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Really?  Okay, so if you don't believe the accomplishments of individuals are evaluated when put into a list

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/15_01.htm
http://www.educationupdate.com/archives … raham.html

Plus there's that one about both being assasinated (irony)

But I'm pretty sure there's going to be a timeline of civil rights landmarks where they are both mentioned and what they did.

I'm sure this isn't enough for you, so instead, I'll concede the point.

I'll just ask where Palin is going to be put in the following lists (above MLK, according to you):

From RING WING news??? BLASPHEMY (#12)
http://www.rightwingnews.com/special/gr … igures.php

Greatest American (#3)
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/gr … rican.html



I continue to point this out...so let me tell you one more time.

You have stated that Palin has accomplished more than MLK.  I can link list after list which shows MLK is in the top ten (or higher).  These aren't MY lists.

So what is a more accurate statement: that MLK's publicized problems should eliminate him from consideration? or you are completely off based in your opinion?

And last, WTF...Palin?  You may have started with "how come Palin is treated differently" but you have since said "Palin has done more than MLK".

If you believe Palin has done more than MLK...you belong on the short bus.  If you honestly believe it: FUCKING PROVE IT.  I've already shown MLK's character isn't going to factor into the equation...it's up to you to support the current theory "Palin > MLK in accomplishments"

lowing just hates them darkies and isn't going to allow them to have any heroes.

Pug wrote:

Really?  Okay, so if you don't believe the accomplishments of individuals are evaluated when put into a list

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/15_01.htm
http://www.educationupdate.com/archives … raham.html

Plus there's that one about both being assasinated (irony)

But I'm pretty sure there's going to be a timeline of civil rights landmarks where they are both mentioned and what they did.

I'm sure this isn't enough for you, so instead, I'll concede the point.

I'll just ask where Palin is going to be put in the following lists (above MLK, according to you):

From RING WING news??? BLASPHEMY (#12)
http://www.rightwingnews.com/special/gr … igures.php

Greatest American (#3)
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/gr … rican.html



I continue to point this out...so let me tell you one more time.

You have stated that Palin has accomplished more than MLK.  I can link list after list which shows MLK is in the top ten (or higher).  These aren't MY lists.

So what is a more accurate statement: that MLK's publicized problems should eliminate him from consideration? or you are completely off based in your opinion?

And last, WTF...Palin?  You may have started with "how come Palin is treated differently" but you have since said "Palin has done more than MLK".

If you believe Palin has done more than MLK...you belong on the short bus.  If you honestly believe it: FUCKING PROVE IT.  I've already shown MLK's character isn't going to factor into the equation...it's up to you to support the current theory "Palin > MLK in accomplishments"

None of your links COMPARES MLK to Lincoln first of off. Might wanna read some it.

and I continue to point out the only comparison I was making between Palin and MLK was how or why one public figure was deserving privacy while another was not? ( an inconcictency yet unanaswered)

You are the one that harped on accomplishment rather than focus on the character of the man, drug me into an accomplishment argument so I made one.

but since you will not let it go. I listed both MLK and Palins accomplishments. They BOTH are authors, they BOTH were/are influential public speekers.  You are telling me Palin did not accomplish these things, I am telling you she did. If she is recognized for her work, either falsely or real, is another argument. but none the less she DID accomplish them.

Palin has committed no crimes. MLK has, ( a point that failed you when you tried to prove otherwise) Palin has not been proven to be morally compromised MLK has. Palin has not been proven to be a cheat, MLK has.

IN short, this is not an accomplishemnt issue, this is a character issue, and MLK, although huge in  false image, lacked moral character and integrity.
Yes, MLK and his "image" scored with the civil rights movement. But as Senior Toenails and I BOTH have pointed out. The civil rights movement and MLK are 2 separate issue.  Remove either one, and the other still exists intact.

lowing wrote:

None of your links COMPARES MLK to Lincoln first of off. Might wanna read some it.

It wouldn't matter for you at this point.  If I posted undeniable proof...you'd be "so the fuck what".  You have a list of American leaders...ranked.  Somehow they put them in order.  Are you fucking dumb enough to think they just put them in randomly?  So if not, how the fuck did they rank them?  BY NOT COMPARING THEM?

The idea is: you have denied MLK's accomplishments, yet are 100% incorrect.  Not only that, but you have posted "Palin is better than MLK".  How about showing evidence beyond your opinion....like another source hiding out on the internet?

lowing wrote:

and I continue to point out the only comparison I was making between Palin and MLK was how or why one public figure was deserving privacy while another was not? ( an inconcictency yet unanaswered)

You are the one that harped on accomplishment rather than focus on the character of the man, drug me into an accomplishment argument so I made one.

but since you will not let it go. I listed both MLK and Palins accomplishments. They BOTH are authors, they BOTH were/are influential public speekers.  You are telling me Palin did not accomplish these things, I am telling you she did. If she is recognized for her work, either falsely or real, is another argument. but none the less she DID accomplish them.

No lowing, I'm explaining there is no double standard.  I've told you why.  I'm not posting the same fucking argument over and over again because you are too ignorant to understand it. 

The current topic is "lowing thinks Palin has done more for the US than MLK".  I did not FORCE you to make that statement.  If you think Palin is a "great american" because she's done those things...well, I've done most of those too on a smaller scale.  Does that mean I should be compared with Palin?  How fucking dumb is that argument?

lowing wrote:

Palin has committed no crimes. MLK has, ( a point that failed you when you tried to prove otherwise) Palin has not been proven to be morally compromised MLK has. Palin has not been proven to be a cheat, MLK has.

IN short, this is not an accomplishemnt issue, this is a character issue, and MLK, although huge in  false image, lacked moral character and integrity.
Yes, MLK and his "image" scored with the civil rights movement. But as Senior Toenails and I BOTH have pointed out. The civil rights movement and MLK are 2 separate issue.  Remove either one, and the other still exists intact.

And I explained that as well.   I have said I agree that the dude did some shit.  But no one gives a shit.  And explained why.  And explained why its not a double standard.

BUT THAT ISN'T the current discussion point is it?

It's Palin > MLK.

By definition, if I post a list of heroes/leaders/influential Americans and MLK is ranked on that list....Its YOUR opinion that Palin's accomplishments put her above MLK and those below, right?

So prove it.  Shouldn't be hard since you've apparently ripped me to shreds 

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Pug just give up, as uzique explained a few weeks ago, lowing lives in some sort of internet-induced bizarro world. He seeks out information that validates is preconceived world views, while simultaneously shutting out all information that challenges them. He conditioned himself to think a certain way and to completely disregard all evidence that his views are incorrect. Arguing with someone like him is impossible, he is incapable of accepting any information as true if it challenges any of his views, and he is constantly conditioning himself so that he has reached a point where is believes are so thoroughly embedded in his brain that he cannot change them.

No arguing with him is possible. He has become immune to both appeals to emotions and rationality. You cannot argue with him.

And asking him to bring up facts is also impossible, because if he cannot find facts then he will change the subject, create a straw-man argument, or just ignore the demand altogether, because attempting and failing to justify this view is something  that he cannot bring himself to do. And as such he cannot respond appropriately to your requests that he justify himself.

time after time.

Pug wrote:

lowing wrote:

None of your links COMPARES MLK to Lincoln first of off. Might wanna read some it.

It wouldn't matter for you at this point.  If I posted undeniable proof...you'd be "so the fuck what".  You have a list of American leaders...ranked.  Somehow they put them in order.  Are you fucking dumb enough to think they just put them in randomly?  So if not, how the fuck did they rank them?  BY NOT COMPARING THEM?

The idea is: you have denied MLK's accomplishments, yet are 100% incorrect.  Not only that, but you have posted "Palin is better than MLK".  How about showing evidence beyond your opinion....like another source hiding out on the internet?

lowing wrote:

and I continue to point out the only comparison I was making between Palin and MLK was how or why one public figure was deserving privacy while another was not? ( an inconcictency yet unanaswered)

You are the one that harped on accomplishment rather than focus on the character of the man, drug me into an accomplishment argument so I made one.

but since you will not let it go. I listed both MLK and Palins accomplishments. They BOTH are authors, they BOTH were/are influential public speekers.  You are telling me Palin did not accomplish these things, I am telling you she did. If she is recognized for her work, either falsely or real, is another argument. but none the less she DID accomplish them.

No lowing, I'm explaining there is no double standard.  I've told you why.  I'm not posting the same fucking argument over and over again because you are too ignorant to understand it. 

The current topic is "lowing thinks Palin has done more for the US than MLK".  I did not FORCE you to make that statement.  If you think Palin is a "great american" because she's done those things...well, I've done most of those too on a smaller scale.  Does that mean I should be compared with Palin?  How fucking dumb is that argument?

lowing wrote:

Palin has committed no crimes. MLK has, ( a point that failed you when you tried to prove otherwise) Palin has not been proven to be morally compromised MLK has. Palin has not been proven to be a cheat, MLK has.

IN short, this is not an accomplishemnt issue, this is a character issue, and MLK, although huge in  false image, lacked moral character and integrity.
Yes, MLK and his "image" scored with the civil rights movement. But as Senior Toenails and I BOTH have pointed out. The civil rights movement and MLK are 2 separate issue.  Remove either one, and the other still exists intact.

And I explained that as well.   I have said I agree that the dude did some shit.  But no one gives a shit.  And explained why.  And explained why its not a double standard.

BUT THAT ISN'T the current discussion point is it?

It's Palin > MLK.

By definition, if I post a list of heroes/leaders/influential Americans and MLK is ranked on that list....Its YOUR opinion that Palin's accomplishments put her above MLK and those below, right?

So prove it.  Shouldn't be hard since you've apparently ripped me to shreds 

You are wrong....You said historians liken MLK to Lincoln, and the only thing you have shown for this is them ob the same list. THis does not mean they are compared. It means they are on the same list.

I also have never denied MLK's accomplishments. I am not talking about anything he accomplished I am talking about his character and the lack of morality integrity and honesty that has been proven, through his actions, against what he preaches.

Palin in comparison does own the moral high ground regarding morality and integrity.  Sorry no denying that.


Yo uare completely fucked up....All I have been doing is pounding his character, YOU have made accomplishment and civil rights a fuckin issue, better learn waht your argument is.

Stl lwaiting for the first time you answer wht MLK deserves privacy while Palin deserves to be dragged through the mud even though there is nothing on her.

No it is not Palin vs MLK....It is MLK is a piece of shit and I offer his theft lies adultery as evidence.

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Pug just give up, as uzique explained a few weeks ago, lowing lives in some sort of internet-induced bizarro world. He seeks out information that validates is preconceived world views, while simultaneously shutting out all information that challenges them. He conditioned himself to think a certain way and to completely disregard all evidence that his views are incorrect. Arguing with someone like him is impossible, he is incapable of accepting any information as true if it challenges any of his views, and he is constantly conditioning himself so that he has reached a point where is believes are so thoroughly embedded in his brain that he cannot change them.

This.

lowing wrote:

I coulda swore I posted facts that MLK was a piece of shit, liar, adulterer and plagiarizer with no moral compass and no integrity. oh well.

Its still irrelevant, anyway, same description applies to pretty well every US President in living memory.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-08-04 18:36:37)

No need to defend it, its irrelevant.

Its irrelevant, same as if Charles Darwin fathered a love-child, fiddled his tax return or were screaming gay.
Would it be relevant to his legacy? No.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-08-04 19:18:50)

lowing wrote:

MLK built an image of righteousness that is complete bullshit, hypocritical and fraudulent and compared to his message for the rest of us, it is relevant.

Please explain how having extra-marital affairs is relevant to black equality.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-08-04 19:30:10)

So you're basically blubbing about the fact MLK is on a list, and this has nothing to do with the OP - Equal Opportunity?

Please show me this list, the criteria for it and who else is on it and we'll talk.

SenorToenails wrote:

lowing wrote:

and I agree, so when talking about his lack of morality, integrity and honesty, stop mentioning the fuckin' civil rights movement, because we are not talking about the fuckin civil rights movement. We are talking about MLK.

Well, I'm not only talking about those.  I am referring to the man as a whole and his impact on American society, which is far greater than Palin's and those, in obviously more than just my opinion, overshadow his negative qualities.  This has been said repeatedly, but you don't seem to understand it.  You are the only one here who is ignoring most of MLK's accomplishments, and that is dishonest.

I am not making this a civil rights issue.  You are, by claiming I am.

It is relevant to the fact that as Pug has pointed out, MLK is listed as one of the greatest Americans in history. I believe in order to make such a list, especially for your rightousness, and moral compass, and message, that your character should be above reproach. His is not, he was a fraud and a cheat long before the civil rights movement as well as during it. This makes his character relevant to his percieved image, which is a lie and as one of the greatest Americans, his legacy. There is also nothing that leads me to believe that, if he had lived, he would not be involved in some Rangel type scandals and ethics concerns.

Last edited by lowing (2010-08-05 02:37:47)