Most arts schools are private anyway =/Uzique wrote:
bloody arts students with their bloody arty schools and their fuckin' zero employment prospects
waste of money!!!!
That's fine. I'll still be in the State of Washington, watching us hold nukes over both their heads.Reciprocity wrote:
the State of Jefferson would kick the State of Lincoln's ass.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
We have something like that going on in the northwest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Lincoln
that's cause most art students are liberal and from privileged backgrounds
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Art is mostly a luxury of the rich. Culturally, it's important, but if you're a working class person, you should focus on something that gets you employment after school. For the working class, art should mostly be a hobby rather than a career focus.Uzique wrote:
that's cause most art students are liberal and from privileged backgrounds
ISB (international school of bangkok) has a 25 million dollar campus... And I think that's overkill, even for a privately funded international school. How the fuck did they spend half a billion dollars on a school wtf.
partly mentioned in turq's post above: 'culture'. it's an expensive business.Cybargs wrote:
ISB (international school of bangkok) has a 25 million dollar campus... And I think that's overkill, even for a privately funded international school. How the fuck did they spend half a billion dollars on a school wtf.
commissioning some ground-breaking, forward-looking architectural project for the school building will cost megabuck$$$.
the buildings and campus is obviously there as a cultural, architectural and artistic symbol, more so than a functional facility.
stuff like that costs a lot; art has a lot of intangible 'value' attributed to it.
e.g. this cost $120 million in 1990
Last edited by Uzique (2010-08-22 21:48:33)
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A state that doesn't know the value of a dollar, is bankrupt, and still overpaying on underperforming schools.
This surprises anyone?
This surprises anyone?
While this is true, I would argue that the expensive nature of art is why it should be a privately funded thing. For the most part, it already is, but there are cases where art seems to take precedence in public funding in situations where the essentials are still not being met by the system.Uzique wrote:
partly mentioned in turq's post above: 'culture'. it's an expensive business.Cybargs wrote:
ISB (international school of bangkok) has a 25 million dollar campus... And I think that's overkill, even for a privately funded international school. How the fuck did they spend half a billion dollars on a school wtf.
commissioning some ground-breaking, forward-looking architectural project for the school building will cost megabuck$$$.
the buildings and campus is obviously there as a cultural, architectural and artistic symbol, more so than a functional facility.
stuff like that costs a lot; art has a lot of intangible 'value' attributed to it.
In short, art's importance in education is secondary to practical skills for the labor force. Again, that's not saying art is unimportant -- we just have to get our priorities straight.
Intangibles are nothing more than superstition.Uzique wrote:
partly mentioned in turq's post above: 'culture'. it's an expensive business.Cybargs wrote:
ISB (international school of bangkok) has a 25 million dollar campus... And I think that's overkill, even for a privately funded international school. How the fuck did they spend half a billion dollars on a school wtf.
commissioning some ground-breaking, forward-looking architectural project for the school building will cost megabuck$$$.
the buildings and campus is obviously there as a cultural, architectural and artistic symbol, more so than a functional facility.
stuff like that costs a lot; art has a lot of intangible 'value' attributed to it.
e.g. this cost $120 million in 1990
http://www.vbtllc.com/images/Guggenheim … -jan05.jpg
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
qftrdx-fx wrote:
A state that doesn't know the value of a dollar, is bankrupt, and still overpaying on underperforming schools.
This surprises anyone?
i think state-funded and state-sponsored 'artistic' symbols are very important.Turquoise wrote:
While this is true, I would argue that the expensive nature of art is why it should be a privately funded thing. For the most part, it already is, but there are cases where art seems to take precedence in public funding in situations where the essentials are still not being met by the system.Uzique wrote:
partly mentioned in turq's post above: 'culture'. it's an expensive business.Cybargs wrote:
ISB (international school of bangkok) has a 25 million dollar campus... And I think that's overkill, even for a privately funded international school. How the fuck did they spend half a billion dollars on a school wtf.
commissioning some ground-breaking, forward-looking architectural project for the school building will cost megabuck$$$.
the buildings and campus is obviously there as a cultural, architectural and artistic symbol, more so than a functional facility.
stuff like that costs a lot; art has a lot of intangible 'value' attributed to it.
In short, art's importance in education is secondary to practical skills for the labor force. Again, that's not saying art is unimportant -- we just have to get our priorities straight.
every now and then a state/nation/government likes to leave its mark for posterity in the symbol of an architectural or artistic piece.
i think that's an admirable thing-- perhaps poorly timed in an age of economic austerity, but admirable in principle, nevertheless.
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i dont think i see anyone here who is surprised.rdx-fx wrote:
A state that doesn't know the value of a dollar, is bankrupt, and still overpaying on underperforming schools.
This surprises anyone?
JohnG@lt wrote:
Intangibles are nothing more than superstition.Uzique wrote:
partly mentioned in turq's post above: 'culture'. it's an expensive business.Cybargs wrote:
ISB (international school of bangkok) has a 25 million dollar campus... And I think that's overkill, even for a privately funded international school. How the fuck did they spend half a billion dollars on a school wtf.
commissioning some ground-breaking, forward-looking architectural project for the school building will cost megabuck$$$.
the buildings and campus is obviously there as a cultural, architectural and artistic symbol, more so than a functional facility.
stuff like that costs a lot; art has a lot of intangible 'value' attributed to it.
e.g. this cost $120 million in 1990
http://www.vbtllc.com/images/Guggenheim … -jan05.jpg
just like the 'superstitious' pricing on those totally non-artistic, non-cultural, entirely-economic veblen goods, right?
luxury pricing isn't only the preserve of the artsy-fartsy fags with their faggy art. get real.
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What imbues something with value? Well, there's the base materials that make up the item, and then there is peoples perception of the item which also drives its value. Luxury items are priced higher simply because they are marketed and sold as luxury items, even though the base materials involved in their production do not differ greatly from the lower end model.Uzique wrote:
JohnG@lt wrote:
Intangibles are nothing more than superstition.Uzique wrote:
partly mentioned in turq's post above: 'culture'. it's an expensive business.
commissioning some ground-breaking, forward-looking architectural project for the school building will cost megabuck$$$.
the buildings and campus is obviously there as a cultural, architectural and artistic symbol, more so than a functional facility.
stuff like that costs a lot; art has a lot of intangible 'value' attributed to it.
e.g. this cost $120 million in 1990
http://www.vbtllc.com/images/Guggenheim … -jan05.jpg
just like the 'superstitious' pricing on those totally non-artistic, non-cultural, entirely-economic veblen goods, right?
luxury pricing isn't only the preserve of the artsy-fartsy fags with their faggy art. get real.
Then there's scarcity. Considering the billion or so people who claim to be artists on this planet, the value of the work they create should be right up there with a steaming pile of dog shit. I'm sure this school was designed by a person who dedicated his or her life to becoming a famous artist. Thus, as much frippery and cost was added to it as possible in order to increase the stature of the artists reputation. Nothing was gained by anyone involved except the artist, and whoever signed off on it and thus will take credit for it's creation. No one will give a fuck about the building except art school students who jizz themselves when imagining the 'impact' they can have on the world.
Art has it's place on the mantles of the wealthy. It does not belong in the architectural qualities of a public building, let alone a public school. A school should be utilitarian in design, not a shitty ripoff of the Taj Mahal.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
i think art is gay tbh despite having 2 friends in top notch art schools (RISD and Central Saint Martins).
Art is fucked up
(From friend in Saint Martins).
Art is fucked up
(From friend in Saint Martins).
True. There is a need for culture and art in the world.Uzique wrote:
stuff like that costs a lot; art has a lot of intangible 'value' attributed to it.
Real art reminds us we're capable of greatness, subtlety, insight, genius, and so much more than the mundane day-to-day existence we spend most of our time at.
Then again, Bureaucratic drones know shit about real art.
Their idea of the value of art is strictly tied to how large of a check they get to write.
There are a few problems with this California school
- Large bureaucracies, such as the LAUSD, generally couldn't tell the difference between Jackson Pollock and Jack Shit.
- The state of California is broke.
- They need to be looking at things with tangible value. Intangibles are for when you have excess funds to piss away.
- Give the kids a good solid fundamental education first, then refine their tastes and culture. It cannot be done in reverse order.(How in the hell are you going to teach a kid to appreciate the subtleties of fine literature, when he can't even read?)
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Kids in art school don't really do anything anyway. It's fucking art schools (even said from friends in top notch art schools).
Everyone wants to be the next famous artist or is trying to shock you and make a point. Most artist nowadays are trying too hard.Cybargs wrote:
i think art is gay tbh despite having 2 friends in top notch art schools (RISD and Central Saint Martins).
Art is fucked up
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- … 8521_n.jpg (From friend in Saint Martins).
lots of artists are trying too hard. shes an irl troll so yeahMacbeth wrote:
Everyone wants to be the next famous artist or is trying to shock you and make a point. Most artist nowadays are trying too hard.Cybargs wrote:
i think art is gay tbh despite having 2 friends in top notch art schools (RISD and Central Saint Martins).
Art is fucked up
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- … 8521_n.jpg (From friend in Saint Martins).
Here's an idea:
Drench a guy in blue paint, a woman in pink paint, then have them fuck like mad bunnies on a 20' x 20' canvas.
I kan haz multi-millionz ah dollurs frum t3h stat uv kaliforneeya 4 artz grantzes nao!?
Drench a guy in blue paint, a woman in pink paint, then have them fuck like mad bunnies on a 20' x 20' canvas.
I kan haz multi-millionz ah dollurs frum t3h stat uv kaliforneeya 4 artz grantzes nao!?
Artistic genius right here.rdx-fx wrote:
Here's an idea:
Drench a guy in blue paint, a woman in pink paint, then have them fuck like mad bunnies on a 20' x 20' canvas.
I kan haz multi-millionz ah dollurs frum t3h stat uv kaliforneeya 4 artz grantzes nao!?
Hows this. I SHIT ON CANVAS AND CALL IT HUMAN ART.
Artistic geniusrdx-fx wrote:
Here's an idea:
Drench a guy in blue paint, a woman in pink paint, then have them fuck like mad bunnies on a 20' x 20' canvas.
I kan haz multi-millionz ah dollurs frum t3h stat uv kaliforneeya 4 artz grantzes nao!?
Could do a whole exhibit.Cybargs wrote:
Hows this. I SHIT ON CANVAS AND CALL IT HUMAN ART.
Do all the flags of the world in human bodily fluids.
Might have to get creative and rearrange the color scheme for a few flags.
Call it "The World : Blood, Sweat, Tears, and Something Else"
OR, to continue my previous theme;
Solitude - 3' x 3' canvas, two blue paint footprints on the left and bottom edge, a Ritz cracker in the center.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Poking fun at the pretentious bullshit that too often passes for Art
soo what did this post serve to do, other than namedrop that you 'know someone' at art school?Cybargs wrote:
i think art is gay tbh despite having 2 friends in top notch art schools (RISD and Central Saint Martins).
Art is fucked up
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- … 8521_n.jpg (From friend in Saint Martins).
pointless addition to the discussion. im sorry your friend's artwork isn't up your street. what does that have to do with the status of art in society in general? not all artists are drawing comic-illustrations of people with their spines removed. and how exactly is art and culture "gay"? i feel like im losing intelligence by even venturing to ask these asinine questions...
the last few posts are a comedy parade, tbh. are you guys talking about architectural idioms and the benefit of state-sponsored 'progression', or are you taking the opportunity to shit on age-15 DeviantArt conceptions of 'art'? you know without me needing to tell you that you don't have much of a clue about the art world-- so why talk shit? it just makes you look silly. for every person trying hard to contrive themselves as an 'artist' by covering themselves in blue paint and copulating in a room covered in canvas, there's a real artist pushing forward a real aesthetic. what's the value? commodifying art and reducing everything down to an economic, utilitarian conception of 'value' is pointless, and rather arbitrary. did you guys ever stop think that we wouldn't have the greek classical temples, the pyramids or any great cathedrals, public monuments or heritage-buildings if it wasn't for the existence of art? architecture can be more than just function, you know.
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someone should remind you that anecdotal personal evidence is not empirical, unquestionable proof.Cybargs wrote:
Kids in art school don't really do anything anyway. It's fucking art schools (even said from friends in top notch art schools).
what's up with you in this thread? do you have a few bones to pick, or something to get off your chest?
you're being even more retarded than usual, and that's saying something. the cybargs-conjecture meter is boiling over...
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