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2010-07-19 22:29:31
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6833|San Diego, CA, USA
Was reading this article:

http://www.epmag.com/2010/July/item63533.php  via http://www.drudgereport.com/

and it details the impact of a Moratorium.  Now I understand that we want to review our safety measures at off-short oil platforms and all, but is stopping all off-short oil the best thing to be doing at this time when the economy is running on empty so to speak?

Can't we review our safety procedures while still drilling domestic oil?

The $500 million in lost revenue during the 6-month Moratorium to the Gulf States.  The decision just seems short-sighted and ill-informed.
2010-07-19 22:39:45
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6814|Global Command
1) A spike in oil prices will be a death blow to the economy, which is what o wants
2) Being short-sighted and ill-informed is government sop.
2010-07-19 22:39:54
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina
Some things are more important than short term profits.
2010-07-19 22:51:36
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7001

ATG wrote:

1) A spike in oil prices will be a death blow to the economy, which is what o wants
2) Being short-sighted and ill-informed is government sop.
Canada is still pumping lots of oil for the US. This won't affect oil prices that much.
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2010-07-19 22:54:54
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6814|Global Command
Canada also leases drilling rights to Chinese companies to plunder natural gas from the Great Lakes while we don't allow it.
2010-07-19 22:56:24
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7001

ATG wrote:

Canada also leases drilling rights to Chinese companies to plunder natural gas from the Great Lakes while we don't allow it.
Source pl0x. I know Canadians are huge huge freaks when it comes to the environment. US is already drilling gas from Arkansas anyway...
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2010-07-19 23:26:36
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,816|6391|eXtreme to the maX
Its been demonstrated the oil companies don't have a plan A or B if a well blows, until they do a moratorium makes sense.
Fuck Israel
2010-07-20 02:08:01
NAthANSmitt
Stud
+4|6414
No if it happens again Obama will personally swim down 2 miles into the ocean and plug it with his finger.
2010-07-20 15:20:45
13rin
Member
+977|6764

Dilbert_X wrote:

Its been demonstrated the oil companies don't have a plan A or B if a well blows, until they do a moratorium makes sense.
Yea.  Good luck on getting anyone to agree to it.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2010-07-20 17:42:32
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6696|'Murka

Harmor wrote:

The decision just seems short-sighted and ill-informed.
Sounds familiar.

That happens a lot.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2010-07-20 18:18:35
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

FEOS wrote:

Harmor wrote:

The decision just seems short-sighted and ill-informed.
Sounds familiar.

That happens a lot.
In this case it's pretty damn ridiculous. Between 40,000-80,000 people depend on the offshore drilling industry for direct employment down in the gulf region. Then there are hundreds of thousands of people that benefit second hand. Hell, the majority of the revenue Louisiana and Mississippi state governments bring in are dependent on drilling. Now we're talking school closures and myriad other issues.

There were a number of responses that would've been better than the one he has chosen to make. He instead chose the knee-jerk response based solely on the public opinion of his support base. You can't be a good president if you let your choices be dictated by whatever flavor of the month opinion the populace holds. Sadly, he's still in campaign mode and chasing public opinion is really all he knows how to do.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-20 19:04:24
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6696|'Murka

Exactly.

This administration wouldn't know strategic thinking if it knocked them upside the head then prison-shower-raped them repeatedly.

But unfortunately, that characteristic isn't limited to this administration or to Presidential politics.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2010-07-20 20:51:14
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6866|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Dilbert_X wrote:

Its been demonstrated the oil companies don't have a plan A or B if a well blows, until they do a moratorium makes sense.
pretty much.


all of these companies went before congress and when asked what their emergency plans entailed, they all pointed to the same useless BP playbook.  These companies have no idea what they're doing, it took this horrible disaster to make that clear.  Until they have a real plan, whether it's better and more response equipment or tandem relief well drilling, these idiot should not be allowed to make messes they can't clean up.
2010-07-21 06:19:21
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Exactly.

This administration wouldn't know strategic thinking if it knocked them upside the head then prison-shower-raped them repeatedly.

But unfortunately, that characteristic isn't limited to this administration or to Presidential politics.
Speaking of keeping a level head, it's good to know you and John are staying objective about this issue.
2010-07-21 06:23:48
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Harmor wrote:

The decision just seems short-sighted and ill-informed.
Sounds familiar.

That happens a lot.
In this case it's pretty damn ridiculous. Between 40,000-80,000 people depend on the offshore drilling industry for direct employment down in the gulf region. Then there are hundreds of thousands of people that benefit second hand. Hell, the majority of the revenue Louisiana and Mississippi state governments bring in are dependent on drilling. Now we're talking school closures and myriad other issues.

There were a number of responses that would've been better than the one he has chosen to make. He instead chose the knee-jerk response based solely on the public opinion of his support base. You can't be a good president if you let your choices be dictated by whatever flavor of the month opinion the populace holds. Sadly, he's still in campaign mode and chasing public opinion is really all he knows how to do.
We're not looking at this in terms of opportunities.  Dumping billions of gallons of oil into the gulf isn't a problem -- it's an opportunity to expand the disaster cleanup industry.  This could become a companion industry to drilling and refining that, given historical precedent, could be equally as profitable and would employ thousands of people.  Who needs fishing and tourism, when you have gold mines like this?
2010-07-21 07:09:48
Stubbee
Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts
+223|7028|Reality

Cybargs wrote:

ATG wrote:

Canada also leases drilling rights to Chinese companies to plunder natural gas from the Great Lakes while we don't allow it.
Source pl0x. I know Canadians are huge huge freaks when it comes to the environment. US is already drilling gas from Arkansas anyway...
QFE

Last edited by Stubbee (2010-07-21 07:10:09)

The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
2010-07-21 10:36:18
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Sounds familiar.

That happens a lot.
In this case it's pretty damn ridiculous. Between 40,000-80,000 people depend on the offshore drilling industry for direct employment down in the gulf region. Then there are hundreds of thousands of people that benefit second hand. Hell, the majority of the revenue Louisiana and Mississippi state governments bring in are dependent on drilling. Now we're talking school closures and myriad other issues.

There were a number of responses that would've been better than the one he has chosen to make. He instead chose the knee-jerk response based solely on the public opinion of his support base. You can't be a good president if you let your choices be dictated by whatever flavor of the month opinion the populace holds. Sadly, he's still in campaign mode and chasing public opinion is really all he knows how to do.
We're not looking at this in terms of opportunities.  Dumping billions of gallons of oil into the gulf isn't a problem -- it's an opportunity to expand the disaster cleanup industry.  This could become a companion industry to drilling and refining that, given historical precedent, could be equally as profitable and would employ thousands of people.  Who needs fishing and tourism, when you have gold mines like this?
It already exists, it's called the insurance industry.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-21 11:29:56
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


In this case it's pretty damn ridiculous. Between 40,000-80,000 people depend on the offshore drilling industry for direct employment down in the gulf region. Then there are hundreds of thousands of people that benefit second hand. Hell, the majority of the revenue Louisiana and Mississippi state governments bring in are dependent on drilling. Now we're talking school closures and myriad other issues.

There were a number of responses that would've been better than the one he has chosen to make. He instead chose the knee-jerk response based solely on the public opinion of his support base. You can't be a good president if you let your choices be dictated by whatever flavor of the month opinion the populace holds. Sadly, he's still in campaign mode and chasing public opinion is really all he knows how to do.
We're not looking at this in terms of opportunities.  Dumping billions of gallons of oil into the gulf isn't a problem -- it's an opportunity to expand the disaster cleanup industry.  This could become a companion industry to drilling and refining that, given historical precedent, could be equally as profitable and would employ thousands of people.  Who needs fishing and tourism, when you have gold mines like this?
It already exists, it's called the insurance industry.
That's interesting, because most major disasters require help that goes far beyond what insurance companies provide.  The government usually has to supplement private involvement when it comes to these cleanups, and that requires the use of taxpayer money.
2010-07-21 11:34:07
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6827|Texas - Bigger than France
It's called "I hope to win Florida in the next election".

Since Florida does not allow drilling around their dick-shaped state, this legislation does not have a large impact on their economy.

They don't allow drilling because of the tourism industry.  But they have realized they have to expand their protection area to protect the tourism industry.

Since Florida is hotly contested...guess what one of the factors is when issuing such a moratorium?
2010-07-21 11:52:21
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina

Pug wrote:

It's called "I hope to win Florida in the next election".

Since Florida does not allow drilling around their dick-shaped state, this legislation does not have a large impact on their economy.

They don't allow drilling because of the tourism industry.  But they have realized they have to expand their protection area to protect the tourism industry.

Since Florida is hotly contested...guess what one of the factors is when issuing such a moratorium?
Just like fighting a moratorium is a good way to win votes in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi -- well, except among the local fishermen and their own tourism industries.
2010-07-21 11:54:55
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Pug wrote:

It's called "I hope to win Florida in the next election".

Since Florida does not allow drilling around their dick-shaped state, this legislation does not have a large impact on their economy.

They don't allow drilling because of the tourism industry.  But they have realized they have to expand their protection area to protect the tourism industry.

Since Florida is hotly contested...guess what one of the factors is when issuing such a moratorium?
Fuck the red states so he can turn a purple state? Good thing he's the President of the United States and not President of the Democratic Party amirite?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-21 11:57:48
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Pug wrote:

It's called "I hope to win Florida in the next election".

Since Florida does not allow drilling around their dick-shaped state, this legislation does not have a large impact on their economy.

They don't allow drilling because of the tourism industry.  But they have realized they have to expand their protection area to protect the tourism industry.

Since Florida is hotly contested...guess what one of the factors is when issuing such a moratorium?
Fuck the red states so he can turn a purple state? Good thing he's the President of the United States and not President of the Democratic Party amirite?
Fuck the oil lobby vs. fuck the environment, local fishermen, and tourism.

Pick your poison.
2010-07-21 11:59:18
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Pug wrote:

It's called "I hope to win Florida in the next election".

Since Florida does not allow drilling around their dick-shaped state, this legislation does not have a large impact on their economy.

They don't allow drilling because of the tourism industry.  But they have realized they have to expand their protection area to protect the tourism industry.

Since Florida is hotly contested...guess what one of the factors is when issuing such a moratorium?
Fuck the red states so he can turn a purple state? Good thing he's the President of the United States and not President of the Democratic Party amirite?
Fuck the oil lobby vs. fuck the environment, local fishermen, and tourism.

Pick your poison.
Fishing - 5% of Louisiana's revenue.
Oil - 40% of Louisiana's revenue.

Tough fucking choice.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-07-21 12:02:04
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6906|London, England
The way the media put it when they say fishermen and shit it's like these people are subsistence farming and will die if they can't fish, no these guys make six figures and shit... they can handle a bad season or two

Making it seem like it's hit a proper third world area where it means life or death for the locals (or packing up and moving to a refugee camp) or some shit like that.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-07-21 12:02:17)

2010-07-21 12:03:50
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina

JohnG@lt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Fuck the red states so he can turn a purple state? Good thing he's the President of the United States and not President of the Democratic Party amirite?
Fuck the oil lobby vs. fuck the environment, local fishermen, and tourism.

Pick your poison.
Fishing - 5% of Louisiana's revenue.
Oil - 40% of Louisiana's revenue.

Tough fucking choice.
Permanently destroying a local fish market is a bit more costly in the long run.  Besides, I thought you market types were always praising the resiliency of the market.  Is a brief moratorium so bad?  I thought they could adapt their economies over time.

 

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