ya i know its always the US blah blah blah one track record
Maybe you should stop believing everything the govt tells you.11 Bravo wrote:
ya i know its always the US blah blah blah one track record
Fuck Israel
yes i do i know im sorry i totally trust everything they tell me damn dude i know man sorry bro
Get yourself a copy of "Lockerbie, The Flight from Justice"
Fuck Israel
ill get right on that
If you can't find it I'll send a copy.
Fuck Israel
The guy will probably live another 20 years.
The real question is why the fuck is the government getting encouraged by BP to do a prisoner transfer deal. Don't blame the corporations for controlling the government, blame the government for letting it happen.11 Bravo wrote:
BRITISH petroleum is a bunch of cunts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100722/pl_ … kerbie_usa
Senate asking BP CEO to testify on Lockerbie
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A U.S. Senate panel is inviting BP Plc chief executive Tony Hayward to testify next week at a hearing on the release of the Lockerbie bomber, a Senate source told Reuters on Wednesday.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee also is requesting testimony from Mark Allen, who has served as an advisor to BP, said the source, who asked not to be named.
Senators want to learn whether the British oil giant influenced Scottish authorities' decision last year to release the Libyan man convicted of the 1988 bombing.
The invitations were going out on Wednesday evening, the source told Reuters.
BP confirmed recently it had encouraged the British government to complete a prisoner-transfer deal with Libya in 2007 because it was concerned a slow resolution would impact an offshore drilling deal with Libya.
But it denied it had lobbied for Scottish authorities to release Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, who had been convicted in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. The bombing killed 270 people, including 189 Americans.
Questions about the Lockerbie bomber's release have complicated relations between close allies Britain and the United States.
British Prime Minister David Cameron has condemned the bomber's release, which happened while he was opposition leader. But this week in Washington he also expressed the view that there is no evidence BP had a role in the decision, saying it was made by Scottish authorities.
New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez will chair the July 29 hearing of the Foreign Relations Committee, which will probe the circumstances surrounding the Lockerbie bomber's release.
British diplomats in Washington suggested there may be written submissions to the Senate panel from the British government as well as Scottish officials.
Hayward is well known to Washington after he testified to Congress on the Gulf oil spill. Allen worked for the British government before becoming an advisor to BP.
They should have told BP to fuck off or something, these oil companies hold so much sway in governments around the world that they can't. You can blame them, but really we should be blaming our governments.
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The decision to release Megrahi was taken by the Scottish govt, and the US govt was as keen to see him released as anyone.
If they can shift the blame to BP, who are already in the line of fire, they'll do it.
If they can shift the blame to BP, who are already in the line of fire, they'll do it.
Fuck Israel
they should. BP should die in fire.
The people responsible for the oil spill already died in a fire.
no, they did not.Macbeth wrote:
The people responsible for the oil spill already died in a fire.
Indeed.11 Bravo wrote:
no, they did not.Macbeth wrote:
The people responsible for the oil spill already died in a fire.
The people most directly responsible are the ones who didn't replace the broken part when they were told it was broken.
The people who were contractually obliged to maintain that, and who had been informed, but just cut corners, were Transocean.
BP is responsible for oversight of their contactors.
It's not oversight. It's deliberate corner cutting.11 Bravo wrote:
BP is responsible for oversight of their contactors.
Remotely disabling the sensors instead of replacing the faulty parts is entirely the fault of the contractors. It's not like BP told them to do that. They told them to run the rig properly and they failed in their responsibilities.
The direct blame lies with Transocean.
I heard that Halliburton were told to do a substandard job with the cement casing by BP, well that's what some BBC doc said. No doubt that the subcontracted companies have a huge blame in this still, but so do BP.Bertster7 wrote:
It's not oversight. It's deliberate corner cutting.11 Bravo wrote:
BP is responsible for oversight of their contactors.
Remotely disabling the sensors instead of replacing the faulty parts is entirely the fault of the contractors. It's not like BP told them to do that. They told them to run the rig properly and they failed in their responsibilities.
The direct blame lies with Transocean.
The simple fact is that the companies that were subcontracted were pretty much all American companies compared to BP, it's an election year and the US economy isn't going too well... they were never going to go after the American companies, it makes it all easier for the Americans when it was BP that was at the top of this operation and that they focus all their energy on them.
I heard that they were opening criminal proceedings against all companies involved in this, but so far I've only heard about BP getting in trouble.
BP hires and pays the contractors and is ultimately responsible. period. fuck sakes you guys keep dancing it makes you look stupid.
Well, the federal government owns the land, so aren't they ultimately responsible?11 Bravo wrote:
BP hires and pays the contractors and is ultimately responsible. period. fuck sakes you guys keep dancing it makes you look stupid.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That's not really what they said. You're talking about the Panorama episode on this, right?Mekstizzle wrote:
I heard that Halliburton were told to do a substandard job with the cement casing by BP, well that's what some BBC doc said. No doubt that the subcontracted companies have a huge blame in this still, but so do BP.Bertster7 wrote:
It's not oversight. It's deliberate corner cutting.11 Bravo wrote:
BP is responsible for oversight of their contactors.
Remotely disabling the sensors instead of replacing the faulty parts is entirely the fault of the contractors. It's not like BP told them to do that. They told them to run the rig properly and they failed in their responsibilities.
The direct blame lies with Transocean.
The simple fact is that the companies that were subcontracted were pretty much all American companies compared to BP, it's an election year and the US economy isn't going too well... they were never going to go after the American companies, it makes it all easier for the Americans when it was BP that was at the top of this operation and that they focus all their energy on them.
I heard that they were opening criminal proceedings against all companies involved in this, but so far I've only heard about BP getting in trouble.
BP told them to put the concrete in in a certain way. It wasn't the cement casing that caused the problem, it was the blow out preventer (BOP) not working. The crew reported this as not working and Transocean turned it off remotely.
The cement issue may well have been a factor, but it can't be a major one - as we can now tell, because otherwise the cap wouldn't be working as well as it is.
no...they own all land. that makes no sense.JohnG@lt wrote:
Well, the federal government owns the land, so aren't they ultimately responsible?11 Bravo wrote:
BP hires and pays the contractors and is ultimately responsible. period. fuck sakes you guys keep dancing it makes you look stupid.
So if you hire someone and they do something completely contrary to what you tell them, you are responsible?11 Bravo wrote:
BP hires and pays the contractors and is ultimately responsible. period. fuck sakes you guys keep dancing it makes you look stupid.
That's just stupid.
lol...if i hire someone to do something i should at least make sure it is done correctly yes? wow. this is amazing.Bertster7 wrote:
So if you hire someone and they do something completely contrary to what you tell them, you are responsible?11 Bravo wrote:
BP hires and pays the contractors and is ultimately responsible. period. fuck sakes you guys keep dancing it makes you look stupid.
That's just stupid.
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You're blaming BP because it owned the lease, but BP had subcontracted out the work to Transocean and Halliburton.11 Bravo wrote:
no...they own all land. that makes no sense.JohnG@lt wrote:
Well, the federal government owns the land, so aren't they ultimately responsible?11 Bravo wrote:
BP hires and pays the contractors and is ultimately responsible. period. fuck sakes you guys keep dancing it makes you look stupid.
So... the chain of ultimate responsibility goes like this Halliburton < Transocean < BP < Federal Government using your logic. At each stage, the work was pushed down to a lower level.
Berster is arguing that those directly at the scene had the most responsibility for preventing a blowout and a disaster. This is entirely logical and I happen to agree with Berster.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It would be interesting to see what the Courts say who's ultimately responsible. I'm sure everyone on each side has a crew of Lawyers working on this 24/7 to limit their liability to their companies' stockholders.
I'm also concerned who is Criminally Negligent in all this. I'll assume we won't know this until right before 2012 elections though.
I'm also concerned who is Criminally Negligent in all this. I'll assume we won't know this until right before 2012 elections though.
so if i rape a chick at a bus stop the state is responsible?