Fair enough. I'm not saying most Obama supporters are well informed either -- although most of them aren't quite as fanatical or crazy.FEOS wrote:
Take any group of people in the US, of any political persuasion, and your assessment would be statistically accurate.Turquoise wrote:
I find it more sad than anything, but the best explanation is misplaced anger. Half of these people probably don't have a working knowledge of the Constitution.mikkel wrote:
This whole thing is great. These pompous demagogues organise a "non-political honor rally" and spend hours pandering to their core voters, and taking subtle and not-so-subtle jabs at the political opposition. Why do people buy in to this bullshit?
tbhTurquoise wrote:
Fair enough. I'm not saying most Obama supporters are well informed either -- although most of them aren't quite as fanatical or crazy.FEOS wrote:
Take any group of people in the US, of any political persuasion, and your assessment would be statistically accurate.Turquoise wrote:
I find it more sad than anything, but the best explanation is misplaced anger. Half of these people probably don't have a working knowledge of the Constitution.
ffs, one person said something like "most countries wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the US" (not a exact quote)
Turquoise wrote:
Fair enough. I'm not saying most Obama supporters are well informed either -- although most of them aren't quite as fanatical or crazy.FEOS wrote:
Take any group of people in the US, of any political persuasion, and your assessment would be statistically accurate.Turquoise wrote:
I find it more sad than anything, but the best explanation is misplaced anger. Half of these people probably don't have a working knowledge of the Constitution.
Whatever.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
When you're able to find a massive rally involving those types, then we can compare.DBBrinson1 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jITurquoise wrote:
Fair enough. I'm not saying most Obama supporters are well informed either -- although most of them aren't quite as fanatical or crazy.FEOS wrote:
Take any group of people in the US, of any political persuasion, and your assessment would be statistically accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
Whatever.
One is a radical political group and the other is the common OB voter.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Considering how many moderates voted for Obama, I don't think the latter assumption is accurate.DBBrinson1 wrote:
One is a radical political group and the other is the common OB voter.
There is a whole bucket of wrong in that statement. They are just as fanatical and crazy in their own way. The critical thought train sailed long ago.Turquoise wrote:
Fair enough. I'm not saying most Obama supporters are well informed either -- although most of them aren't quite as fanatical or crazy.FEOS wrote:
Take any group of people in the US, of any political persuasion, and your assessment would be statistically accurate.Turquoise wrote:
I find it more sad than anything, but the best explanation is misplaced anger. Half of these people probably don't have a working knowledge of the Constitution.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
What makes you think the massive rally on Saturday consisted primarily of "those types"? Nice stereotyping you're doing there, Turq.Turquoise wrote:
When you're able to find a massive rally involving those types, then we can compare.DBBrinson1 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jITurquoise wrote:
Fair enough. I'm not saying most Obama supporters are well informed either -- although most of them aren't quite as fanatical or crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
Whatever.
If statistics alone play any role, there had to be a large number of "those types" there on Inauguration Day, as you had a large group of people gathered who ostensibly supported Obama. In any large crowd, there will be outliers. And that's who attention focuses on.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
What's even more funny is that the Huffington Post was looking to find shit on Beck, and willing to pay 100K for it. The asswipes even did a huge photo shoot of it making fun of the attire these protesters. It's all they could do. They wanted to do more. They were hoping for a confrontation.
-But I didn't hear the first word about them being racist. Has the lefts media been projecting a false image of these guys? Appears so.
-But I didn't hear the first word about them being racist. Has the lefts media been projecting a false image of these guys? Appears so.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
To be honest, I'm not sure if "crazy" really is an outlier among Americans in general.FEOS wrote:
What makes you think the massive rally on Saturday consisted primarily of "those types"? Nice stereotyping you're doing there, Turq.Turquoise wrote:
When you're able to find a massive rally involving those types, then we can compare.DBBrinson1 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU
Whatever.
If statistics alone play any role, there had to be a large number of "those types" there on Inauguration Day, as you had a large group of people gathered who ostensibly supported Obama. In any large crowd, there will be outliers. And that's who attention focuses on.
It absolutely is. It's just not an outlier in what's reported. That's the problem.Turquoise wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure if "crazy" really is an outlier among Americans in general.FEOS wrote:
What makes you think the massive rally on Saturday consisted primarily of "those types"? Nice stereotyping you're doing there, Turq.Turquoise wrote:
When you're able to find a massive rally involving those types, then we can compare.
If statistics alone play any role, there had to be a large number of "those types" there on Inauguration Day, as you had a large group of people gathered who ostensibly supported Obama. In any large crowd, there will be outliers. And that's who attention focuses on.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Here's part of why I'm assuming that Beck's crowd is more extremist on average than Obama's crowd. Obama mostly aims for moderate policies. The only reason some people perceive him as being leftist is because the GOP has moved so far to the right in recent years.FEOS wrote:
It absolutely is. It's just not an outlier in what's reported. That's the problem.Turquoise wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure if "crazy" really is an outlier among Americans in general.FEOS wrote:
What makes you think the massive rally on Saturday consisted primarily of "those types"? Nice stereotyping you're doing there, Turq.
If statistics alone play any role, there had to be a large number of "those types" there on Inauguration Day, as you had a large group of people gathered who ostensibly supported Obama. In any large crowd, there will be outliers. And that's who attention focuses on.
Beck's primary audience is right wing extremists. Tea Party members are also more conservative than the average person by a long shot.
So when you have a rally headed by a right wing nutjob like Beck, it logically follows that a lot of the participants will be the same.
McVay was a right wing extremist, the Klan is another extremist group. The Tea Party People are NOT extremists contrary to what Oberman says.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Moderate and extremist are based on one's perspective. To a European, Obama probably seems like a moderate. To an American, he most certainly does not. Obama has settled for more moderate policies. That does not mean that he aims for them.Turquoise wrote:
Here's part of why I'm assuming that Beck's crowd is more extremist on average than Obama's crowd. Obama mostly aims for moderate policies. The only reason some people perceive him as being leftist is because the GOP has moved so far to the right in recent years.FEOS wrote:
It absolutely is. It's just not an outlier in what's reported. That's the problem.Turquoise wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure if "crazy" really is an outlier among Americans in general.
Beck's primary audience is right wing extremists. Tea Party members are also more conservative than the average person by a long shot.
So when you have a rally headed by a right wing nutjob like Beck, it logically follows that a lot of the participants will be the same.
Beck's audience consists of a broad spectrum of the conservative side of American politics. Your assessment that his audience is "primary(ily) right wing extremists" shows that you do not have a grasp of Beck or his audience.
To say Tea Party members are more conservative than the average person is easy. I can do that too: Democrat Party members are more liberal than the average person. Because the average person is centrist. That doesn't mean anything.
To call Beck a "right wing nutjob" shows you have not bothered to listen to anything other than select soundbites. If you do that with anyone, they sound like a nutjob.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Ok then... I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree, although I admittedly share more in common with the average Canadian than the average American on a lot of topics. I just think America has been moving in a right wing direction for the last few decades, and it makes the rest of the First World rather concerned -- especially when viewing our foreign policy as well.FEOS wrote:
Moderate and extremist are based on one's perspective. To a European, Obama probably seems like a moderate. To an American, he most certainly does not. Obama has settled for more moderate policies. That does not mean that he aims for them.
Beck's audience consists of a broad spectrum of the conservative side of American politics. Your assessment that his audience is "primary(ily) right wing extremists" shows that you do not have a grasp of Beck or his audience.
To say Tea Party members are more conservative than the average person is easy. I can do that too: Democrat Party members are more liberal than the average person. Because the average person is centrist. That doesn't mean anything.
To call Beck a "right wing nutjob" shows you have not bothered to listen to anything other than select soundbites. If you do that with anyone, they sound like a nutjob.
If you're suggesting that Beck's audience is more moderate than I'm perceiving, then I'd say the rest of the world has a lot to worry about coming from America in general. I have listened to a lot of what he's said, and the guy scares the shit out of me.
It scares me even more that someone like yourself would actually give him any credit.
From Braddock's Facebook.
It scares me that you would dismiss someone without having actually listened to them for more than a handful of minutes.Turquoise wrote:
Ok then... I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree, although I admittedly share more in common with the average Canadian than the average American on a lot of topics. I just think America has been moving in a right wing direction for the last few decades, and it makes the rest of the First World rather concerned -- especially when viewing our foreign policy as well.FEOS wrote:
Moderate and extremist are based on one's perspective. To a European, Obama probably seems like a moderate. To an American, he most certainly does not. Obama has settled for more moderate policies. That does not mean that he aims for them.
Beck's audience consists of a broad spectrum of the conservative side of American politics. Your assessment that his audience is "primary(ily) right wing extremists" shows that you do not have a grasp of Beck or his audience.
To say Tea Party members are more conservative than the average person is easy. I can do that too: Democrat Party members are more liberal than the average person. Because the average person is centrist. That doesn't mean anything.
To call Beck a "right wing nutjob" shows you have not bothered to listen to anything other than select soundbites. If you do that with anyone, they sound like a nutjob.
If you're suggesting that Beck's audience is more moderate than I'm perceiving, then I'd say the rest of the world has a lot to worry about coming from America in general. I have listened to a lot of what he's said, and the guy scares the shit out of me.
It scares me even more that someone like yourself would actually give him any credit.
It's not like I'm a "Beckite". I just don't dismiss everything he's saying because there are a few nutjobs who think he's the second coming.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Saw this on the internet
nice try - there was barely any litter when the whole thing was over - you'd be pressed to find a more respect full and law abiding bunch of people.Phrozenbot wrote:
Yup, no illegal immigrants. They might get tar and feathered.
To be fair, if you got 10,000 50+ year olds from any political background together I wouldn't expect there to be much litter.
And you could take the low points from years of MLK's life and compare them to high points from years of Beck's life and it would make MLK look like a douchebag. That's the great thing about irrelevant facts on the internet.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
The question is... what are Beck's high points? (if any)FEOS wrote:
And you could take the low points from years of MLK's life and compare them to high points from years of Beck's life and it would make MLK look like a douchebag. That's the great thing about irrelevant facts on the internet.
Allegedly raping and murdering a young girl in 1990.Turquoise wrote:
The question is... what are Beck's high points? (if any)FEOS wrote:
And you could take the low points from years of MLK's life and compare them to high points from years of Beck's life and it would make MLK look like a douchebag. That's the great thing about irrelevant facts on the internet.
you know, I heard that.Doctor Strangelove wrote:
Allegedly raping and murdering a young girl in 1990.Turquoise wrote:
The question is... what are Beck's high points? (if any)
bet one of lowings relatives were interviewed in there.