The Irish sided with the Germans when they had absolutely no real need to.
Go discuss that with your Irish pals.
Go discuss that with your Irish pals.
Fuck Israel
nope, the NORWEGIANS that fought for Germany were really NORWEGIANS. and as I said, they fought for both sides, and even more for Germany.Pug wrote:
Ok, lets go back to the original quote.lowing wrote:
You have a defense pact with the US because WE won...As I said, Norway history is that of the path of least resistance. You should feel provoked, but not because I am wrong, but because you need to come to grips with your country' actions and alliances. In other words, you would have no problem engaging in a "defense pact" with the 3rd Reich. Or was there another reason you fought along side Nazi Germany as well as the Allies? Wasn't sure who was going ot win?
Fought for the Germans because the Germans installed a puppet government.
Fought for the Allies at the same time.
So, by your definition, the German puppet government was REALLY Norway?
I have always loved the argument.............."Well they did it tooo", to justify your actions, my son when he was 5 tried that one as well.Dilbert_X wrote:
The Irish sided with the Germans when they had absolutely no real need to.
Go discuss that with your Irish pals.
What?...Dilbert_X wrote:
The Irish sided with the Germans when they had absolutely no real need to.
Go discuss that with your Irish pals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neut … rld_War_II
"In other words, you would have no problem engaging a "defense pact" with the 3rd Reich".lowing wrote:
nope, the NORWEGIANS that fought for Germany were really NORWEGIANS. and as I said, they fought for both sides, and even more for Germany.Pug wrote:
Ok, lets go back to the original quote.lowing wrote:
You have a defense pact with the US because WE won...As I said, Norway history is that of the path of least resistance. You should feel provoked, but not because I am wrong, but because you need to come to grips with your country' actions and alliances. In other words, you would have no problem engaging in a "defense pact" with the 3rd Reich. Or was there another reason you fought along side Nazi Germany as well as the Allies? Wasn't sure who was going ot win?
Fought for the Germans because the Germans installed a puppet government.
Fought for the Allies at the same time.
So, by your definition, the German puppet government was REALLY Norway?
(A defense pact requires the government to be a different entity, not a puppet government)
"Wasn't sure who was going to win?"
(Well, explain to me how the puppet government is legitimate, and we'll talk)
You are reaching.
Germans invaded with 120,000
Norway defended with 60,000
Germans won, installed puppet government.
New army formed was 15,000 of a population of 3 million. Aka, the die hard Germany lovers.
According to the article you linked. 80,000 fled the country. And 28,000 served in the services on the side of the Allies, including liberating Finland. But lets focus on the 15,000 and the "legitimate" puppet government.
You have a twisted mind.
I think a force of 15,000 is forgivable given Norway's responsibility for sabotaging nuclear research for Germans.
and out of your numbers, ONLY 11,000 fought for the allies...Pug wrote:
"In other words, you would have no problem engaging a "defense pact" with the 3rd Reich".lowing wrote:
nope, the NORWEGIANS that fought for Germany were really NORWEGIANS. and as I said, they fought for both sides, and even more for Germany.Pug wrote:
Ok, lets go back to the original quote.
Fought for the Germans because the Germans installed a puppet government.
Fought for the Allies at the same time.
So, by your definition, the German puppet government was REALLY Norway?
(A defense pact requires the government to be a different entity, not a puppet government)
"Wasn't sure who was going to win?"
(Well, explain to me how the puppet government is legitimate, and we'll talk)
You are reaching.
Germans invaded with 120,000
Norway defended with 60,000
Germans won, installed puppet government.
New army formed was 15,000 of a population of 3 million. Aka, the die hard Germany lovers.
According to the article you linked. 80,000 fled the country. And 28,000 served in the services on the side of the Allies, including liberating Finland. But lets focus on the 15,000 and the "legitimate" puppet government.
You have a twisted mind.
but it was a NEW army now wasn't it?
15,000 fought for germany
11,000 fought for allies..
I said they fought for both sides.......Anything I said not true?
If anyone is trying to twist shit, it is you
lowing, give the fuck up. You're wrong, just let it go.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
lol, not sure Norway is looking for forgiveness. It is what it is....Germany invasded, Norway surrendered ( a common theme in Europe) and some Noregiand decided that if ya can't beat them join them ( path of least resistance)....They didn't simply join the ranks of the Germans, they built their OWN axis army.Turquoise wrote:
I think a force of 15,000 is forgivable given Norway's responsibility for sabotaging nuclear research for Germans.
I am? Are you rally going to argue that Nrway did not fight for both sides? Are you really going to argue that the Norweigans DID NOT put togather an army to support Germany against the allies? Oh well. Can't argue against denial I guess.JohnG@lt wrote:
lowing, give the fuck up. You're wrong, just let it go.
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wow, this thread strayed from the topic. i was trying to get a handle on the economics, and then WWII broke out . . .
Varegg started again about how we all need to be like Norway economically because not being involved works for them, so it should work for everyone..burnzz wrote:
wow, this thread strayed from the topic. i was trying to get a handle on the economics, and then WWII broke out . . .
lowing you really are the worst kind of anti-europe, pro-american patroit
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
balances out against the anti-American membership doesn't it?Uzique wrote:
lowing you really are the worst kind of anti-europe, pro-american patroit
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EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND THAT HAS BEEN CONQUERED HAS BUILT AN ARMY TO AID IT'S NEW RULERS! EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY HAS DONE SO BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T THEY WOULD FACE RETRIBUTION. HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IS THIS CONCEPT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND? THEY'RE CALLED COLLABORATORS AND EVERY FUCKING CONFLICT HAS HAD THEM. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST KILL YOURSELF YOU STUBBORN IGNORANT ASS.lowing wrote:
I am? Are you rally going to argue that Nrway did not fight for both sides? Are you really going to argue that the Norweigans put togather an army to support Germany against the allies? Oh well. Can't argue against denial I guess.JohnG@lt wrote:
lowing, give the fuck up. You're wrong, just let it go.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
what about all those pro-royalist 'collaborators' during the american civil war... all those american civilians that had english interests, whether it be in land, property or other forms of capital... or simply family loyalties. bunch of cowards, eh. EH! EH! EH!
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
Really? As much as I hate France, did France, after being conquered, build a FRENCH fucking army to fight against the allies? Did Poland, after being conquered, build a POLISH army against the allies? so much for that theory.JohnG@lt wrote:
EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND THAT HAS BEEN CONQUERED HAS BUILT AN ARMY TO AID IT'S NEW RULERS! EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY HAS DONE SO BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T THEY WOULD FACE RETRIBUTION. HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IS THIS CONCEPT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND? THEY'RE CALLED COLLABORATORS AND EVERY FUCKING CONFLICT HAS HAD THEM. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST KILL YOURSELF YOU STUBBORN IGNORANT ASS.lowing wrote:
I am? Are you rally going to argue that Nrway did not fight for both sides? Are you really going to argue that the Norweigans put togather an army to support Germany against the allies? Oh well. Can't argue against denial I guess.JohnG@lt wrote:
lowing, give the fuck up. You're wrong, just let it go.
Goes a little bit farther than being a mere collaborator.
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ummmmmm you mean the revolutionary war? what of them? THEY WERE ENGLISH not Americans.....If there were any traitors it would be those that broke from the crown.Uzique wrote:
what about all those pro-royalist 'collaborators' during the american civil war... all those american civilians that had english interests, whether it be in land, property or other forms of capital... or simply family loyalties. bunch of cowards, eh. EH! EH! EH!
Yes, Vichy France did, and fought the Americans when they landed in North Africa.lowing wrote:
Really? As much as I hate France, did France, after being conquered, build a FRENCH fucking army to fight against the allies? Did Poland, after being conquered, build a POLISH army against the allies? so much for that theory.JohnG@lt wrote:
EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND THAT HAS BEEN CONQUERED HAS BUILT AN ARMY TO AID IT'S NEW RULERS! EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY HAS DONE SO BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T THEY WOULD FACE RETRIBUTION. HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IS THIS CONCEPT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND? THEY'RE CALLED COLLABORATORS AND EVERY FUCKING CONFLICT HAS HAD THEM. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST KILL YOURSELF YOU STUBBORN IGNORANT ASS.lowing wrote:
I am? Are you rally going to argue that Nrway did not fight for both sides? Are you really going to argue that the Norweigans put togather an army to support Germany against the allies? Oh well. Can't argue against denial I guess.
Goes a little bit farther than being a mere collaborator.
Many of the soldiers that were sitting on the beaches on D-Day in France were Polish or Ukrainian.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
hmmmm, so what you are saying is that Norway is not alone in fighting for Germany....Sad really.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, Vichy France did, and fought the Americans when they landed in North Africa.lowing wrote:
Really? As much as I hate France, did France, after being conquered, build a FRENCH fucking army to fight against the allies? Did Poland, after being conquered, build a POLISH army against the allies? so much for that theory.JohnG@lt wrote:
EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND THAT HAS BEEN CONQUERED HAS BUILT AN ARMY TO AID IT'S NEW RULERS! EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY HAS DONE SO BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T THEY WOULD FACE RETRIBUTION. HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IS THIS CONCEPT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND? THEY'RE CALLED COLLABORATORS AND EVERY FUCKING CONFLICT HAS HAD THEM. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST KILL YOURSELF YOU STUBBORN IGNORANT ASS.
Goes a little bit farther than being a mere collaborator.
Many of the soldiers that were sitting on the beaches on D-Day in France were Polish or Ukrainian.
As much as you would like it to, ADDING European countries that surrendered to germany and then fought against their own liberation, does little to bolster your argument that Norway didn't...
Oh my fucking god. Do you understand that there is a vast difference between troops that volunteered to fight for Germany (and there were many Americans that did prior to 1941) and those that were conscripted? Germany had a gun barrel pointed at these governments and if they failed to do as ordered they faced a repeated invasion? The Gestapo was running rampant in every single one of these countries and would've toppled (again) any government that refused to do its bidding.lowing wrote:
hmmmm, so what you are saying is that Norway is not alone in fighting for Germany....Sad really.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, Vichy France did, and fought the Americans when they landed in North Africa.lowing wrote:
Really? As much as I hate France, did France, after being conquered, build a FRENCH fucking army to fight against the allies? Did Poland, after being conquered, build a POLISH army against the allies? so much for that theory.
Goes a little bit farther than being a mere collaborator.
Many of the soldiers that were sitting on the beaches on D-Day in France were Polish or Ukrainian.
As much as you would like it to, ADDING European countries that surrendered to germany and then fought against their own liberation, does little to bolster your argument that Norway didn't...
You think we're unique? If we had been conquered we would've sent troops to fight with them as well. You really are as dumb as a fence post and your ignorance of history makes you just that much more stupid. Read a fucking book instead of watching tv.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
This does not take away form the fact of what I said, NORWAY built an army against the allies.......What you offer are excuses as to why, at least you are past the denial stage.JohnG@lt wrote:
Oh my fucking god. Do you understand that there is a vast difference between troops that volunteered to fight for Germany (and there were many Americans that did prior to 1941) and those that were conscripted? Germany had a gun barrel pointed at these governments and if they failed to do as ordered they faced a repeated invasion? The Gestapo was running rampant in every single one of these countries and would've toppled (again) any government that refused to do its bidding.lowing wrote:
hmmmm, so what you are saying is that Norway is not alone in fighting for Germany....Sad really.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, Vichy France did, and fought the Americans when they landed in North Africa.
Many of the soldiers that were sitting on the beaches on D-Day in France were Polish or Ukrainian.
As much as you would like it to, ADDING European countries that surrendered to germany and then fought against their own liberation, does little to bolster your argument that Norway didn't...
You think we're unique? If we had been conquered we would've sent troops to fight with them as well. You really are as dumb as a fence post and your ignorance of history makes you just that much more stupid. Read a fucking book instead of watching tv.
This, right here, is the last time I ever respond to you in any thread.lowing wrote:
This does not take away form the fact of what I said, NORWAY built an army against the allies.......What you offer are excuses as to why, at least you are past the denial stage.JohnG@lt wrote:
Oh my fucking god. Do you understand that there is a vast difference between troops that volunteered to fight for Germany (and there were many Americans that did prior to 1941) and those that were conscripted? Germany had a gun barrel pointed at these governments and if they failed to do as ordered they faced a repeated invasion? The Gestapo was running rampant in every single one of these countries and would've toppled (again) any government that refused to do its bidding.lowing wrote:
hmmmm, so what you are saying is that Norway is not alone in fighting for Germany....Sad really.
As much as you would like it to, ADDING European countries that surrendered to germany and then fought against their own liberation, does little to bolster your argument that Norway didn't...
You think we're unique? If we had been conquered we would've sent troops to fight with them as well. You really are as dumb as a fence post and your ignorance of history makes you just that much more stupid. Read a fucking book instead of watching tv.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Sorry ya feel that way.JohnG@lt wrote:
This, right here, is the last time I ever respond to you in any thread.lowing wrote:
This does not take away form the fact of what I said, NORWAY built an army against the allies.......What you offer are excuses as to why, at least you are past the denial stage.JohnG@lt wrote:
Oh my fucking god. Do you understand that there is a vast difference between troops that volunteered to fight for Germany (and there were many Americans that did prior to 1941) and those that were conscripted? Germany had a gun barrel pointed at these governments and if they failed to do as ordered they faced a repeated invasion? The Gestapo was running rampant in every single one of these countries and would've toppled (again) any government that refused to do its bidding.
You think we're unique? If we had been conquered we would've sent troops to fight with them as well. You really are as dumb as a fence post and your ignorance of history makes you just that much more stupid. Read a fucking book instead of watching tv.
I don't care if you respond...........As long as I know you are reading what I post, I am fine.
I it funny how you throw a tantrum, insult my intelligence, , then say YOU are no longer going to talk to ME. irony.
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lol. [sorry, off topic and not contributing, i know - i was trying to catch up on the thread, and the replies kept coming faster than i could turn the page . . .]