Sommeliers do.Buckles wrote:
lol professional waiters.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because a servers wages are predicated on having the tip built in. Minimum wage is about $8 here in America and servers only get paid $3 an hour. We don't have the high wages that professional waiters in Europe get where it's actually a career.Bertster7 wrote:
When it's such a pitiful amount, then it's not a big deal - but I'm still against it in principle (why should someone be paid extra for just doing their job?). When you've just paid £200-300 for a meal then the difference between a 10 and 20% tip is a lot bigger....
If they do their job very well, then absolutely they deserve a tip and they'll certainly get one from me (though perhaps not a 20% tip on a £300 bill).
There is a cultural divide between Europeans and Americans on this subject.
The waiting staff in the kind of places I eat (i.e. chain restaurants, £40 meal for two type places) are either at uni/college, waiting to go to uni/college, uni/college dropouts, or graduates who have fancy degrees but can't get a proper job because they have no experience and no-one is hiring.
I doubt even a waiter at a glitzy London, Michelen Star join earns close to £20kpa on salary.
To be a sommelier requires in depth knowledge and expertise. A good sommelier is an asset to a restaurant, and their skill would merit a better salary than a waiter.Bertster7 wrote:
Sommeliers do.
As I said, I always tip about 10%, but I've never eaten anywhere that has blown me away with the service. When I eat out at a restaurant, it's usaully because I want a cheap meal out. When I'm on holiday, I tip very generously because; a) I feel the service and experience is better, and b) I have a few preferred restaurants in Corfu, and so am friendly with the staff/owners. If I were rich enough to eat at a posh joint, I'd tip more if the service was as exceptional as you'd expect from a swanky metropolitan restaurant.
This isn't really related to the restaurant tip debate, but I have a friend who works in a casino in London and they told him the average tip per night for the croupiers was around £7,000.
They also bought one of the guests an £80,000 handbag to say thank you for playing there. lol.
They also bought one of the guests an £80,000 handbag to say thank you for playing there. lol.
I still think he is bullshitting you Dauntless.
Things like that do happen.
My ex uncle did pmc work, said when he was bodyguarding some saudi and the guy would buy a sportscar for one specific trip, use it and then give it away, sometimes to his protection.
I find apathy the best defence against other peoples good fortune.
My ex uncle did pmc work, said when he was bodyguarding some saudi and the guy would buy a sportscar for one specific trip, use it and then give it away, sometimes to his protection.
I find apathy the best defence against other peoples good fortune.
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I tip really well. I have to make up for all of the bla.... er... shitty tippers around here.
In 'the business', they are referred to as canadians (lower case c).Turquoise wrote:
I tip really well. I have to make up for all of the bla.... er... shitty tippers around here.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I tip 10% to 15% depending on how much I liked the meal and the quality of the service.
So the cooks directly affect the waiters and waitresses who get tips from me. It mostly depends on the quality of said water/waitress though.
So the cooks directly affect the waiters and waitresses who get tips from me. It mostly depends on the quality of said water/waitress though.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
And they don't tip cause they get shit service... and the cycle continues.JohnG@lt wrote:
Then you got lucky Black people and foreigners generally get shit service because they don't tip.Bertster7 wrote:
I've typically had pretty good service whenever I've eaten at restaurants in the US. Usually flirty waitresses and they often get decent tips from me....JohnG@lt wrote:
Well, now you know in advance why you received poor service in a restaurant next time you visit the US.
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
Enjoy a destroyed restaurant business.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
It's really a cultural thing, so you shouldn't IMHO straight-off call everyone a cheap fuck.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
Some countries have a custom of tipping 5-10%, some more, some not at all. Some countries have high enough minimum wages that a tip is an extra and not an integral part of getting by.
I don't know about Lithuania, maybe 20% is an expected tip to give. In that case, good to know, thanks! Now I won't come off as a cheap fuck if/when I visit your country.
I need around tree fiddy.
lol what? I used to be a waiter in the US for about 5 different restaurants and 18-20%+ was usually the norm, <15% was below avg. gratuity ("required" tip) ranged anywhere from 15-20% for larger parties. stdCybargs wrote:
Enjoy a destroyed restaurant business.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
what does your comment even mean? it's not like anyone on behalf of the restaurant is pointing a gun at your head, requiring you to pay the certain %
Why should a "tip" be standard?[-DER-]Omega wrote:
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
If it were standard it no longer becomes "voluntary", so why not just increase the price.A tip (also called a gratuity) is a voluntary extra payment
true. it is a cultural thing. my comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously. hell, it's not uncommon albeit unfair for people not to tip at all in lithuania.DonFck wrote:
It's really a cultural thing, so you shouldn't IMHO straight-off call everyone a cheap fuck.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
Some countries have a custom of tipping 5-10%, some more, some not at all. Some countries have high enough minimum wages that a tip is an extra and not an integral part of getting by.
I don't know about Lithuania, maybe 20% is an expected tip to give. In that case, good to know, thanks! Now I won't come off as a cheap fuck if/when I visit your country.
provided expected, timely service and a quality meal, people should do their part and give something in return. most restaurants require servers to pay out a certain % of their tips to their staff (hosts, bartenders, etc) so at the end of the day, a 10% tip becomes rather minuscule.DrunkFace wrote:
Why should a "tip" be standard?[-DER-]Omega wrote:
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
Unless you lower the salaries and the food, it will be hard as shit running a restaurant that charges 20% on the side (assuming the tips go directly to the waitress'/waiters). Unless you're a high class restaurant and your customers can throw cash around like crazy.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
lol what? I used to be a waiter in the US for about 5 different restaurants and 18-20%+ was usually the norm, <15% was below avg. gratuity ("required" tip) ranged anywhere from 15-20% for larger parties. stdCybargs wrote:
Enjoy a destroyed restaurant business.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
what does your comment even mean? it's not like anyone on behalf of the restaurant is pointing a gun at your head, requiring you to pay the certain %
That's there job. It's what their employer has hired them to do, if they fail to do that, they lose a customer for life. I'll tip if the service is exceptional, but good food and timely service does not alone qualify as 'exceptional', it is expected.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
provided expected, timely service and a quality meal, people should do their part and give something in return. most restaurants require servers to pay out a certain % of their tips to their staff (hosts, bartenders, etc) so at the end of the day, a 10% tip becomes rather minuscule.DrunkFace wrote:
Why should a "tip" be standard?[-DER-]Omega wrote:
bunch of cheap fucks itt. 20% should be standard
restaurants usually "charge" a % of the bill usually only for larger parties (otherwise tips are purely voluntary) since servers can get royally fucked if they get left nothing on say, a $200 bill. that's because most restaurants require the waiter to contribute to "tipshare," to pay out a % of their total tips to their coworkers (the avg being about 2-3% of total tips). So if the waiter isn't tipped on a $200 tab, not only does he get nothing, he also has to pay his coworkers about $6 out of his own pocket.Cybargs wrote:
Unless you lower the salaries and the food, it will be hard as shit running a restaurant that charges 20% on the side (assuming the tips go directly to the waitress'/waiters). Unless you're a high class restaurant and your customers can throw cash around like crazy.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
lol what? I used to be a waiter in the US for about 5 different restaurants and 18-20%+ was usually the norm, <15% was below avg. gratuity ("required" tip) ranged anywhere from 15-20% for larger parties. stdCybargs wrote:
Enjoy a destroyed restaurant business.
what does your comment even mean? it's not like anyone on behalf of the restaurant is pointing a gun at your head, requiring you to pay the certain %
again this is from my experience working in the US. obv other places have different rules and standards
note the fact that typically, the vast majority of a waiter's pay comes from tips and not hourly wage assigned by the restaurant. a server is gonna be making fuck all when he's tipped 10% or less and being paid 1/2 minimum wage and has to account for tipshare.DrunkFace wrote:
That's there job. It's what their employer has hired them to do, if they fail to do that, they lose a customer for life. I'll tip if the service is exceptional, but good food and timely service does not alone qualify as 'exceptional', it is expected.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
provided expected, timely service and a quality meal, people should do their part and give something in return. most restaurants require servers to pay out a certain % of their tips to their staff (hosts, bartenders, etc) so at the end of the day, a 10% tip becomes rather minuscule.DrunkFace wrote:
Why should a "tip" be standard?
Since when has 20% ever been standard? Ive never even heard of tipping 20%.
Vilham wrote:
Since when has 20% ever been standard? Ive never even heard of tipping 20%.
JohnG@lt wrote:
There is a cultural divide between Europeans and Americans on this subject.
Your argument is retarded. Increase prices and pay your employees a proper wage. Tips are a bonus over and above your wage.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
note the fact that typically, the vast majority of a waiter's pay comes from tips and not hourly wage assigned by the restaurant. a server is gonna be making fuck all when he's tipped 10% or less and being paid 1/2 minimum wage and has to account for tipshare.DrunkFace wrote:
That's there job. It's what their employer has hired them to do, if they fail to do that, they lose a customer for life. I'll tip if the service is exceptional, but good food and timely service does not alone qualify as 'exceptional', it is expected.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
provided expected, timely service and a quality meal, people should do their part and give something in return. most restaurants require servers to pay out a certain % of their tips to their staff (hosts, bartenders, etc) so at the end of the day, a 10% tip becomes rather minuscule.
mikkel wrote:
I can't stand when people bring up these arguments in defense of tipping. Firstly, if people stopped tipping, you should be paying about the same for your food as you did for your food plus the customary tip. To suggest a positive benefit from aiding some lowlife in committing tax fraud using a portion of my money that I paid taxes on is ridiculous for obvious reasons. Secondly, people have their pay controlled for the quality of their work in every sector. If you do a good job, you get a pay cheque, and if you don't, you get fired. This doesn't change simply because you receive tips as part of your job.
Fuck Israel
How can you even be working at 1/2 minimum wage...[-DER-]Omega wrote:
note the fact that typically, the vast majority of a waiter's pay comes from tips and not hourly wage assigned by the restaurant. a server is gonna be making fuck all when he's tipped 10% or less and being paid 1/2 minimum wage and has to account for tipshare.DrunkFace wrote:
That's there job. It's what their employer has hired them to do, if they fail to do that, they lose a customer for life. I'll tip if the service is exceptional, but good food and timely service does not alone qualify as 'exceptional', it is expected.[-DER-]Omega wrote:
provided expected, timely service and a quality meal, people should do their part and give something in return. most restaurants require servers to pay out a certain % of their tips to their staff (hosts, bartenders, etc) so at the end of the day, a 10% tip becomes rather minuscule.