Jay
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DrunkFace wrote:

Varegg wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Buy everything I possibly can on credit. Saves me money.

Don't pay any interest though, except the home loan.
There is always interest on credit, why don't you pay interest?
Toenails has hinted on what I do.

Firstly, all my wages go directly into my home loan, which offsets interest as its calculated daily but charged monthly. I also have a redraw facility (basically like an overdraft) on the home loan so I can withdraw money when I need it.
For all my purchases I use credit cards with interest free periods of 60-90 days. So while my cash is saving me interest on my home loan I'm using the banks money to live off. Then just before a credit card bill is due, I withdraw the money from my home loan and pay it off. In effect I am saving about 6% by using credit cards over buying stuff in cash. Then there are all the bonuses and flybys and free shit on top of that.
This is a good strategy depending on what you would do with the money if you weren't maxing out your home payments. If you paid the minimum monthly balance and spent the difference on a jet ski or beer or some other nonsense you would be losing out in the long run (badly). If, say, you took the difference between what you would lay out for your mortgage in order to pay it down early and instead invested it in securities, you'd end up ahead with the securities even though you'd end up paying far more in interest to the bank.

To illustrate what I'm saying:
Say you take out a loan on a house for $400k at a rate of 4.72% (current average).

To pay down the home over 30 years, your monthly payment would be $2,079.36. Total price of home ($748,570.46)
To pay it down in 10 years, $4,188.09. ($502,570.45)
To pay it down in 5 years, $7,497.29. ($449,837.33)

So, you would save about $300k in interest paid to the bank if you paid off the home in five years time. But let's play with the numbers some. Let's assume you have the $90k a year it would take to pay off the home in 5 years and that even after paying off the home you continue investing that amount for a full 30 years. (Let's also assume a 7% annual return on investment, low but unreasonable)

30 years, you'd have $65,015.12 to invest every year: End sum of $6,571,275.69.
10 years of $39,710.42, followed by 20 years of $89,967.47: $6,464,187.25.
5 years of $0, followed by 25 years of $89,967.47: $6,387,413.71.

As you can see, the difference really isn't that great in the long run. The lower the return, the better off you are at paying the home down early. If you do well in securities, you're better off lowering your monthly payments. Personally, I want whatever home I purchase paid down early for the intangible reasons of being able to take the hit if I ever lose my job, and making a prospective move much easier.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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TLDR version: It's important in the long run to develop the math skills necessary to keep yourself out of debt as much as possible. I wrote the spreadsheet that I used to come up with those numbers in a single afternoon because I was curious. It's all well and good to theorize about the best possible financial path you can take, but there's nothing like cold hard numbers to really make you follow through. I wonder how many people actually sit down and write a budget every month. In my experience most people just wing it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
cpt.fass1
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But  you also Base your numbers on current income, which isn't always going to be the case..
Jay
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cpt.fass1 wrote:

But  you also Base your numbers on current income, which isn't always going to be the case..
I happen to be going into a stable line of work. Will there be speed bumps? Yeah, of course, but the industry I'm going into is growing and there is a severe shortage of workers graduating into it. We graduate something like 60,000 less engineers than we need every year.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Cybargs
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JohnG@lt wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

But  you also Base your numbers on current income, which isn't always going to be the case..
I happen to be going into a stable line of work. Will there be speed bumps? Yeah, of course, but the industry I'm going into is growing and there is a severe shortage of workers graduating into it. We graduate something like 60,000 less engineers than we need every year.
Watch out for them Indians and Chinese people coming over

Edit: If you're REALLY REALLY strapped for cash in life... Theres always the military =/
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Jay
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Cybargs wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

But  you also Base your numbers on current income, which isn't always going to be the case..
I happen to be going into a stable line of work. Will there be speed bumps? Yeah, of course, but the industry I'm going into is growing and there is a severe shortage of workers graduating into it. We graduate something like 60,000 less engineers than we need every year.
Watch out for them Indians and Chinese people coming over

Edit: If you're REALLY REALLY strapped for cash in life... Theres always the military =/
I'm white. I'll have no problems getting a job in my field...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Cybargs
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


I happen to be going into a stable line of work. Will there be speed bumps? Yeah, of course, but the industry I'm going into is growing and there is a severe shortage of workers graduating into it. We graduate something like 60,000 less engineers than we need every year.
Watch out for them Indians and Chinese people coming over

Edit: If you're REALLY REALLY strapped for cash in life... Theres always the military =/
I'm white. I'll have no problems getting a job in my field...
There's too many of us Asians, you just wait
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jord
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Maybe but its full here, an application for the army here now takes at least a year. Can go to like 3 years if you're anything but perfect.
cpt.fass1
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JohnG@lt wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

But  you also Base your numbers on current income, which isn't always going to be the case..
I happen to be going into a stable line of work. Will there be speed bumps? Yeah, of course, but the industry I'm going into is growing and there is a severe shortage of workers graduating into it. We graduate something like 60,000 less engineers than we need every year.
For now.. With your money are you also counting on your girls income? I read in an other post that you were planing on buying a house?

Also if you buy a house I"m assuming that marriage is in the works as well, do you have the divorce money saved up?
Cybargs
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cpt.fass1 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

But  you also Base your numbers on current income, which isn't always going to be the case..
I happen to be going into a stable line of work. Will there be speed bumps? Yeah, of course, but the industry I'm going into is growing and there is a severe shortage of workers graduating into it. We graduate something like 60,000 less engineers than we need every year.
For now.. With your money are you also counting on your girls income? I read in an other post that you were planing on buying a house?

Also if you buy a house I"m assuming that marriage is in the works as well, do you have the divorce money saved up?
prenup do its.
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cpt.fass1
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Prenups do not offset the court costs.
Jay
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cpt.fass1 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

But  you also Base your numbers on current income, which isn't always going to be the case..
I happen to be going into a stable line of work. Will there be speed bumps? Yeah, of course, but the industry I'm going into is growing and there is a severe shortage of workers graduating into it. We graduate something like 60,000 less engineers than we need every year.
For now.. With your money are you also counting on your girls income? I read in an other post that you were planing on buying a house?

Also if you buy a house I"m assuming that marriage is in the works as well, do you have the divorce money saved up?
Why on earth would I plan on failing? I've been with her for over five years now and I've lived with her for over two. I'm not planning marriage just because it's the thing to do, I'm planning it because it's what I want to do. This is not a decision I take lightly so why should I expect to fail?

And yes, to an extent I am planning with her income in mind. She was looking at houses today online and found a seven bedroom lakehouse in New Hampshire that was selling for $400k. Assuming a starting salary of $80k for myself, it's more than easily doable. Taking her salary into account, the plan is to invest the entirety of one of our incomes, and use the other for living expenses. Worst comes to worst and we do end up getting divorced, we'll each be able to live on our respective salaries alone because we never got used to the combined being available. It also makes the financial hit when she inevitably has to take time off due to pregnancy much easier to handle and less jarring.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
ATG
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the problem with consumer debt iis that yes it is bad, but it is made ten times worse when the politicians and bankers destroyed so many millions of peoples ability to make money and pay their bills.
cpt.fass1
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JohnG@lt wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


I happen to be going into a stable line of work. Will there be speed bumps? Yeah, of course, but the industry I'm going into is growing and there is a severe shortage of workers graduating into it. We graduate something like 60,000 less engineers than we need every year.
For now.. With your money are you also counting on your girls income? I read in an other post that you were planing on buying a house?

Also if you buy a house I"m assuming that marriage is in the works as well, do you have the divorce money saved up?
Why on earth would I plan on failing? I've been with her for over five years now and I've lived with her for over two. I'm not planning marriage just because it's the thing to do, I'm planning it because it's what I want to do. This is not a decision I take lightly so why should I expect to fail?

And yes, to an extent I am planning with her income in mind. She was looking at houses today online and found a seven bedroom lakehouse in New Hampshire that was selling for $400k. Assuming a starting salary of $80k for myself, it's more than easily doable. Taking her salary into account, the plan is to invest the entirety of one of our incomes, and use the other for living expenses. Worst comes to worst and we do end up getting divorced, we'll each be able to live on our respective salaries alone because we never got used to the combined being available. It also makes the financial hit when she inevitably has to take time off due to pregnancy much easier to handle and less jarring.
It's not planning on the marriage to fail, it's protecting yourself if it does fail. When Divorce rates are as high as they are, it's a reasonable gamble that it might not go as planned.
Varegg
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Divorce rates are high because people give up too easy ... thinking marriage/falling in love will last for ever ... saving up for a divorce I guess will bring you there faster
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On an interesting sidenote, Sweden has the worlds highest divorce rate.
Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

On an interesting sidenote, Sweden has the worlds highest divorce rate.
And I'm half Swedish. Maybe I'm doomed from the start
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
cpt.fass1
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Make sure you do protect yourself. Don't look at it as Setting yourself up for failure(cause it's not) look at it as make sure your future is alright no matter what.

Seriously the divorce laws are so one sided, so even if she ends up doing better then you, you'd be screwed.

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