BF2S Forums Tipping

JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I've seen a waitress chase a customer into the parking lot saying 'you forgot your change' after they left her a $2 tip on a $100 meal. Not getting a tip is such an exceptional occurrence here that this would happen. I've seen waitresses break down and cry after busting their ass to serve a table well and then not receive a penny.

Thats demeaning and unnecessary, why do it?

Why work in sales? Why work in any commission based job? Because the likelihood is that you will end up making more money than if you had a fixed salary. I'm having a bad day if I'm not pulling in $25 an hour in tips alone. Will any restaurant in the world pay me $25 an hour to wait tables? Doubtful.

Any restaurant in the world? You'd pull $20/hour as the absolute minimum in Denmark.

JohnG@lt wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Why work in sales? Why work in any commission based job? Because the likelihood is that you will end up making more money than if you had a fixed salary. I'm having a bad day if I'm not pulling in $25 an hour in tips alone. Will any restaurant in the world pay me $25 an hour to wait tables? Doubtful.

I'm not one to know the exact wages of waiters, but $25 an hour doesn't seem at all excessive for certain times/restaurants.

Then look at it this way. Why should two people be paid the same regardless of the effort they put in? In this system hard work and effort is rewarded, as well as having the people skills required of someone in the job. The best servers make the best wages and the poor ones make poor wages. Why should they be evened out by a fixed salary?

That's what discretionary tipping is for.

Last edited by mikkel (2010-08-10 07:53:19)

mikkel wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Thats demeaning and unnecessary, why do it?

Why work in sales? Why work in any commission based job? Because the likelihood is that you will end up making more money than if you had a fixed salary. I'm having a bad day if I'm not pulling in $25 an hour in tips alone. Will any restaurant in the world pay me $25 an hour to wait tables? Doubtful.

Any restaurant in the world? You'd pull $20/hour as the absolute minimum in Denmark.

I'm talking a shitty local chain restaurant that I used to work in where the prices were pretty dirt cheap. You had to work way harder for the $25 an hour than you would've in a fine dining restaurant where the average diner spends $100 per plate.

JohnG@lt wrote:

mikkel wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Why work in sales? Why work in any commission based job? Because the likelihood is that you will end up making more money than if you had a fixed salary. I'm having a bad day if I'm not pulling in $25 an hour in tips alone. Will any restaurant in the world pay me $25 an hour to wait tables? Doubtful.

Any restaurant in the world? You'd pull $20/hour as the absolute minimum in Denmark.

I'm talking a shitty local chain restaurant that I used to work in where the prices were pretty dirt cheap. You had to work way harder for the $25 an hour than you would've in a fine dining restaurant where the average diner spends $100 per plate.

That $20/hour absolute minimum is what you get working in those shitty places in Denmark.

JohnG@lt wrote:

mikkel wrote:

That's what discretionary tipping is for.

It's really no different here. 15% is the base and you go higher for exceptional service. The only difference is that instead of paying the wage of your server indirectly, you do it directly.

So why have an obligatory tip in the first place?

Last edited by mikkel (2010-08-10 07:56:28)

JohnG@lt wrote:

mikkel wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I'm talking a shitty local chain restaurant that I used to work in where the prices were pretty dirt cheap. You had to work way harder for the $25 an hour than you would've in a fine dining restaurant where the average diner spends $100 per plate.

That $20/hour absolute minimum is what you get working in those shitty places around here.

Want a cookie? I bet they are unionized too.

A cookie? You asked if any restaurant would pay you $25/hour to wait tables. I gave you an affirmative answer. A little maturity wouldn't kill you.

JohnG@lt wrote:

mikkel wrote:

So why have an obligatory tip in the first place?

It... is... our... culture...

Why do Finns spend hours in saunas and then jump in a half frozen lake?

Why even waste people's time arguing the merits of a system if you're just going to fall back on "it... is... our... culture..." when you run your argument into the ground?

mikkel wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

mikkel wrote:

So why have an obligatory tip in the first place?

It... is... our... culture...

Why do Finns spend hours in saunas and then jump in a half frozen lake?

Why even waste people's time arguing the merits of a system if you're just going to fall back on "it... is... our... culture..." when you run your argument into the ground?

I haven't run it into the ground in the slightest. You want the shitty servers/waiters carried on a salary and we want our shitty servers/waiters to quit the job because they aren't making enough tips to support themselves.

this faggot ass bartender in ayia napa made me quite a few cocktails and out of the goodness of my heart i was thinking about maybe giving him a tip when i ordered my last drink (not that he deserves it, hes doing his job like everyone else, he gets a wage, why do bars deserve tips?) before we left that bar.  as i was paying for my next to last drink and he was returning my change to me he said "i think i deserve this no?" and began to place it in his tip box! wtf! CUNT. you dont ask for tips you stupid blonde prick, i let him have it anyway seen as i was in a good mood, hes very lucky, any other day and theres a chance he could of got knocked the fuck out. prick

JohnG@lt wrote:

I'm just failing to understand why this infuriates your sensibilities so much. Adding 15% gratuity to a restaurant bill is like breathing.

Because I like to pay the advertised price. Also it doesn't 'infuriate' me, just seems retarded (cause it is).

$63.52 plus 15% off coupon.  go!

i might give restaurants a <50p tip if i cba to wait for my change, otherwise they can go fist themselves

Last edited by SamTheMan (2010-08-10 08:18:09)

DrunkFace wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

$63.52 plus 15% off coupon.  go!

approx $54

No sales tax?

DrunkFace wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

approx $54

No sales tax?

included in price...

True, most countries are more honest about final prices than here.