historically its never quite worked out for white folk. As you were...It worked out pretty fucking great for white people just not the recipeint of the shitty trade.
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Natives did pretty good with it for hundreds of years. My kid does ok with it in kindergarden at lunch but we are white so I validate my point. Yesterday he got a moonpie AND Scooby Doo fruit snacks from some kid and he gave up 2 pieces of gum and some shitshow cookies my wife baked.
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So Im either right or Puerto Ricans are shitty snackers.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Natives did pretty good with it for hundreds of years. My kid does ok with it in kindergarden at lunch but we are white so I validate my point. Yesterday he got a moonpie AND Scooby Doo fruit snacks from some kid and he gave up 2 pieces of gum and some shitshow cookies my wife baked.
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Even they used stuff like wampum to facilitate trades. Money is just more convenient to a ridiculous extent than a barter system.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Natives did pretty good with it for hundreds of years. My kid does ok with it in kindergarden at lunch but we are white so I validate my point. Yesterday he got a moonpie AND Scooby Doo fruit snacks from some kid and he gave up 2 pieces of gum and some shitshow cookies my wife baked.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
er, what?Reciprocity wrote:
It will be combined UN forces
Fuck Israel
Not really. Wampum wasnt factored in until the Dutch came through New England and had the means to catch beaver in mass quantities due to their technology. Wampum was usually shells and exotic rocks the Pequots used for "bling". They hardly used it amongst themselves as currency.That is until white people came creating a demand for it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Even they used stuff like wampum to facilitate trades. Money is just more convenient to a ridiculous extent than a barter system.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Natives did pretty good with it for hundreds of years. My kid does ok with it in kindergarden at lunch but we are white so I validate my point. Yesterday he got a moonpie AND Scooby Doo fruit snacks from some kid and he gave up 2 pieces of gum and some shitshow cookies my wife baked.
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don't question it. just prepare.Dilbert_X wrote:
er, what?Reciprocity wrote:
It will be combined UN forces
Right, but you're talking about very small subsistence societies where everyone was responsible for gathering food. I can trade you an axe for a pipe, and we're both happy because they fill a need. This is all small scale though.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Not really. Wampum wasnt factored in until the Dutch came through New England and had the means to catch beaver in mass quantities due to their technology. Wampum was usually shells and exotic rocks the Pequots used for "bling". They hardly used it amongst themselves as currency.That is until white people came creating a demand for it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Even they used stuff like wampum to facilitate trades. Money is just more convenient to a ridiculous extent than a barter system.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Natives did pretty good with it for hundreds of years. My kid does ok with it in kindergarden at lunch but we are white so I validate my point. Yesterday he got a moonpie AND Scooby Doo fruit snacks from some kid and he gave up 2 pieces of gum and some shitshow cookies my wife baked.
How would a barter system work in a current small town? How would you pay a doctor for his services? With food? What if he already has enough food for the entire year from previous customers? Do you give him a car because he performed an intricate surgery? How do you get the car? Do you bring food to the dealership? Ok, now how do you know it's a car he actually wants? Do you bring him fifty gallons of gas for a checkup? Hope the gas station needs your corn. It's much easier to sell your corn, receive money in exchange, hand money to the doctor, and let him spend that money as he pleases and needs. All money is, is a medium of transfer. Nothing more, nothing less. If you earn $10 an hour at your job, every $10 bill in your pocket represents an hour of your time. So, you replace time spent in the fields, with time spent at whatever job you have, and have money to show for it.
Most people who want to replace money with something else feel this way because they've attached emotions like greed or selfishness to money. Those are traits of people, not money. Money has no traits.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You just summed it up bud....We live beyond our means. Im talking about having the basic essentials to survive and not much more. It's something I would prefer, not most.
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I have one bad ass survival kit; first aid to medical tools.
I think we should all have one.
I think we should all have one.
So go live on a hippie commune somewhere. I have zero desire to go back to life as a caveman.deeznutz1245 wrote:
You just summed it up bud....We live beyond our means. Im talking about having the basic essentials to survive and not much more. It's something I would prefer, not most.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Theres a reason why since the dawn of civilization humans have moved away from nature and into cities.JohnG@lt wrote:
So go live on a hippie commune somewhere. I have zero desire to go back to life as a caveman.deeznutz1245 wrote:
You just summed it up bud....We live beyond our means. Im talking about having the basic essentials to survive and not much more. It's something I would prefer, not most.
Because all Apple stores are in cities?Cybargs wrote:
Theres a reason why since the dawn of civilization humans have moved away from nature and into cities.JohnG@lt wrote:
So go live on a hippie commune somewhere. I have zero desire to go back to life as a caveman.deeznutz1245 wrote:
You just summed it up bud....We live beyond our means. Im talking about having the basic essentials to survive and not much more. It's something I would prefer, not most.
Of course, life in the state of nature is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short".Cybargs wrote:
Theres a reason why since the dawn of civilization humans have moved away from nature and into cities.JohnG@lt wrote:
So go live on a hippie commune somewhere. I have zero desire to go back to life as a caveman.deeznutz1245 wrote:
You just summed it up bud....We live beyond our means. Im talking about having the basic essentials to survive and not much more. It's something I would prefer, not most.
Only a moron would lament society and dream of living in a cave, expending his entire thought process on the absolute needs of survival. The height of irony is that he made such a ridiculous statement while using the ultra-modern technology that is personal computers and the internet.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
First off, lets get something straight. I fucking hate hippies. I bathe, Im republican and I am employed.JohnG@lt wrote:
So go live on a hippie commune somewhere. I have zero desire to go back to life as a caveman.
What is it? Is it because they can trade shit with other people who have other things? Or does it have something to do with the fact most major cities originated as trading ports that are near bodies of water?Cybargs wrote:
Theres a reason why since the dawn of civilization humans have moved away from nature and into cities.
Actually I did it from my iphone thank you. However, the problem is just that. The only reason we would spend most of our thought process on surviving is because we as humans have become domesticated and can no longer employ basic survival skills. Our technology is great, and I use it every day without a doubt. But only a true moron would honestly believe that our resources are tangible and unlimited. It probably wont happen in our lifetime, but some of us have children and cant help but wonder when that day will come when everything runs out. Most of you computer dependant little fat asses will be dead, and the sad part is deep down you know it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Only a moron would lament society and dream of living in a cave, expending his entire thought process on the absolute needs of survival. The height of irony is that he made such a ridiculous statement while using the ultra-modern technology that is personal computers and the internet.
edit: besides, I love the irony in the fact Im told im the caveman right after Im enlightened as to why people have always moved towards cities. Um, you live in fucking Queens which is a bigger shit show of a jungle than Jurassic Park. I would love to compare the crime rate of your residence versus my more rural town. Not that you wrote that, but I love the consistency in the logic.
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Aaaaannnndd the ad hominem begins!
Do you grow your own food, by chance?
I don't see why people are advocating abolishing paper money/coins.
Me? To an extent. We have a vegetable garden so we usually dont have to buy any unless it's something we want and dont have like asparugus or something. I also allow one of the farmers to use some of my property for his cattle so he could expand. In return a get two cows a year. I know how to dress an animal because I hunt but I honestly have no clue how to butcher a cow so they do it for me. Im sure if I had to I could learn. My wife and I make our own pasta and bake our own bread. Its not that we're hippies, its just that we dont like processed food and are conscious about our health. Since our second child she stays at home so we have time to do all this stuff.Phrozenbot wrote:
Do you grow your own food, by chance?
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What do you consider "basic survival skills"?deeznutz1245 wrote:
The only reason we would spend most of our thought process on surviving is because we as humans have become domesticated and can no longer employ basic survival skills.
Staying aliveSenorToenails wrote:
What do you consider "basic survival skills"?deeznutz1245 wrote:
The only reason we would spend most of our thought process on surviving is because we as humans have become domesticated and can no longer employ basic survival skills.
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Those are all good habits. Cooking your own food, hunting, growing your own garden, making use of your land by allowing a rancher to use it. +1deeznutz1245 wrote:
Me? To an extent. We have a vegetable garden so we usually dont have to buy any unless it's something we want and dont have like asparugus or something. I also allow one of the farmers to use some of my property for his cattle so he could expand. In return a get two cows a year. I know how to dress an animal because I hunt but I honestly have no clue how to butcher a cow so they do it for me. Im sure if I had to I could learn. My wife and I make our own pasta and bake our own bread. Its not that we're hippies, its just that we dont like processed food and are conscious about our health. Since our second child she stays at home so we have time to do all this stuff.Phrozenbot wrote:
Do you grow your own food, by chance?
You're missing the whole point of the society we live in. No one can perform all of the tasks that we require in our daily lives by themself. Could I cultivate my own food? Sure. But I can't drill the oil, refine it, and ship it to where I live by myself. Since I can't do these things, I'm reduced to plowing my fields with horses or oxen. Yes, it was done for thousands of years, but at what cost in terms of hours wasted vs powering up a combine and having it plant and harvest for me? Then there is the problem of mining and refining the iron ore necessary to create my plow and harnesses, the nails to build my home etc. We are completely and utterly dependent on each other for survival. This doesn't make us weaker as a species or individuals, it just reflects reality.deeznutz1245 wrote:
First off, lets get something straight. I fucking hate hippies. I bathe, Im republican and I am employed.JohnG@lt wrote:
So go live on a hippie commune somewhere. I have zero desire to go back to life as a caveman.What is it? Is it because they can trade shit with other people who have other things? Or does it have something to do with the fact most major cities originated as trading ports that are near bodies of water?Cybargs wrote:
Theres a reason why since the dawn of civilization humans have moved away from nature and into cities.Actually I did it from my iphone thank you. However, the problem is just that. The only reason we would spend most of our thought process on surviving is because we as humans have become domesticated and can no longer employ basic survival skills. Our technology is great, and I use it every day without a doubt. But only a true moron would honestly believe that our resources are tangible and unlimited. It probably wont happen in our lifetime, but some of us have children and cant help but wonder when that day will come when everything runs out. Most of you computer dependant little fat asses will be dead, and the sad part is deep down you know it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Only a moron would lament society and dream of living in a cave, expending his entire thought process on the absolute needs of survival. The height of irony is that he made such a ridiculous statement while using the ultra-modern technology that is personal computers and the internet.
edit: besides, I love the irony in the fact Im told im the caveman right after Im enlightened as to why people have always moved towards cities. Um, you live in fucking Queens which is a bigger shit show of a jungle than Jurassic Park. I would love to compare the crime rate of your residence versus my more rural town. Not that you wrote that, but I love the consistency in the logic.
Think of all the items you use on a daily basis, and then think of the labor that went into creating them. Do you possess the knowledge or skill required to create any of them? What about the effort that went into producing the raw materials? If your idyllic life consists of scratch farming with stone tools, have at it. None of us will try to stop you. You talk like a survivalist but I bet that for 99% of the stuff in your bugout kit, you wouldn't be able to recreate on your own.
And good job thinking that where I currently live has any bearing on my skills as a human being. Here's the difference between the two of us in a nutshell. If society were to collapse, you'd go raid the nearest gun shop for rifles and ammunition. I'd run to the nearest library and raid it for How To books so I could rebuild society. Then I'd hit the gun shop, and I guarantee that I am a better shot than you are
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That doesn't answer the question at all.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Staying aliveSenorToenails wrote:
What do you consider "basic survival skills"?deeznutz1245 wrote:
The only reason we would spend most of our thought process on surviving is because we as humans have become domesticated and can no longer employ basic survival skills.
This is how humans have developed so far so quickly.JohnG@lt wrote:
You're missing the whole point of the society we live in. No one can perform all of the tasks that we require in our daily lives by themself. Could I cultivate my own food? Sure. But I can't drill the oil, refine it, and ship it to where I live by myself. Since I can't do these things, I'm reduced to plowing my fields with horses or oxen. Yes, it was done for thousands of years, but at what cost in terms of hours wasted vs powering up a combine and having it plant and harvest for me? Then there is the problem of mining and refining the iron ore necessary to create my plow and harnesses, the nails to build my home etc. We are completely and utterly dependent on each other for survival. This doesn't make us weaker as a species or individuals, it just reflects reality.