eleven bravo
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whatdya know, george washington didnt

1st address
Fellow-Citizens of the Senate and of the House of Representatives:

  AMONG the vicissitudes incident to life no event could have filled me with greater anxieties than that of which the notification was transmitted by your order, and received on the 14th day of the present month. On the one hand, I was summoned by my country, whose voice I can never hear but with veneration and love, from a retreat which I had chosen with the fondest predilection, and, in my flattering hopes, with an immutable decision, as the asylum of my declining years—a retreat which was rendered every day more necessary as well as more dear to me by the addition of habit to inclination, and of frequent interruptions in my health to the gradual waste committed on it by time. On the other hand, the magnitude and difficulty of the trust to which the voice of my country called me, being sufficient to awaken in the wisest and most experienced of her citizens a distrustful scrutiny into his qualifications, could not but overwhelm with despondence one who (inheriting inferior endowments from nature and unpracticed in the duties of civil administration) ought to be peculiarly conscious of his own deficiencies. In this conflict of emotions all I dare aver is that it has been my faithful study to collect my duty from a just appreciation of every circumstance by which it might be affected. All I dare hope is that if, in executing this task, I have been too much swayed by a grateful remembrance of former instances, or by an affectionate sensibility to this transcendent proof of the confidence of my fellow-citizens, and have thence too little consulted my incapacity as well as disinclination for the weighty and untried cares before me, my error will be palliated by the motives which mislead me, and its consequences be judged by my country with some share of the partiality in which they originated.    1
  Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station, it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes, and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good, I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own, nor those of my fellow-citizens at large less than either. No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the Invisible Hand which conducts the affairs of men more than those of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency; and in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their united government the tranquil deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities from which the event has resulted can not be compared with the means by which most governments have been established without some return of pious gratitude, along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join with me, I trust, in thinking that there are none under the influence of which the proceedings of a new and free government can more auspiciously commence. 2
  By the article establishing the executive department it is made the duty of the President "to recommend to your consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient." The circumstances under which I now meet you will acquit me from entering into that subject further than to refer to the great constitutional charter under which you are assembled, and which, in defining your powers, designates the objects to which your attention is to be given. It will be more consistent with those circumstances, and far more congenial with the feelings which actuate me, to substitute, in place of a recommendation of particular measures, the tribute that is due to the talents, the rectitude, and the patriotism which adorn the characters selected to devise and adopt them. In these honorable qualifications I behold the surest pledges that as on one side no local prejudices or attachments, no separate views nor party animosities, will misdirect the comprehensive and equal eye which ought to watch over this great assemblage of communities and interests, so, on another, that the foundation of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality, and the preeminence of free government be exemplified by all the attributes which can win the affections of its citizens and command the respect of the world. I dwell on this prospect with every satisfaction which an ardent love for my country can inspire, since there is no truth more thoroughly established than that there exists in the economy and course of nature an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness; between duty and advantage; between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity; since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained; and since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered, perhaps, as deeply, as finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people. 3
  Besides the ordinary objects submitted to your care, it will remain with your judgment to decide how far an exercise of the occasional power delegated by the fifth article of the Constitution is rendered expedient at the present juncture by the nature of objections which have been urged against the system, or by the degree of inquietude which has given birth to them. Instead of undertaking particular recommendations on this subject, in which I could be guided by no lights derived from official opportunities, I shall again give way to my entire confidence in your discernment and pursuit of the public good; for I assure myself that whilst you carefully avoid every alteration which might endanger the benefits of an united and effective government, or which ought to await the future lessons of experience, a reverence for the characteristic rights of freemen and a regard for the public harmony will sufficiently influence your deliberations on the question how far the former can be impregnably fortified or the latter be safely and advantageously promoted. 4
  To the foregoing observations I have one to add, which will be most properly addressed to the House of Representatives. It concerns myself, and will therefore be as brief as possible. When I was first honored with a call into the service of my country, then on the eve of an arduous struggle for its liberties, the light in which I contemplated my duty required that I should renounce every pecuniary compensation. From this resolution I have in no instance departed; and being still under the impressions which produced it, I must decline as inapplicable to myself any share in the personal emoluments which may be indispensably included in a permanent provision for the executive department, and must accordingly pray that the pecuniary estimates for the station in which I am placed may during my continuance in it be limited to such actual expenditures as the public good may be thought to require. 5
  Having thus imparted to you my sentiments as they have been awakened by the occasion which brings us together, I shall take my present leave; but not without resorting once more to the benign Parent of the Human Race in humble supplication that, since He has been pleased to favor the American people with opportunities for deliberating in perfect tranquillity, and dispositions for deciding with unparalleled unanimity on a form of government for the security of their union and the advancement of their happiness, so His divine blessing may be equally conspicuous in the enlarged views, the temperate consultations, and the wise measures on which the success of this Government must depend.


2nd

I AM again called upon by the voice of my country to execute the functions of its Chief Magistrate. When the occasion proper for it shall arrive, I shall endeavor to express the high sense I entertain of this distinguished honor, and of the confidence which has been reposed in me by the people of united America.    1
  Previous to the execution of any official act of the President the Constitution requires an oath of office. This oath I am now about to take, and in your presence: That if it shall be found during my administration of the Government I have in any instance violated willingly or knowingly the injunctions thereof, I may (besides incurring constitutional punishment) be subject to the upbraidings of all who are now witnesses of the present solemn ceremony.




youre such an idiot harmor
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Turquoise
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Tj?
Maybe it was Jimmy Carter?...
Spark
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ten points to gunslinger
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Cybargs
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Thomas Jefferson was a deist and he laughed at the bible every night afaik.
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Cybargs wrote:

Thomas Jefferson was a deist and he laughed at the bible every night afaik.
He wrote his own
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Harmor
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eleven bravo wrote:

it wasnt obama
...
so who was it harmor?
Carter of course.
Harmor
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eleven bravo wrote:

whatdya know, george washington didnt
...
1st address
Fellow-Citizens of the Senate and of the House of Representatives:
...
  Having thus imparted to you my sentiments as they have been awakened by the occasion which brings us together, I shall take my present leave; but not without resorting once more to the benign Parent of the Human Race in humble supplication that, since He has been pleased to favor the American people with opportunities for deliberating in perfect tranquillity, and dispositions for deciding with unparalleled unanimity on a form of government for the security of their union and the advancement of their happiness, so His divine blessing may be equally conspicuous in the enlarged views, the temperate consultations, and the wise measures on which the success of this Government must depend.
Oops?

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Harmor
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Poseidon wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Have you any idea what's in the new Financial Bill?  Let us know if you still agree with it after reading an except from it.
Have you read anything about it that's not from Drudge/Glenn Beck? Let us know.
Actually quite a lot.  But if we discussed it here it would detract from the thread.  I will in another thread once there's more information about it.  Thanks for the reminder.
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I wonder what his campaign motto would be. Geico's already done the lizard thing to death (yeah, I know newts are amphibians...shouldn't have to be a disclaimer).
eleven bravo
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Harmor wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

whatdya know, george washington didnt
...
1st address
Fellow-Citizens of the Senate and of the House of Representatives:
...
  Having thus imparted to you my sentiments as they have been awakened by the occasion which brings us together, I shall take my present leave; but not without resorting once more to the benign Parent of the Human Race in humble supplication that, since He has been pleased to favor the American people with opportunities for deliberating in perfect tranquillity, and dispositions for deciding with unparalleled unanimity on a form of government for the security of their union and the advancement of their happiness, so His divine blessing may be equally conspicuous in the enlarged views, the temperate consultations, and the wise measures on which the success of this Government must depend.
Oops?
nice you ignore the 2nd address



Harmor wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

it wasnt obama
...
so who was it harmor?
Carter of course.
FOR myself and for our Nation, I want to thank my predecessor for all he has done to heal our land.    1
  In this outward and physical ceremony we attest once again to the inner and spiritual strength of our Nation. As my high school teacher, Miss Julia Coleman, used to say: "We must adjust to changing times and still hold to unchanging principles." 2
  Here before me is the Bible used in the inauguration of our first President, in 1789, and I have just taken the oath of office on the Bible my mother gave me a few years ago, opened to a timeless admonition from the ancient prophet Micah: 3
"He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God." (Micah 6:8) 4
  This inauguration ceremony marks a new beginning, a new dedication within our Government, and a new spirit among us all. A President may sense and proclaim that new spirit, but only a people can provide it. 5
  Two centuries ago our Nation's birth was a milestone in the long quest for freedom, but the bold and brilliant dream which excited the founders of this Nation still awaits its consummation. I have no new dream to set forth today, but rather urge a fresh faith in the old dream. 6
  Ours was the first society openly to define itself in terms of both spirituality and of human liberty. It is that unique self-definition which has given us an exceptional appeal, but it also imposes on us a special obligation, to take on those moral duties which, when assumed, seem invariably to be in our own best interests. 7
  You have given me a great responsibility—to stay close to you, to be worthy of you, and to exemplify what you are. Let us create together a new national spirit of unity and trust. Your strength can compensate for my weakness, and your wisdom can help to minimize my mistakes. 8
  Let us learn together and laugh together and work together and pray together, confident that in the end we will triumph together in the right. 9
  The American dream endures. We must once again have full faith in our country—and in one another. I believe America can be better. We can be even stronger than before. 10
  Let our recent mistakes bring a resurgent commitment to the basic principles of our Nation, for we know that if we despise our own government we have no future. We recall in special times when we have stood briefly, but magnificently, united. In those times no prize was beyond our grasp. 11
  But we cannot dwell upon remembered glory. We cannot afford to drift. We reject the prospect of failure or mediocrity or an inferior quality of life for any person. Our Government must at the same time be both competent and compassionate. 12
  We have already found a high degree of personal liberty, and we are now struggling to enhance equality of opportunity. Our commitment to human rights must be absolute, our laws fair, our natural beauty preserved; the powerful must not persecute the weak, and human dignity must be enhanced. 13
  We have learned that "more" is not necessarily "better," that even our great Nation has its recognized limits, and that we can neither answer all questions nor solve all problems. We cannot afford to do everything, nor can we afford to lack boldness as we meet the future. So, together, in a spirit of individual sacrifice for the common good, we must simply do our best. 14
  Our Nation can be strong abroad only if it is strong at home. And we know that the best way to enhance freedom in other lands is to demonstrate here that our democratic system is worthy of emulation. 15
  To be true to ourselves, we must be true to others. We will not behave in foreign places so as to violate our rules and standards here at home, for we know that the trust which our Nation earns is essential to our strength. 16
  The world itself is now dominated by a new spirit. Peoples more numerous and more politically aware are craving and now demanding their place in the sun—not just for the benefit of their own physical condition, but for basic human rights. 17
  The passion for freedom is on the rise. Tapping this new spirit, there can be no nobler nor more ambitious task for America to undertake on this day of a new beginning than to help shape a just and peaceful world that is truly humane. 18
  We are a strong nation, and we will maintain strength so sufficient that it need not be proven in combat—a quiet strength based not merely on the size of an arsenal, but on the nobility of ideas. 19
  We will be ever vigilant and never vulnerable, and we will fight our wars against poverty, ignorance, and injustice—for those are the enemies against which our forces can be honorably marshaled. 20
  We are a purely idealistic Nation, but let no one confuse our idealism with weakness. 21
  Because we are free we can never be indifferent to the fate of freedom elsewhere. Our moral sense dictates a clearcut preference for these societies which share with us an abiding respect for individual human rights. We do not seek to intimidate, but it is clear that a world which others can dominate with impunity would be inhospitable to decency and a threat to the well-being of all people. 22
  The world is still engaged in a massive armaments race designed to ensure continuing equivalent strength among potential adversaries. We pledge perseverance and wisdom in our efforts to limit the world's armaments to those necessary for each nation's own domestic safety. And we will move this year a step toward ultimate goal—the elimination of all nuclear weapons from this Earth. We urge all other people to join us, for success can mean life instead of death. 23
  Within us, the people of the United States, there is evident a serious and purposeful rekindling of confidence. And I join in the hope that when my time as your President has ended, people might say this about our Nation: 24
  —that we had remembered the words of Micah and renewed our search for humility, mercy, and justice; 25
  —that we had torn down the barriers that separated those of different race and region and religion, and where there had been mistrust, built unity, with a respect for diversity; 26
  —that we had found productive work for those able to perform it; 27
  —that we had strengthened the American family, which is the basis of our society; 28
  —that we had ensured respect for the law, and equal treatment under the law, for the weak and the powerful, for the rich and the poor; 29
  —and that we had enabled our people to be proud of their own Government once again. 30
  I would hope that the nations of the world might say that we had built a lasting peace, built not on weapons of war but on international policies which reflect our own most precious values. 31
  These are not just my goals, and they will not be my accomplishments, but the affirmation of our Nation's continuing moral strength and our belief in an undiminished, ever-expanding American dream.




you need to stop filling your brain with chain emails
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Turquoise
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Thomas Jefferson was a deist and he laughed at the bible every night afaik.
He wrote his own
A better version of it, tbh.
Harmor
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I didn't think I needed to explain this, but when you give an invocation in a speech its at the end of the speech (the call to action part of a speech) - not search for the word "God" in the speech.

Check out that last paragraph in Carter's speech.  He did not invoke (summon into action) God.  That's what I was talking about.  Not that he didn't 'mention' God.  Example: When Obama said, "And God bless the United States of America."...that's an invocation. 

But you'd rather call me an idiot.  I guess I can't fault you for doing that being a Liberal and all.  Its unfortunate Liberals don't battle on the field of ideas but rather believe that personal insults are the way they are to win arguments.

Perhaps you could had said, hey look, George Washington's 2nd Inaugural address didn't invoke God?  But he did in the first thus being a President who invoked God. 

Or you could had said, hey look Carter had a quote with the word God in it, isn't that invoking.  And we could have a debate about what invoke vs. mention has.  But you didn't...its unfortunate.

It actually makes me happy every time you do, by the way, because it reaffirms my assertion.



Of everything I said in that post I found it interesting that you dwelled on that point.  Is this a manifestation of your hated of God or just me?
Harmor
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Now back on topic.

Update: Obama, Palin tied 46/46 in 2012 polling

If the election was held today Palin and Obama would be tired.
Obama would loose to Mitt Romney 43 to 46.
Obama would loose to Mike Huckabee 45 to 47.
Obama would loose Newt Gingrich 45 to 46.

Still those numbers are too close.  If the numbers were greater than 5% I would be more conclusive.  But Obama has 2 more years to screw the pooch so lets see what happens.
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I know very well what an invocation is and I know what it is to invoke god.  been to many a military funeral nice try though.   So, I guess when you want to back up an point with Washington's first inaugural address, a capital "H" counts towards invoking god but when I show you the very first paragraph of carters address you want to go a different rout.  hey,  props for actually coming back to a thread youve been owned in.


as for calling me a liberal, negative ghost rider.  you see, Im a grown up and I hate how so many other supposed grown up like to fall under a category (such as you) as if it was high school. 



so, isntead of trying to veer off topic by calling me a liberal and saying I hate god, why dont you admit to being dead wrong when you said Carter didnt invoke god during his inauguration (Washington surely didnt in his 2nd address). 

owned.

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Harmor wrote:

Now back on topic.

Update: Obama, Palin tied 46/46 in 2012 polling
From this point US politics can only improve.
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Harmor wrote:

Now back on topic.

Update: Obama, Palin tied 46/46 in 2012 polling

If the election was held today Palin and Obama would be tired.
Obama would loose to Mitt Romney 43 to 46.
Obama would loose to Mike Huckabee 45 to 47.
Obama would loose Newt Gingrich 45 to 46.

Still those numbers are too close.  If the numbers were greater than 5% I would be more conclusive.  But Obama has 2 more years to screw the pooch so lets see what happens.
Oh, no.  this sounds serious.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Now back on topic.

Update: Obama, Palin tied 46/46 in 2012 polling
From this point US politics can only improve.
If we actually did elect Palin, there is an upside....

We'd have a golden age of late night comedy.
Reciprocity
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Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Now back on topic.

Update: Obama, Palin tied 46/46 in 2012 polling
From this point US politics can only improve.
If we actually did elect Palin, there is an upside....

We'd have a golden age of late night comedy.
People have forgotten just how dumb and damaged she is.  It's been, what, nearly two years since she's appeared on the national political stage.  And no,  silly little teaparty rallies and paid appearances don't count.  Put her on a stage next to the President and she'd evaporate.
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I'm new to the forums and am unfamiliar with you fellas so bear with me if we aren't on the same page.

Obama, and the democraps have no chance in the 2010/2012 elections. Its a sad fate that faces most presidents and parties in troubling times, but they deserve the boot out of office. I can hardly look at the news to see what else this lame duck of an administration is throwing down the Americans throats. First a 1.2Trillion bailout, then "health-care reform", another bailout, firing of McCrystal, VERY slow reaction to the oil spill, now a bank bill that favors the corrupt unions and radical activists and doesn't even address the financial situation. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … activists/ It ticks me off to read that article... The Democraps are now official known as pigs in my book for all the pork they throw into bills for their constituents. One of the past war-funding bills had funds for TEACHERS union thrown in there. I mean seriously, what the FUCK!? They are unstoppable. Seems their idea of "change" is to fuck America up.

Judging by earlier post, my rant wasn't needed but I just had to throw in my 2 cents.
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lopermento wrote:

I'm new to the forums and am unfamiliar with you fellas so bear with me if we aren't on the same page.

Obama, and the democraps have no chance in the 2010/2012 elections. Its a sad fate that faces most presidents and parties in troubling times, but they deserve the boot out of office. I can hardly look at the news to see what else this lame duck of an administration is throwing down the Americans throats. First a 1.2Trillion bailout, then "health-care reform", another bailout, firing of McCrystal, VERY slow reaction to the oil spill, now a bank bill that favors the corrupt unions and radical activists and doesn't even address the financial situation. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … activists/ It ticks me off to read that article... The Democraps are now official known as pigs in my book for all the pork they throw into bills for their constituents. One of the past war-funding bills had funds for TEACHERS union thrown in there. I mean seriously, what the FUCK!? They are unstoppable. Seems their idea of "change" is to fuck America up.

Judging by earlier post, my rant wasn't needed but I just had to throw in my 2 cents.
Did you happen to notice how much pork the Republicans pushed back when they ran things?
Turquoise
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Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


From this point US politics can only improve.
If we actually did elect Palin, there is an upside....

We'd have a golden age of late night comedy.
People have forgotten just how dumb and damaged she is.  It's been, what, nearly two years since she's appeared on the national political stage.  And no,  silly little teaparty rallies and paid appearances don't count.  Put her on a stage next to the President and she'd evaporate.
Debating isn't her strong suit.  It is rather hilarious though.
Reciprocity
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This country was doing so great until fucking obama showed up.  Everything's gone to hell on his watch.  everything. 

Turquoise wrote:

Did you happen to notice how much pork the Republicans pushed back when they ran things?
Those republicans don't count.
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Turquoise wrote:

Did you happen to notice how much pork the Republicans pushed back when they ran things?
all of it. https://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3024/sarcasm.gif
Harmor
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Turquoise wrote:

lopermento wrote:

I'm new to the forums and am unfamiliar with you fellas so bear with me if we aren't on the same page.

Obama, and the democraps have no chance in the 2010/2012 elections. Its a sad fate that faces most presidents and parties in troubling times, but they deserve the boot out of office. I can hardly look at the news to see what else this lame duck of an administration is throwing down the Americans throats. First a 1.2Trillion bailout, then "health-care reform", another bailout, firing of McCrystal, VERY slow reaction to the oil spill, now a bank bill that favors the corrupt unions and radical activists and doesn't even address the financial situation. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … activists/ It ticks me off to read that article... The Democraps are now official known as pigs in my book for all the pork they throw into bills for their constituents. One of the past war-funding bills had funds for TEACHERS union thrown in there. I mean seriously, what the FUCK!? They are unstoppable. Seems their idea of "change" is to fuck America up.

Judging by earlier post, my rant wasn't needed but I just had to throw in my 2 cents.
Did you happen to notice how much pork the Republicans pushed back when they ran things?
Yep, but the ratio is much worst (like 10 or 15:1).  I'm not trying to be an apologist just making that point.  Th 2006 and 2008 elections should had gotten enough of the spenders kicked out so hopefully this new batch are more fiscally Conservative.
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