the pizza guy would get a fatter tip if they didnt charge those few bucks for the delivery fee
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You can thank Papa John's for that one. Bastard started the trend on a national level while he lives in a ridiculously large house.eleven bravo wrote:
the pizza guy would get a fatter tip if they didnt charge those few bucks for the delivery fee
Newp, really has nothing to do with that. I've had managers comp parts of meals and hand me the money if I've gotten stiffed on a tip.Turquoise wrote:
To be honest, the answer to this is that most restaurant owners are cheap mother@#$%ers.mikkel wrote:
So why have an obligatory tip in the first place?
Two reasons:
1) It motivates the server to work hard.
2) It motivates the server to 'up sell'; drinks, deserts etc. because they know they will get a piece of the revenue generated by it.
The system as set up is the ultimate form of profit sharing. Instead of bitching about having to tip or talking about how retarded the system is, look at it from the perspective of those actually involved. The owner gets a motivated employee who acts as a sales person instead of simply a food runner, the server has a chance to exceed minimum wage by a large margin, and the customer wins because they end up with better service, albeit a bit lighter in the pocket.
Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-08-10 10:57:59)
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-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
This only works if the majority of your culture tips according to service. Plenty of people (as we've discussed) don't fit that mold.JohnG@lt wrote:
Newp, really has nothing to do with that. I've had managers comp parts of meals and hand me the money if I've gotten stiffed on a tip.Turquoise wrote:
To be honest, the answer to this is that most restaurant owners are cheap mother@#$%ers.mikkel wrote:
So why have an obligatory tip in the first place?
Two reasons:
1) It motivates the server to work hard.
2) It motivates the server to 'up sell'; drinks, deserts etc. because they know they will get a piece of the revenue generated by it.
The system as set up is the ultimate form of profit sharing. Instead of bitching about having to tip or talking about how retarded the system is, look at it from the perspective of those actually involved. The owner gets a motivated employee who acts as a sales person instead of simply a food runner, the server has a chance to exceed minimum wage by a large margin, and the customer wins because they end up with better service, albeit a bit lighter in the pocket.
And since apparently most of the world does just fine with a non-tip based system, I don't see why we have to be the odd man out. It just panders to owners that don't want to pay a decent wage.
Otherwise, if your logic was realistic, how come all sales positions don't follow this mold? Car salesmen surely get more than $3 an hour as their base wage. There's really not much reason to treat waitstaff so different from the rest of us.
Its a cultural divide and one that were not going to bridge on this forum. Nobody is going to compromise on this really.
Car salesmen make dick for an hourly wage.Turquoise wrote:
This only works if the majority of your culture tips according to service. Plenty of people (as we've discussed) don't fit that mold.JohnG@lt wrote:
Newp, really has nothing to do with that. I've had managers comp parts of meals and hand me the money if I've gotten stiffed on a tip.Turquoise wrote:
To be honest, the answer to this is that most restaurant owners are cheap mother@#$%ers.
Two reasons:
1) It motivates the server to work hard.
2) It motivates the server to 'up sell'; drinks, deserts etc. because they know they will get a piece of the revenue generated by it.
The system as set up is the ultimate form of profit sharing. Instead of bitching about having to tip or talking about how retarded the system is, look at it from the perspective of those actually involved. The owner gets a motivated employee who acts as a sales person instead of simply a food runner, the server has a chance to exceed minimum wage by a large margin, and the customer wins because they end up with better service, albeit a bit lighter in the pocket.
And since apparently most of the world does just fine with a non-tip based system, I don't see why we have to be the odd man out. It just panders to owners that don't want to pay a decent wage.
Otherwise, if your logic was realistic, how come all sales positions don't follow this mold? Car salesmen surely get more than $3 an hour as their base wage. There's really not much reason to treat waitstaff so different from the rest of us.
Edit - and your need to conform is rather sickening "everyone else is doing it so it must be right". Such a typical American lefty
Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-08-10 11:08:46)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I prefer the term "worldly"..JohnG@lt wrote:
Car salesmen make dick for an hourly wage.Turquoise wrote:
This only works if the majority of your culture tips according to service. Plenty of people (as we've discussed) don't fit that mold.JohnG@lt wrote:
Newp, really has nothing to do with that. I've had managers comp parts of meals and hand me the money if I've gotten stiffed on a tip.
Two reasons:
1) It motivates the server to work hard.
2) It motivates the server to 'up sell'; drinks, deserts etc. because they know they will get a piece of the revenue generated by it.
The system as set up is the ultimate form of profit sharing. Instead of bitching about having to tip or talking about how retarded the system is, look at it from the perspective of those actually involved. The owner gets a motivated employee who acts as a sales person instead of simply a food runner, the server has a chance to exceed minimum wage by a large margin, and the customer wins because they end up with better service, albeit a bit lighter in the pocket.
And since apparently most of the world does just fine with a non-tip based system, I don't see why we have to be the odd man out. It just panders to owners that don't want to pay a decent wage.
Otherwise, if your logic was realistic, how come all sales positions don't follow this mold? Car salesmen surely get more than $3 an hour as their base wage. There's really not much reason to treat waitstaff so different from the rest of us.
Edit - and your need to conform is rather sickening "everyone else is doing it so it must be right". Such a typical American lefty
I only give 20% if she's hot and attentive to my needs.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
Vilham wrote:
Since when has 20% ever been standard? Ive never even heard of tipping 20%.JohnG@lt wrote:
There is a cultural divide between Europeans and Americans on this subject.
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Only in America can a significant amount of people make $25/hr without even a high school diploma. Oldest profession excluded...
My Uncle makes around 250k a year and has 1.8 million dollars in assets. Never received any formal education and came to America with $200 bucks at the age of 17.
Last edited by 13/f/taiwan (2010-08-10 14:33:01)
hook it up with a dub
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I said a "significant amount" of people. Your Uncle's case doesn't apply to most wait staff.13/f/taiwan wrote:
My Uncle makes around 250k a year and has 1.8 million dollars in assets. Never received any formal education and came to America with $200 bucks at the age of 17.
I used to have close to 1.8 million dollars in assets. sniff sniff...
im happy to only be a couple of thousand dollars in debt
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Are you crying or are you implying you were a coke head?Ilocano wrote:
I said a "significant amount" of people. Your Uncle's case doesn't apply to most wait staff.13/f/taiwan wrote:
My Uncle makes around 250k a year and has 1.8 million dollars in assets. Never received any formal education and came to America with $200 bucks at the age of 17.
I used to have close to 1.8 million dollars in assets. sniff sniff...
if you don't mind me asking, what happened?
QQ... Besides, I'm Asian. We weren't the one's doing the sniffing....Macbeth wrote:
Are you crying or are you implying you were a coke head?Ilocano wrote:
I said a "significant amount" of people. Your Uncle's case doesn't apply to most wait staff.13/f/taiwan wrote:
My Uncle makes around 250k a year and has 1.8 million dollars in assets. Never received any formal education and came to America with $200 bucks at the age of 17.
I used to have close to 1.8 million dollars in assets. sniff sniff...
opium den?
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That's racist GS.
I always tip. It's a tough job and keeps the prices down.
I always tip. It's a tough job and keeps the prices down.
Shitty servers get fired, not carried on a salary.JohnG@lt wrote:
I haven't run it into the ground in the slightest. You want the shitty servers/waiters carried on a salary and we want our shitty servers/waiters to quit the job because they aren't making enough tips to support themselves.
Why is getting your nom-noms a few seconds quicker such a big deal, aren't you just big impatient babies?
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-08-10 17:07:55)
Fuck Israel
With the economy in the tank, I'm getting served better these days...
I tip at restaurants if there's a jar or a line for it on the receipt. One buck minimum (Subway & shit), 20% (sometimes shared) maximum. Helps my peace of mind at joints where I'm a regular if I'm known to the staff to be a tipper.
It's ridiculous that it should even be a concern to begin with.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I tip at restaurants if there's a jar or a line for it on the receipt. One buck minimum (Subway & shit), 20% (sometimes shared) maximum. Helps my peace of mind at joints where I'm a regular if I'm known to the staff to be a tipper.
Why does it pain your sensibilities so much?mikkel wrote:
It's ridiculous that it should even be a concern to begin with.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I tip at restaurants if there's a jar or a line for it on the receipt. One buck minimum (Subway & shit), 20% (sometimes shared) maximum. Helps my peace of mind at joints where I'm a regular if I'm known to the staff to be a tipper.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat