She hosts one of those 'call me for life advice' type shows, where basically (at least everytime I've heard it) she 'tells it like it is' in a usually abrasive and rude way. Personally, I can't stand her.JohnG@lt wrote:
Not hot, so who cares what she has to say?
It's kind of like what Spark said. There are plenty of occasions where giving an apology is socially expected, but there's no requirement of it.SenorToenails wrote:
What? Wouldn't an apology only be warranted when the offending party actually feels that they did a wrongdoing? Where the hell did breaking the law come into that?Turquoise wrote:
No. In fact, no one ever owes someone an apology unless they break a law. There is no law against using that word, so Dr. Laura is free to choose whether she wants to apologize out of courtesy or not.
As long as black people use that word, they can expect other people to use that word as well. While context is still important, the shallow sensitivity they have with this word is bullshit.
In some ways, apologies are more for the offender than the offendee. It's a matter of how you want to be perceived by others.
What matters a lot more than apologies are what you choose to do to amend any wrongdoing you felt you made. In Dr. Laura's case, she at least decided that she wanted to lessen any perceptions of her being racist by choosing to apologize. Whether or not she truly felt that this woman was owed an apology is better determined by how she acts in the future.
That's how I view apologies anyway.
Last edited by Turquoise (2010-08-13 06:37:18)
She is a talk show host and yeah she will do.JohnG@lt wrote:
Who the fuck is Dr. Laura?
And more importantly, is she hot?
Jesus, after that last pcture, no, she is not hot.
Last edited by lowing (2010-08-13 06:38:21)
quickfire thread this [/irrelevancy]
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Can you be legally forced into an apology? And yes, I see what you mean. It's all about image.Turquoise wrote:
It's kind of like what Spark said. There are plenty of occasions where giving an apology is socially expected, but there's no requirement of it.
In some ways, apologies are more for the offender than the offendee. It's a matter of how you want to be perceived by others.
What matters a lot more than apologies are what you choose to do amend any wrongdoing you felt you made. In Dr. Laura's case, she at least decided that she wanted to lessen any perceptions of her being racist by choosing to apologize. Whether or not she truly felt that this woman was owed an apology is better determined by how she acts in the future.
That's how I view apologies anyway.
In my mind Dr. Laura sold out her beliefs to political correctness by making an apology she knows and we know she does not believe in. If any apology is owed it is because of this. SHe said what she said, she is correct, stand behind your beliefsTurquoise wrote:
It's kind of like what Spark said. There are plenty of occasions where giving an apology is socially expected, but there's no requirement of it.SenorToenails wrote:
What? Wouldn't an apology only be warranted when the offending party actually feels that they did a wrongdoing? Where the hell did breaking the law come into that?Turquoise wrote:
No. In fact, no one ever owes someone an apology unless they break a law. There is no law against using that word, so Dr. Laura is free to choose whether she wants to apologize out of courtesy or not.
As long as black people use that word, they can expect other people to use that word as well. While context is still important, the shallow sensitivity they have with this word is bullshit.
In some ways, apologies are more for the offender than the offendee. It's a matter of how you want to be perceived by others.
What matters a lot more than apologies are what you choose to do to amend any wrongdoing you felt you made. In Dr. Laura's case, she at least decided that she wanted to lessen any perceptions of her being racist by choosing to apologize. Whether or not she truly felt that this woman was owed an apology is better determined by how she acts in the future.
That's how I view apologies anyway.
Sort of... There are civil cases where essentially an apology is part of what's required to amend your transgression. Explicitly, I can't think of any laws that specifically require an apology, but I think it's kind of an unwritten obligation that goes along with paying certain damages.SenorToenails wrote:
Can you be legally forced into an apology? And yes, I see what you mean. It's all about image.Turquoise wrote:
It's kind of like what Spark said. There are plenty of occasions where giving an apology is socially expected, but there's no requirement of it.
In some ways, apologies are more for the offender than the offendee. It's a matter of how you want to be perceived by others.
What matters a lot more than apologies are what you choose to do amend any wrongdoing you felt you made. In Dr. Laura's case, she at least decided that she wanted to lessen any perceptions of her being racist by choosing to apologize. Whether or not she truly felt that this woman was owed an apology is better determined by how she acts in the future.
That's how I view apologies anyway.
Why take marriage advice from an unattractive woman? Clearly all she has going for her is an ability to trap a man
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Fair enough.Turquoise wrote:
Sort of... There are civil cases where essentially an apology is part of what's required to amend your transgression. Explicitly, I can't think of any laws that specifically require an apology, but I think it's kind of an unwritten obligation that goes along with paying certain damages.
I guess I could have googled that to find something like this: http://www.heatcity.org/2009/11/judge-o … -file.html
Though, I guess it wasn't 'forced' as much as it was the obvious choice of action!
Dr Laura seems to have a bit of an agenda TBH, she wasn't really being reasonable in the discussion - she jumped right in accusing the caller of being hypersensitive - whereas I thought the caller was being pretty straight.
If someone constantly asks a black person about black culture that could get wearing, a white person using the N-word to a black stranger could be assumed to be offensive.
If I call my Italian mates 'wogs', they'll laugh, or if they call me a 'bloody pom' the same, if a stranger tries it someone will take offense, its not hard to understand.
In the circumstances of that phone call an apology was appropriate.
If someone constantly asks a black person about black culture that could get wearing, a white person using the N-word to a black stranger could be assumed to be offensive.
If I call my Italian mates 'wogs', they'll laugh, or if they call me a 'bloody pom' the same, if a stranger tries it someone will take offense, its not hard to understand.
In the circumstances of that phone call an apology was appropriate.
Fuck Israel
You are saying exactly what Dr. Laura asks... Words are now allowed only according to race? A white person using it, even in the context of that discussion is wrong, but blacks can use it any way they see fit? How racist is that?Dilbert_X wrote:
Dr Laura seems to have a bit of an agenda TBH, she wasn't really being reasonable in the discussion - she jumped right in accusing the caller of being hypersensitive - whereas I thought the caller was being pretty straight.
If someone constantly asks a black person about black culture that could get wearing, a white person using the N-word to a black stranger could be assumed to be offensive.
If I call my Italian mates 'wogs', they'll laugh, or if they call me a 'bloody pom' the same, if a stranger tries it someone will take offense, its not hard to understand.
In the circumstances of that phone call an apology was appropriate.
It's a bit puzzling when someone who clearly has a target audience that wouldn't expect an apology still chooses to apologize. I think what may have influenced this choice was regarding advertisers.lowing wrote:
In my mind Dr. Laura sold out her beliefs to political correctness by making an apology she knows and we know she does not believe in. If any apology is owed it is because of this. SHe said what she said, she is correct, stand behind your beliefs
Glenn Beck made some controversial racial remark about a year ago that resulted in him losing many sponsors for his TV show. Had he chosen to apologize right after the remark, that probably wouldn't have happened. It's not that these companies really cared about the people offended -- they just don't want to be associated with perceptions of racism, so they withdrew their support.
So yeah, political correctness does wield a certain amount of power among public perceptions. Granted, it's not limited to racism. There are also issues connected to patriotism and religion that are part of a more right leaning political correctness.
Its not racist.lowing wrote:
You are saying exactly what Dr. Laura asks... Words are now allowed only according to race? A white person using it, even in the context of that discussion is wrong, but blacks can use it any way they see fit? How racist is that?
If my friend calls me a dickhead its not an issue.
If some yob in a bar calls me a dickhead its an issue.
See the difference?
(They may be the same person, but lets forget that for now )
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-08-13 06:56:44)
Fuck Israel
So a fake apology for the sake of saving her job.....Sad, but I can understand this....American companies are just as pussified as the ones they sponsor. All this does is re-enforce, justify and empower idiots like Sharpton and Jackson who love to capitalize on imaginary racism.Turquoise wrote:
It's a bit puzzling when someone who clearly has a target audience that wouldn't expect an apology still chooses to apologize. I think what may have influenced this choice was regarding advertisers.lowing wrote:
In my mind Dr. Laura sold out her beliefs to political correctness by making an apology she knows and we know she does not believe in. If any apology is owed it is because of this. SHe said what she said, she is correct, stand behind your beliefs
Glenn Beck made some controversial racial remark about a year ago that resulted in him losing many sponsors for his TV show. Had he chosen to apologize right after the remark, that probably wouldn't have happened. It's not that these companies really cared about the people offended -- they just don't want to be associated with perceptions of racism, so they withdrew their support.
So yeah, political correctness does wield a certain amount of power among public perceptions. Granted, it's not limited to racism. There are also issues connected to patriotism and religion that are part of a more right leaning political correctness.
Yes, and a cracker is a biscuit for cheese
Fuck Israel
Yes but black strangers also use the word to other blacks they do not know.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its not racist.lowing wrote:
You are saying exactly what Dr. Laura asks... Words are now allowed only according to race? A white person using it, even in the context of that discussion is wrong, but blacks can use it any way they see fit? How racist is that?
If my friend calls me a dickhead its not an issue.
If some yob in a bar calls me a dickhead its an issue.
See the difference?
(They may be the same person, but lets forget that for now )
Can a white comedian say it? Can a black comedian say it? In botrh cases the comedian does not know their audiance
See the difference?
Last edited by lowing (2010-08-13 06:58:50)
Speaking of this, are blacks allowed to use the "C word" anyone going on prime time demanding and apology for a black comedian using the word cracker? I mean the "C word"Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, and a cracker is a biscuit for cheese
Its a cultural thing, relax, its not a big deal.
Fuck Israel
No, generally it would be unwise to do so.lowing wrote:
Speaking of this, are blacks allowed to use the "C word" anyone going on prime time demanding and apology for a black comedian using the word cracker? I mean the "C word"Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, and a cracker is a biscuit for cheese
Same as fat comedians can rip hell out of themselves and other fat people, thin comedians not so much.
Fuck Israel
To a degree, yes, but they certainly don't have a monopoly on this superficiality. We see similar things among the Tea Party. Sarah Palin is sort of a patriotic version of Sharpton, with the same sort of shallow rhetoric hooking in her followers.lowing wrote:
So a fake apology for the sake of saving her job.....Sad, but I can understand this....American companies are just as pussified as the ones they sponsor. All this does is re-enforce, justify and empower idiots like Sharpton and Jackson who love to capitalize on imaginary racism.Turquoise wrote:
It's a bit puzzling when someone who clearly has a target audience that wouldn't expect an apology still chooses to apologize. I think what may have influenced this choice was regarding advertisers.lowing wrote:
In my mind Dr. Laura sold out her beliefs to political correctness by making an apology she knows and we know she does not believe in. If any apology is owed it is because of this. SHe said what she said, she is correct, stand behind your beliefs
Glenn Beck made some controversial racial remark about a year ago that resulted in him losing many sponsors for his TV show. Had he chosen to apologize right after the remark, that probably wouldn't have happened. It's not that these companies really cared about the people offended -- they just don't want to be associated with perceptions of racism, so they withdrew their support.
So yeah, political correctness does wield a certain amount of power among public perceptions. Granted, it's not limited to racism. There are also issues connected to patriotism and religion that are part of a more right leaning political correctness.
To me, it's not so much a left/right issue as it is one involving intelligent people vs. stupid people.
Unfortunately, the abundance of stupid people in general makes a lot of issues very heavy on emotional manipulation rather than rational discussion.
Your South African roots are showing in this threadDilbert_X wrote:
Its a cultural thing, relax, its not a big deal.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
If it is no big deal...............................Then why are they making a big deal about it?Dilbert_X wrote:
Its a cultural thing, relax, its not a big deal.
Someone should tell Chris Rock that he owes all of white America an apology for using cracker sucessfully in his routine. Maybe Sharpton will tell him.Dilbert_X wrote:
No, generally it would be unwise to do so.lowing wrote:
Speaking of this, are blacks allowed to use the "C word" anyone going on prime time demanding and apology for a black comedian using the word cracker? I mean the "C word"Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, and a cracker is a biscuit for cheese
Same as fat comedians can rip hell out of themselves and other fat people, thin comedians not so much.
Last edited by lowing (2010-08-13 07:08:05)
What does Palin say or do that can remotely compared to what Sharpton does? SHe is a conservative whith conservative POV. Other than this I agreeTurquoise wrote:
To a degree, yes, but they certainly don't have a monopoly on this superficiality. We see similar things among the Tea Party. Sarah Palin is sort of a patriotic version of Sharpton, with the same sort of shallow rhetoric hooking in her followers.lowing wrote:
So a fake apology for the sake of saving her job.....Sad, but I can understand this....American companies are just as pussified as the ones they sponsor. All this does is re-enforce, justify and empower idiots like Sharpton and Jackson who love to capitalize on imaginary racism.Turquoise wrote:
It's a bit puzzling when someone who clearly has a target audience that wouldn't expect an apology still chooses to apologize. I think what may have influenced this choice was regarding advertisers.
Glenn Beck made some controversial racial remark about a year ago that resulted in him losing many sponsors for his TV show. Had he chosen to apologize right after the remark, that probably wouldn't have happened. It's not that these companies really cared about the people offended -- they just don't want to be associated with perceptions of racism, so they withdrew their support.
So yeah, political correctness does wield a certain amount of power among public perceptions. Granted, it's not limited to racism. There are also issues connected to patriotism and religion that are part of a more right leaning political correctness.
To me, it's not so much a left/right issue as it is one involving intelligent people vs. stupid people.
Unfortunately, the abundance of stupid people in general makes a lot of issues very heavy on emotional manipulation rather than rational discussion.
"They"?lowing wrote:
If it is no big deal...............................Then why are they making a big deal about it?Dilbert_X wrote:
Its a cultural thing, relax, its not a big deal.
Sharpton is Sharpton.
You are you.
Both of you making headlines for fuck all.
I think I explained this already. It's polite.lowing wrote:
you are right this is a black and white issue......Which side of it do you fall on? Either an apology is warranted or it is not. There is no "just in case apology".
You don't go out much do you?