BF2S Forums Did the Crusader states ever really have a chance?

JohnG@lt wrote:

There's no way they could've ever maintained a large enough population to hold what they took. The only reason the invasion was successful is because the large part of the force was trained warriors. You can't maintain a large host of warriors on the backs of the few peasants that would've tilled the land there. And even if you could maintain the funding necessary, there isn't a soldier in the world that fights better as a mercenary than he does in support of his own home.

Doomed from the start.

Mekstizzle wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I think if it hadn't been for the Mongols, Europe would have been in dire straits.

If Europe hadn't already been taken over by Christianity which sort of 'United' it against the similar religion of Islam (especially back then), I think they (Muslims) would have taken over Europe. Religions like Christianity and Islam were/are just waiting to take over the world. The only difference for Europe is that Christianity came first and took over the continent quickly and easily. 'Pagan' Native European religions never really stood a chance against the organisation, wealth and power of religions like Christianity. Which then brought about the ability for Europe to fight off another similar religion in the name of Islam (in terms of organisation, power and wealth)

ATG wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

If Europe hadn't already been taken over by Christianity which sort of 'United' it against the similar religion of Islam (especially back then), I think they (Muslims) would have taken over Europe. Religions like Christianity and Islam were/are just waiting to take over the world. The only difference for Europe is that Christianity came first and took over the continent quickly and easily. 'Pagan' Native European religions never really stood a chance against the organisation, wealth and power of religions like Christianity. Which then brought about the ability for Europe to fight off another similar religion in the name of Islam (in terms of organisation, power and wealth)

You gotta note the influence of the Romans in regards of spreading Christianity in the early 400 AD.

Look even further.

What authority established the right of sucsessionand determined who became the Pope?

It is sad that the true teachings of Jesus Christ have been lost in a political clusterfuck ever after he was allegedly executed. The Roman officials may well have simply seized the popularity of Jesus and perverted it for their own political power.

Jesus and his follwers taught that the masss were dead. They could be baptized, accept a higher power ( christ as lord ) and be born again, or ressurected.

To be spiritually awakened or born again was something all men, like Jesus could be.  That explains the origins of the catholicchurch, who murdered Christ or faked his death and then perverted his concept of metapyhsica ressurection that anyone could acheive to a literal resserection, where he arose from the tomb, and it explains the mormon church who understand that they too can be like Christ.

I believe Jesus Christ was a real person. He was considered a wizard by the Jews, a magician to the gypsies, a prophet to the muslims and Lord to th Christian public.

His true teachings are lost in time.

Thank you.

Last edited by oChaos.Haze (2010-08-26 00:53:03)

oChaos.Haze wrote:

ATG wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

You gotta note the influence of the Romans in regards of spreading Christianity in the early 400 AD.

Look even further.

What authority established the right of sucsessionand determined who became the Pope?

It is sad that the true teachings of Jesus Christ have been lost in a political clusterfuck ever after he was allegedly executed. The Roman officials may well have simply seized the popularity of Jesus and perverted it for their own political power.

Jesus and his follwers taught that the masss were dead. They could be baptized, accept a higher power ( christ as lord ) and be born again, or ressurected.

To be spiritually awakened or born again was something all men, like Jesus could be.  That explains the origins of the catholicchurch, who murdered Christ or faked his death and then perverted his concept of metapyhsica ressurection that anyone could acheive to a literal resserection, where he arose from the tomb, and it explains the mormon church who understand that they too can be like Christ.

I believe Jesus Christ was a real person. He was considered a wizard by the Jews, a magician to the gypsies, a prophet to the muslims and Lord to th Christian public.

His true teachings are lost in time.

Thank you.

Jesus was a reinterpretation of various pagan mysteries.   There are COUNTLESS "sons of god" born to a virgin mother, who died and rose 3 days after, riding into town on a donkey with palm leaves waving, who preached poverty, love, compassion, healing, could turn water into wine, died to save mankind from his failed ways, ascending to heaven to be with father after life on earth, all shockingly ending with the letters "us", sometimes "is".  This story is nothing new, the pagans had this story on lockdown LONG before, and the only denial from the church to date is that the devil put these falsehoods in our historic writings to "test" us...

Jesus is an attempt to make metaphoric pagan teachings literal, either through ill informed translation, or an attempt to use it as a form of control.  No more no less....

WHICH by no means weakens or lessens the importance of the teachings of all these figures.  All the stories contained the knowledge within their texts on how to live you life in a "son of god" like manner.

ATG wrote:

oChaos.Haze wrote:

ATG wrote:

Look even further.

What authority established the right of sucsessionand determined who became the Pope?

It is sad that the true teachings of Jesus Christ have been lost in a political clusterfuck ever after he was allegedly executed. The Roman officials may well have simply seized the popularity of Jesus and perverted it for their own political power.

Jesus and his follwers taught that the masss were dead. They could be baptized, accept a higher power ( christ as lord ) and be born again, or ressurected.

To be spiritually awakened or born again was something all men, like Jesus could be.  That explains the origins of the catholicchurch, who murdered Christ or faked his death and then perverted his concept of metapyhsica ressurection that anyone could acheive to a literal resserection, where he arose from the tomb, and it explains the mormon church who understand that they too can be like Christ.

I believe Jesus Christ was a real person. He was considered a wizard by the Jews, a magician to the gypsies, a prophet to the muslims and Lord to th Christian public.

His true teachings are lost in time.

Thank you.

Jesus was a reinterpretation of various pagan mysteries.   There are COUNTLESS "sons of god" born to a virgin mother, who died and rose 3 days after, riding into town on a donkey with palm leaves waving, who preached poverty, love, compassion, healing, could turn water into wine, died to save mankind from his failed ways, ascending to heaven to be with father after life on earth, all shockingly ending with the letters "us", sometimes "is".  This story is nothing new, the pagans had this story on lockdown LONG before, and the only denial from the church to date is that the devil put these falsehoods in our historic writings to "test" us...

Jesus is an attempt to make metaphoric pagan teachings literal, either through ill informed translation, or an attempt to use it as a form of control.  No more no less....

WHICH by no means weakens or lessens the importance of the teachings of all these figures.  All the stories contained the knowledge within their texts on how to live you life in a "son of god" like manner.

Stop regurgitating what you have heard and do some reading of your own.

If you did so, you would be able to separate the true teachings of the man known as Jesus from the politicial machinations of the scam known as Christianity.



You speak of the various pagan holidays and rituals that were co-opted by the Christians. These things are true.

However, moderne Christianity is as well informed about itself as the average Mormon is familiar about the history of his church. Christianity today only hints at the true teachings of Christ. If you want to know the truth you must research what the Jewish rabbies said about Christ, what the Freemasons say about the foundations of the Pope and the Catholic church, and what led the Mormons to create their own religion.


Read what the Bible says in Corinthians about baptisim of the dead, compare that to Mormon rituals. Realize that being ' born again ' and ' RESURRECTED 'were not required to be literal things, but rather metaphors.


It is a shame that the teachings of Jesus have been so hyjacked as there is great wisdom and humility therein.

Last edited by oChaos.Haze (2010-08-31 00:22:07)