Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

The US has two OCEANS as buffer.
Any potential enemy is on the other side of the world....

Please tell us how much the US spends on the defense of Europe.
looks like it was already done for you. Now how about you tell me what Europe spends on helping defend the US.
Nope, you need to find the figures and sources for what the US spends protecting Europe, then prove it isn't tied in to defending the US.
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lowing
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Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

You have a defense pact with the US because WE won...As I said, Norway history is that of the path of least resistance.  You should feel provoked, but not because I am wrong, but because you need to come to grips with your country' actions and alliances. In other words, you would have no problem engaging in a "defense pact" with the 3rd Reich. Or was there another reason you fought along side Nazi Germany as well as the Allies? Wasn't sure who was going ot win?
Can you elaborate on this, I'm really interested in Norways path of least resistance ... this is groundbreaking news in modern history that Norway fought on the Nazi side of the war so I'm very interested in the sources of this information ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation … laboration


As i said, you fought on both sides.
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

The US has two OCEANS as buffer.
Any potential enemy is on the other side of the world....

Please tell us how much the US spends on the defense of Europe.
looks like it was already done for you. Now how about you tell me what Europe spends on helping defend the US.
Nope, you need to find the figures and sources for what the US spends protecting Europe, then prove it isn't tied in to defending the US.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p3280859

I said it looks like it was already provided to you.

Protecting our allies is of course a benefit to the US. Who ever said it wasn't? We just bow to the fact that someone has to protect you.
Pug
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lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

You have a defense pact with the US because WE won...As I said, Norway history is that of the path of least resistance.  You should feel provoked, but not because I am wrong, but because you need to come to grips with your country' actions and alliances. In other words, you would have no problem engaging in a "defense pact" with the 3rd Reich. Or was there another reason you fought along side Nazi Germany as well as the Allies? Wasn't sure who was going ot win?
Can you elaborate on this, I'm really interested in Norways path of least resistance ... this is groundbreaking news in modern history that Norway fought on the Nazi side of the war so I'm very interested in the sources of this information ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation … laboration


As i said, you fought on both sides.
Yeah, except for the part when the Germans installed a puppet government....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasjonal_Samling
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:


looks like it was already done for you. Now how about you tell me what Europe spends on helping defend the US.
Nope, you need to find the figures and sources for what the US spends protecting Europe, then prove it isn't tied in to defending the US.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p3280859

I said it looks like it was already provided to you.

Protecting our allies is of course a benefit to the US. Who ever said it wasn't? We just bow to the fact that someone has to protect you.
Sorry a post on a forum is not really a source.
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lowing
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Pug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


Can you elaborate on this, I'm really interested in Norways path of least resistance ... this is groundbreaking news in modern history that Norway fought on the Nazi side of the war so I'm very interested in the sources of this information ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation … laboration


As i said, you fought on both sides.
Yeah, except for the part when the Germans installed a puppet government....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasjonal_Samling
Yeah except for the part where 15,000 citzens signed on to support and fight for the Nazis.
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


Nope, you need to find the figures and sources for what the US spends protecting Europe, then prove it isn't tied in to defending the US.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 9#p3280859

I said it looks like it was already provided to you.

Protecting our allies is of course a benefit to the US. Who ever said it wasn't? We just bow to the fact that someone has to protect you.
Sorry a post on a forum is not really a source.
Sorry, the bases, the men, the equipment, the planes, the tanks, the logistics, the fuel, stationed all over Europe, does the numbers really matter? Can we not agree that it cost a hell of a lot? Can we also not agree, that it is more than any single European nation provides?

There is a pie chart in here. scroll down.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/ … y-spending
Pug
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lowing wrote:

Pug wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Norway_by_Nazi_Germany#Acceptance_and_collaboration


As i said, you fought on both sides.
Yeah, except for the part when the Germans installed a puppet government....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasjonal_Samling
Yeah except for the part where 15,000 citzens signed on to support and fight for the Nazis.
Yeah, the party had 2% of the vote...sounds like a majority there.

You do realize that a few thousand American citizens with German blood fought for Germany right?

So what point are you making exactly?

Last edited by Pug (2010-08-17 09:10:12)

lowing
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Pug wrote:

lowing wrote:

Pug wrote:


Yeah, except for the part when the Germans installed a puppet government....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasjonal_Samling
Yeah except for the part where 15,000 citzens signed on to support and fight for the Nazis.
Yeah, the party had 2% of the vote...sounds like a majority there.

You do realize that a few thousand American with German blood citizens fought for the Germany right?

So what point are you making exactly?
Norway had a Nazi sympathetic govt. installed, the people not only let it happen, it was supported, and fought for.

lol, a few thousand? http://thepoormouth.blogspot.com/2006/0 … in-ss.html

even still, if it was a few thousand out of a country the size of the US ( which apparnetly it wasn't) it does not compare to the 15,000 out of a country the size of Norway...Christ, Norway had enough for an Army to fight the allies.
Jay
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lowing, just bow out of the discussion, you're being stubborn to the point that you are ignoring facts in order to maintain your opinion. Norway was neither a nazi sympathizing nation, nor did it 'open its gates'. They fought stubbornly in defense of their nation. There were people who worked with the Nazi's in every country that they invaded, this is not unique to history, it's happened in ever single fucking war fought in the history of mankind. Even Cortez had native american allies when he conquered the Aztecs.
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Jaekus
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JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing, just bow out of the discussion, you're being stubborn to the point that you are ignoring facts in order to maintain your opinion.
That happens in most threads he participates in.
Uzique
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JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing, just bow out of the discussion, you're being stubborn to the point that you are ignoring facts in order to maintain your opinion. Norway was neither a nazi sympathizing nation, nor did it 'open its gates'. They fought stubbornly in defense of their nation. There were people who worked with the Nazi's in every country that they invaded, this is not unique to history, it's happened in ever single fucking war fought in the history of mankind. Even Cortez had native american allies when he conquered the Aztecs.
all those nazi sympathisers with their socialised, just-fine european political systems...

bloody vichy france!
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LostFate
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lowing wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76frHHpoNFs&feature=related

please watch and comment. How can you argue against this?
quite easily lowing not everybody does everything in self interest , some people actually do care, and would happily give up what they have to make life better for others, you cant argue against this because you're so close minded.
lowing
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JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing, just bow out of the discussion, you're being stubborn to the point that you are ignoring facts in order to maintain your opinion. Norway was neither a nazi sympathizing nation, nor did it 'open its gates'. They fought stubbornly in defense of their nation. There were people who worked with the Nazi's in every country that they invaded, this is not unique to history, it's happened in ever single fucking war fought in the history of mankind. Even Cortez had native american allies when he conquered the Aztecs.
Norway built a Norwegian army that fought against the allies. 15,000 man army  is not a few traitors or calvery scouts under custer. What I said was absolutely true. Norway fought for both sides of the war.
lowing
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LostFate wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76frHHpoNFs&feature=related

please watch and comment. How can you argue against this?
quite easily lowing not everybody does everything in self interest , some people actually do care, and would happily give up what they have to make life better for others, you cant argue against this because you're so close minded.
lol I guess you missed the part where he said "greed" drove all societies. Or the part where he said captialism rendered the highest quality of life for everyone more than any other system in history.
Jay
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lowing wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing, just bow out of the discussion, you're being stubborn to the point that you are ignoring facts in order to maintain your opinion. Norway was neither a nazi sympathizing nation, nor did it 'open its gates'. They fought stubbornly in defense of their nation. There were people who worked with the Nazi's in every country that they invaded, this is not unique to history, it's happened in ever single fucking war fought in the history of mankind. Even Cortez had native american allies when he conquered the Aztecs.
Norway built a Norwegian army that fought against the allies. 15,000 man army  is not a few traitors or calvery scouts under custer. What I said was absolutely true. Norway fought for both sides of the war.
15,000 soldiers in a war that saw fifteen million people die. Do you understand how ridiculous your statement is?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
lowing
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JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing, just bow out of the discussion, you're being stubborn to the point that you are ignoring facts in order to maintain your opinion. Norway was neither a nazi sympathizing nation, nor did it 'open its gates'. They fought stubbornly in defense of their nation. There were people who worked with the Nazi's in every country that they invaded, this is not unique to history, it's happened in ever single fucking war fought in the history of mankind. Even Cortez had native american allies when he conquered the Aztecs.
Norway built a Norwegian army that fought against the allies. 15,000 man army  is not a few traitors or calvery scouts under custer. What I said was absolutely true. Norway fought for both sides of the war.
15,000 soldiers in a war that saw fifteen million people die. Do you understand how ridiculous your statement is?
Ummmm John? Form what I read, only 11,000 served to fight WITH the allies...So tell me, how is what I said untrue? Norwegians fought for both sides, and in fact, sided MORE with the axis. If 15,000 is insignificant. Also today the Norways military only has about 22,000 men today....How significant is that?  Is 22,000 men significant to you?
Jay
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lowing wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing wrote:


Norway built a Norwegian army that fought against the allies. 15,000 man army  is not a few traitors or calvery scouts under custer. What I said was absolutely true. Norway fought for both sides of the war.
15,000 soldiers in a war that saw fifteen million people die. Do you understand how ridiculous your statement is?
Ummmm John? Form what I read, only 11,000 served to fight WITH the allies...So tell me, how is what I said untrue? Norwegians fought for both sides, and in fact, sided MORE with the axis. If 15,000 is insignificant. Also today the Norways military only has about 22,000 men today....How significant is that?  Is 22,000 men significant to you?
Now look up how many Russians fought for the Germans even though their country was invaded and people were being killed off by the Gestapo in droves. No population on the planet is uniform in their opinions. There were communist and nazi sympathizers right here in America that either did fight for them, or would've fought with them if it didn't entail a trip across the Atlantic. You have this black and white, us vs them, view of the world and it's just all wrong.

Barring you picking up a book and actually reading into the history before taking up a stupid and ignorant position, at least read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Norway
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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FatherTed
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how is shitting on wherever eggy is from relevant to this thread?
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lowing
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JohnG@lt wrote:

lowing wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


15,000 soldiers in a war that saw fifteen million people die. Do you understand how ridiculous your statement is?
Ummmm John? Form what I read, only 11,000 served to fight WITH the allies...So tell me, how is what I said untrue? Norwegians fought for both sides, and in fact, sided MORE with the axis. If 15,000 is insignificant. Also today the Norways military only has about 22,000 men today....How significant is that?  Is 22,000 men significant to you?
Now look up how many Russians fought for the Germans even though their country was invaded and people were being killed off by the Gestapo in droves. No population on the planet is uniform in their opinions. There were communist and nazi sympathizers right here in America that either did fight for them, or would've fought with them if it didn't entail a trip across the Atlantic. You have this black and white, us vs them, view of the world and it's just all wrong.

Barring you picking up a book and actually reading into the history before taking up a stupid and ignorant position, at least read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Norway
So what is your argument then? That Norway is not alone in fighting with the Nazis? Not a very compelling argument against what I said. Norway fought for both sides.

I already read that, it has nothing to do with what I said. NORWAY fought for both sides. I already showed you how few American Germans went back to Germany and fought for the father land. VERY FEW..

Fact is Norway got their asses kicked, just like the rest of main land Europe, so some of them decided, if ya can't beat them, join them. Completely in line with what I said. There are no amount condescending rhetoric you can throw that will change that.
lowing
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FatherTed wrote:

how is shitting on wherever eggy is from relevant to this thread?
It isn't. Basically "eggy"needs to learn not to throw stones.
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You are just fucking unbelievable lowing ... your ignorance has truly reached new heights.

A short history lesson about Nazi Norway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_ … e_movement

The above link is from the same page you linked from, and the text was slightly 2 centimeters below the few lines about collaboration ... but as usual you just hunt down and process that tiny picture that fits your agenda ...

You have yet again shown yourself to be an intellectual retard ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
lowing
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Varegg wrote:

You are just fucking unbelievable lowing ... your ignorance has truly reached new heights.

A short history lesson about Nazi Norway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_ … e_movement

The above link is from the same page you linked from, and the text was slightly 2 centimeters below the few lines about collaboration ... but as usual you just hunt down and process that tiny picture that fits your agenda ...

You have yet again shown yourself to be an intellectual retard ...
lol. Read all of that.......It still changes nothing..........15,0000 norwegians fought for Nazi Germany, 11,000 fought for the allies....What I said is true, Norway fought for BOTH sides. Only thing ignorant is to try and deny that.


http://www.frontkjemper.com/
http://www.nuav.net/norwSS.html


get over it.

Last edited by lowing (2010-08-18 06:08:45)

Dilbert_X
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Some Norwegians fought for the Germans.....

Some Jews were pro-Nazi, since they thought they'd get control of Palestine quicker...

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-08-18 06:10:47)

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Pug
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lowing wrote:

You have a defense pact with the US because WE won...As I said, Norway history is that of the path of least resistance.  You should feel provoked, but not because I am wrong, but because you need to come to grips with your country' actions and alliances. In other words, you would have no problem engaging in a "defense pact" with the 3rd Reich. Or was there another reason you fought along side Nazi Germany as well as the Allies? Wasn't sure who was going ot win?
Ok, lets go back to the original quote.

Fought for the Germans because the Germans installed a puppet government.

Fought for the Allies at the same time.

So, by your definition, the German puppet government was REALLY Norway?

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