11 Bravo wrote:
if an ad persuades you to join the military then you are exactly what some of the responses to the OP describes
this convinced me
this convinced me
Does Austria have an army to protect it from the Swiss?cl4u53w1t2 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhZjFpO902E11 Bravo wrote:
if an ad persuades you to join the military then you are exactly what some of the responses to the OP describes
this convinced me
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Looks like a ripoff from the ukranian onecl4u53w1t2 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhZjFpO902E11 Bravo wrote:
if an ad persuades you to join the military then you are exactly what some of the responses to the OP describes
this convinced me
british military commercials are pretty well done but you still know they're picking up the unqualified drop-outs of our society...
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I'd agree the majority of enlisted ranks have no real formal qualifications or academia experiance but I wouldn't call them drop outs.
jord in england the people that join the army at basic entry-level are the people that would be doing plumbing apprenticeships for 7 years if they didn't have the military as a 'career option'. the people with qualifications skip the shit and go straight to officer's school where the 'real' career and 'real' money is at. i don't really know how you can lie to yourself about the common stereotypical english army recruit.
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Uzique wrote:
jord in england the people that join the army at basic entry-level are the people that would be doing plumbing apprenticeships for 7 years if they didn't have the military as a 'career option'. the people with qualifications skip the shit and go straight to officer's school where the 'real' career and 'real' money is at. i don't really know how you can lie to yourself about the common stereotypical english army recruit.
Duke of Wellington wrote:
A French army is composed very differently from ours. The conscription calls out a share of every class — no matter whether your son or my son — all must march; but our friends — I may say it in this room — are the very scum of the earth. People talk of their enlisting from their fine military feeling — all stuff — no such thing. Some of our men enlist from having got bastard children — some for minor offences — many more for drink; but you can hardly conceive such a set brought together, and it really is wonderful that we should have made them the fine fellows they are.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Yea, once a poor sod, always a poor sod.
I'm not lying to myself, I already agreed enlisted ranks would have little prospects or indeed qualifications. I just don't agree they're dropouts is all, to higher education, apprenticships or otherwise.Uzique wrote:
jord in england the people that join the army at basic entry-level are the people that would be doing plumbing apprenticeships for 7 years if they didn't have the military as a 'career option'. the people with qualifications skip the shit and go straight to officer's school where the 'real' career and 'real' money is at. i don't really know how you can lie to yourself about the common stereotypical english army recruit.
just cause america isn't old enough to have old posh fucks making similar quotes, JG, doesn't mean your recruitment pool are any finer grade . as the OP documentary explicitly investigates, many of the US army's recruits during the height of the Iraq campaign were social outcasts, fuck-ups, ex-drug addicts, ex-convicted criminals, even ex-murderers. the military gives these "scum of the earth" a legal way to go shoot people.
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ya i had to share rooms with some real nutjobs tbh
I wasn't turning it into an America vs British thing. I happen to agree with Wellington and think it's rather universally applied to all volunteer armies. It seemed like half of my platoon was composed of former juvenile delinquents and drug dealers trying to reform themselves. And these were all people that joined pre-9/11.Uzique wrote:
just cause america isn't old enough to have old posh fucks making similar quotes, JG, doesn't mean your recruitment pool are any finer grade . as the OP documentary explicitly investigates, many of the US army's recruits during the height of the Iraq campaign were social outcasts, fuck-ups, ex-drug addicts, ex-convicted criminals, even ex-murderers. the military gives these "scum of the earth" a legal way to go shoot people.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
This is interesting..Uzique wrote:
british military commercials are pretty well done but you still know they're picking up the unqualified drop-outs of our society...
Because, I don't see this in the ADF. Sure, there are alot of enlisted guys with nothing more than a high school education, but because we are such a small force, recruiting can be fairly strict. (eg. Drug use or any criminal record is pretty much an instant rejection, aptitude and maths tests fail many more). Also, now days as an officer you are expected to have a degree, and if you want to be a staff officer (major(e) or above) you are going to need at least a masters.
However, some really crazy people still manage to get in.
(DISCLAIMER: this isn't a "woohoo yerr Australia" post, just a interesting observation to me)
well the english military probably has one of the most elitist and snobby officer+ hierarchy. our military officer academies and most of the top-ranking echelons of the military are very much a closed-circuit of 'old boys' that went to the 'right' schools and have all the 'right' qualifications and 'right' qualities (i.e. connections in the club). im just talking about the infantry ranks-- the people that will be on the ground.
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