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JohnG@lt wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

fundamentalist christian libertarians

oxymoron.

this is how the teabaggers are trying to wiggle their way in to the "mainstream" of politics.  They're reanimating the corpse of christian conservatism.  drastic times and muslim presidents call for drastic measures.

Reciprocity wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

fundamentalist christian libertarians

oxymoron.

this is how the teabaggers are trying to wiggle their way in to the "mainstream" of politics.  They're reanimating the corpse of christian conservatism.  drastic times and muslim presidents call for drastic measures.

They don't even know what it means to be fiscally conservative.

11 Bravo wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

this is how the teabaggers are trying to wiggle their way in to the "mainstream" of politics.  They're reanimating the corpse of christian conservatism.  drastic times and muslim presidents call for drastic measures.

They don't even know what it means to be fiscally conservative.

not too many people do

What's your definition? (not picking on you, just curious)

11 Bravo wrote:

low debt and a balanced budget

Would you cut programs or simply raise taxes?

11 Bravo wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

low debt and a balanced budget

Would you cut programs or simply raise taxes?

cut programs

Which ones? If you cut Medicare or Social Security you will lose the seniors support and votes in the next election. If you cut military spending you will lose the support of the flag wavers. These three take up about 2/3 of the federal budget alone...

Reciprocity wrote:

get rid of social security, medicare/medicaid and public education.  It's all pure socialism.

Yes to the first two, but for different reasons than you are used to hearing...

11 Bravo wrote:

military can use so much fat trimming its amazing.  and farm subsidies need adjustment.

What will you trade the flag wavers for their votes in order to get them to not abandon you in the next election?

11 Bravo wrote:

... and farm subsidies need adjustment.

You know the government pays you NOT to grow a particular crop?

if you cut medicare all the old people die so you don't have to worry about social security.  Two old, dead birds with one stone.

less bases less manpower....

Reciprocity wrote:

if you cut medicare all the old people die so you don't have to worry about social security.  Two old, dead birds with one stone.

No, I wouldn't cut it outright. I'd grandfather it to anyone currently 40 years old or older. They paid into it, they should get their moneys worth.

The reason I dislike SS and Medicare isn't because they're underfunded and the money comes out of general taxation. I dislike that tremendously as well but my primary issue is this: People expect these programs to be there for them when they retire so far too many people have a blase approach to their retirement. We have a serious dearth of saving in this country and a commensurately serious 'live for the moment' attitude. People need to be responsible for their own retirement, their own investments, and stop financing everything on credit. Instead, what we have is a country full of economic morons who can't balance a checkbook because they really don't have to. Get in financial trouble, default, and they can't do shit to you. There's no debtors prison. The bill collectors can call you for the next century and all you have to do is screen your calls and ignore them.

The single biggest reason that people struggle financially in this country isn't the fucking wealth disparity or any other such nonsense. It's because we stopped teaching economics in school in favor of more literature classes. People drop thousands of dollars onto their credit cards without giving it a second thought. Most of them don't even realize that they end up paying for whatever they purchased twice or more times due to interest.

The government stepping in and giving people a helping hand has made them dependent and stupid. Best intentions etc...

Harmor wrote:

My solution for Social Security requires a multi-step approach for different age groups:

• Age 18-54: Allow them to divert their payments into their 401K
• Age 55-64: Allow them to divert their payments into 401K or continue in the current system.  Offer them a tax write off on the amount of money they have already contributed into the program - (would work like capital loss they can write off each year until its depleated).
• Age 65+: Allow them to stay on the program as is or to convert their payments into tax credits that they can use for themselves or against their estate for purposes of reducing the net worth of any inheritance they wish to leave.

Converting all government workers to a 401K system would also help alot.  Soon 50% of the budgets in parts of California are going to just paying into the Pension system...

Just shut up. You don't even know what you're talking about. If I wanted to read what Glenn Beck's thoughts are on the subject I'd watch his show.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Harmor wrote:

My solution for Social Security requires a multi-step approach for different age groups:

• Age 18-54: Allow them to divert their payments into their 401K
• Age 55-64: Allow them to divert their payments into 401K or continue in the current system.  Offer them a tax write off on the amount of money they have already contributed into the program - (would work like capital loss they can write off each year until its depleated).
• Age 65+: Allow them to stay on the program as is or to convert their payments into tax credits that they can use for themselves or against their estate for purposes of reducing the net worth of any inheritance they wish to leave.

Converting all government workers to a 401K system would also help alot.  Soon 50% of the budgets in parts of California are going to just paying into the Pension system...

Just shut up. You don't even know what you're talking about. If I wanted to read what Glenn Beck's thoughts are on the subject I'd watch his show.

Would you believe I never watch his show on Fox?  And only listened to his radio program like twice?  What I wrote had nothing to do with what Glen Beck believes on this subject.  Personally, I don't know his exact position on this.  Was simply responding with my solution to Social Security.