like the exercises are more focused on burning weight and increasing "agility and balance", not strength training.
2010-09-03 06:19:22
Jay
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Varegg wrote:

Soldiers are not supposed to run over a longer distance, short sprints and long walks ...
It's called conditioning...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2010-09-03 06:21:26
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Soldiers are not supposed to run over a longer distance, short sprints and long walks ...
It's called conditioning...
exactly
2010-09-03 06:22:37
Jay
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Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Soldiers are not supposed to run over a longer distance, short sprints and long walks ...
It's called conditioning...
exactly
Yeah, but if you think sprinting is easier, you've never had to run two hours of gassers and suicides with Coach Quackenbush (yes, that's his real name ).
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2010-09-03 06:25:03
jord
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Sprinting and jogging aren't easy but they're nowhere near as hard as tabbing. Or "pack marches" or whatever you call them there.
2010-09-03 06:26:04
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

It's called conditioning...
exactly
Yeah, but if you think sprinting is easier, you've never had to run two hours of gassers and suicides with Coach Quackenbush (yes, that's his real name ).
I've run 2 hours, but with a nice coach.

gassers?

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2010-09-03 06:33:26
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Soldiers are not supposed to run over a longer distance, short sprints and long walks ...
It's called conditioning...
Really?
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2010-09-03 06:34:53
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Varegg wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Soldiers are not supposed to run over a longer distance, short sprints and long walks ...
It's called conditioning...
Really?
conditioning is a general term ish.
2010-09-03 06:37:47
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Trotskygrad wrote:

Varegg wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


It's called conditioning...
Really?
conditioning is a general term ish.
This thread is full of Sherlocks
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2010-09-03 06:39:51
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jord wrote:

Sprinting and jogging aren't easy but they're nowhere near as hard as tabbing. Or "pack marches" or whatever you call them there.
Running suicides for 20 minutes straight will kill a lot of people already lol.
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2010-09-03 06:43:09
Jay
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Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:


exactly
Yeah, but if you think sprinting is easier, you've never had to run two hours of gassers and suicides with Coach Quackenbush (yes, that's his real name ).
I've run 2 hours, but with a nice coach.

gassers?
100 yard sprints.
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2010-09-03 06:56:03
jord
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Cybargs wrote:

jord wrote:

Sprinting and jogging aren't easy but they're nowhere near as hard as tabbing. Or "pack marches" or whatever you call them there.
Running suicides for 20 minutes straight will kill a lot of people already lol.
Yeah but you have to factor in the mental effects. Doing a very hard exercise for 20 minutes with the knowldge that it'll be over soon and you can go and get a hot meal and a shower is easy compared to doing a 4,5,6,7,8 mile tab with full gear at the start of a 5 day excercise in the countryside.
2010-09-03 07:01:13
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jord wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

jord wrote:

Sprinting and jogging aren't easy but they're nowhere near as hard as tabbing. Or "pack marches" or whatever you call them there.
Running suicides for 20 minutes straight will kill a lot of people already lol.
Yeah but you have to factor in the mental effects. Doing a very hard exercise for 20 minutes with the knowldge that it'll be over soon and you can go and get a hot meal and a shower is easy compared to doing a 4,5,6,7,8 mile tab with full gear at the start of a 5 day excercise in the countryside.
suicides for fitness, pack marches for the mental shit m8. It's not if one is better than the other, both are very important tbh.
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2010-09-03 07:04:50
jord
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Cybargs wrote:

jord wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


Running suicides for 20 minutes straight will kill a lot of people already lol.
Yeah but you have to factor in the mental effects. Doing a very hard exercise for 20 minutes with the knowldge that it'll be over soon and you can go and get a hot meal and a shower is easy compared to doing a 4,5,6,7,8 mile tab with full gear at the start of a 5 day excercise in the countryside.
suicides for fitness, pack marches for the mental shit m8. It's not if one is better than the other, both are very important tbh.
It depends what were comparing them on. From a pure military standpoint, battle PT is the most useful, and probably the hardest.

Ie tabbing, lifting and carrying people, running forward in bounds then hitting the floor and repeating,casualty evacuation on a stretcher, etc.
2010-09-03 07:08:03
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Trotskygrad wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

I think he is saying in comparison. iono

Trotskygrad wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31soldier.html?_r=1

total crap imo

they need MORE cardio, not LESS cardio, if they want more fit soldiers

decreasing runs will only reduce the amount of cardio
Bleh I'm not a registered member to the NYT.

Anyways, this isn't the first time a branch in the military has begun to lean more towards strength training. They want soldiers to be stronger and sprint better, what's wrong with that?
pff, point is, I think it would be easier for a person who is not that fit to pass these new tests

Sprinting is hella lot easier than jogging a couple miles

also

seems like the exercises are more focused on burning weight and increasing "agility and balance", not strength training.
I read a similar article a while back that said the Army was revamping training, much like this article and recall it mentioning strength training. It is not just them either.

Back when I was really out of shape, I was terrible at sprinting. I'd prefer to run though my knees kill me after a while.
2010-09-03 07:12:01
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Yeah, but if you think sprinting is easier, you've never had to run two hours of gassers and suicides with Coach Quackenbush (yes, that's his real name ).
I've run 2 hours, but with a nice coach.

gassers?
100 yard sprints.
how much cooldown?

did you do ladders?
(100 sprint, 100 walk, 200 sprint, 200 walk, etc up to 600 or so, then back down)

I had to do those, not that hard.

but suicides for 20 min straight with no cooldown...

that's hardcore.

I don't find loaded hiking/marching that hard, I've hiked over 30 miles in a day with a 70-80 pound pack. Trick is keeping hydrated.

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2010-09-03 07:19:15
jord
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Its a lot easier off your own back than being forced to when you really just do not want to. Ie ill at 8am in the pouring rain after 3 hours sleep and no proper meal...
2010-09-03 07:33:18
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Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

I've run 2 hours, but with a nice coach.

gassers?
100 yard sprints.
how much cooldown?

did you do ladders?
(100 sprint, 100 walk, 200 sprint, 200 walk, etc up to 600 or so, then back down)

I had to do those, not that hard.

but suicides for 20 min straight with no cooldown...

that's hardcore.

I don't find loaded hiking/marching that hard, I've hiked over 30 miles in a day with a 70-80 pound pack. Trick is keeping hydrated.
It was every Monday when I played football. Conditioning day. Suicides(ladders) for an hour of 5 or 10 yard intervals of sprint/jog. Then we always finished up Mondays with 10-15 100 yard sprints with only enough cooldown to allow the lines to clear. So, however long it takes 3 people to run the length, that was the cooldown period.

I went to a tiny private school and we played in the public school league for sports so we always had to be in tremendous shape to even be close to competitive. While I was there we made the playoffs 3 times, after my class graduated the school has won 3 games in the past 11 years

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2010-09-03 10:12:38
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company sized indian runs are motherfuckers
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2010-09-03 10:35:57
Jay
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eleven bravo wrote:

company sized indian runs are motherfuckers
I liked them better than formation runs.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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