BF2S Forums Former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich for President 2012?

JohnG@lt wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

If palin runs conservatives don't stand a chance.  That dumb beaver will ruin your ticket.

She's definiately the darling of the Republican party.  The Tea Party is behind her.  She has name recognition.  If you're against Republicans shouldn't you be rooting for us to choose the "dumb beaver" instead?

No, I want Obama out of office as much as anyone else but if Palin was put up against him I would vote for Obama.

Palin will be 4 years older and past the MILF-zone, she has nothing else.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-07-12 22:30:01)

JohnG@lt wrote:

crazy people holding signs on the side of the road

I thought that WAS how US politics works, in California anyway.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-07-12 22:35:51)

Gingrich is interesting. I could see him testing the waters in 2012 to see if PBO is beatable and running full out in 2016.

I find Gingrich really interesting because he started out as a way left liberal professor, tried to run for office as a dem and failed. Switched to the GOP and every time he ran and failed he moved farther right until he develop a script that saw him elected. He is smart and he's capable of returning the GOP to their fiscal conservative roots and at the same time stopping the party drift and anchoring the party closer to the middle. unlike palin who would only move to the middle the road in order to moose hunt by pick-up truck, in other words its not in her lexicon. If she makes it onto a ticket it will be the losing ticket.

and aren't we supposed to see Jeb Bush coming into the election mix some where?

Harmor wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Harmor wrote:

She's definiately the darling of the Republican party.  The Tea Party is behind her.  She has name recognition.  If you're against Republicans shouldn't you be rooting for us to choose the "dumb beaver" instead?

No, I want Obama out of office as much as anyone else but if Palin was put up against him I would vote for Obama.

Sarah Palin can't get above a 30% approval rating vs. Obama's mid-40s atm.  She's a Conservative and I don't understand why you would still want to have a Socialist (55% of American's think so) Obama in the White House.

I mean look at what his record is so far.  You want more of that?

Palin's problem isn't so much that she's a conservative as it is that she's an idiot.

If Palin is the best that the GOP can muster, they're in trouble.  I'm pretty sure she'll be a non-factor by 2012.  Surely, they'll run more serious candidates by then.  There are quite a few I can think of...  John Thune, Mitch Daniels, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Tim Pawlenty, Richard Burr, and Dave Heineman.

Haha. No.

Permits prayer in public schools and yet he's been married 3 times... says enough about him and his personal integrity. Although his views on climate change aren't too bad. If the right wants Obama back in the WH for a second term, Gingrich as the leading man would be the way. Or Palin.

Scott Brown please. His views line up almost directly with mine. It was a little odd seeing a Republican taking Ted's seat but this guy is seriously awesome.

With an Obama-Brown matchup, I really would not know who to vote for. Leaning Brown atm tbh.

Reciprocity wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Haha. No.

Permits prayer in public schools and yet he's been married 3 times

he was banging his third wife while still married to his second wife, while he was going after Clinton for his indiscretions.

irony is ironic

Poseidon wrote:

Haha. No.

Permits prayer in public schools and yet he's been married 3 times... says enough about him and his personal integrity.

Why the double standard?  I mean remember when Bill Clinton was going through all his mess and opinion back then was to "not tread into his private life"?  I guess its ok to have a double standard if the person is a Republican.

Poseidon wrote:

Although his views on climate change aren't too bad. If the right wants Obama back in the WH for a second term, Gingrich as the leading man would be the way.

I don't believe it would be.  I see where you coming form that Gingrich is not as strong a candidate as you would like, but who's better right now without compromising Conservative principles?

Poseidon wrote:

Or Palin.  Scott Brown please. His views line up almost directly with mine. It was a little odd seeing a Republican taking Ted's seat but this guy is seriously awesome.

Why is this guy awesome?  He, with Olimpia Snowe are voting for Obama's Fancial Bill that'll do to Wall Street what Obamacare is doing to our medical system.

Scott Brown, the turncoat, the Bendict Arnold, is abandoning the consituents that elected him.  If he goes too far he'll have the Tea Party members who help get him elected actually try to get him ousted. 

Poseidon wrote:

With an Obama-Brown matchup, I really would not know who to vote for. Leaning Brown atm tbh.

If given those two I too would vote Brown, but only because Obama, as we are feeling everyday, would be worst for our country.



P.S.  Prayer is school is good because it gives the kids time to give thanks, to whomever.

Harmor wrote:

I don't believe it would be.  I see where you coming form that Gingrich is not as strong a candidate as you would like, but who's better right now without compromising Conservative principles?

lol, literally the posts above you explains EXACTLY why his "conservative principles" are a load of horseshit. Scott Brown is better both morally AND politically. Gingrich is a Grade A piece of neo-con shit.

Harmor wrote:

Why is this guy awesome?  He, with Olimpia Snowe are voting for Obama's Fancial Bill that'll do to Wall Street what Obamacare is doing to our medical system.

Scott Brown, the turncoat, the Bendict Arnold, is abandoning the consituents that elected him.  If he goes too far he'll have the Tea Party members who help get him elected actually try to get him ousted.

Ah yes, I forgot, suddenly you're for deregulation again. But for the BP spill, you want the government to fix everything. Wanna talk about double standards? Look in the mirror.

Brown has the perfect policies. He's socially moderate (pro-choice, pro-gun rights, etc) and fiscally conservative. That type of politician is what America needs.

And who the fuck cares what the Tea Party has to say? If the real patriots who were in the Boston Tea Party heard the backwards bullshit that came out of their mouths, they'd probably commit hari-kari.

Harmor wrote:

P.S.  Prayer is school is good because it gives the kids time to give thanks, to whomever.

This may be one of the most idiotic things I've heard in DST in a loooong, long time.

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. One of the CORE principles of the constitution which you and the rest of you blinded righties love to bring up all the time when it comes to guns... but I guess you're like good ol' Bush, pick and choose where it applies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale

JohnG@lt wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

crazy people holding signs on the side of the road

I thought that WAS how US politics works, in California anyway.

It's a pretty new phenomena. The liberals started it so the 'conservatives' are now copying the same tactics.


Look Harmor, this is why elections swing every cycle. Republicans are wrong on just about every social issue and Democrats are wrong on just about every economic issue. For those of us caught in the middle it has become an exercise in voting for the least vile candidate, the one least likely to trample basic freedoms. This is why 'pandering to the middle' is the only correct course of action. We're the ones that actually decide elections, not wingnuts.

We need to be able to karma people more than once per 24 hours. Exactly how I feel about it.

Harmor wrote:

Have you any idea what's in the new Financial Bill?  Let us know if you still agree with it after reading an except from it.

It's not really all that bad tbh. A bit more bureaucracy yeah, but it's pretty watered down. Even the Wall Street Journal is pretty meh about it.

Poseidon wrote:

Harmor wrote:

P.S.  Prayer is school is good because it gives the kids time to give thanks, to whomever.

This may be one of the most idiotic things I've heard in DST in a loooong, long time.

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. One of the CORE principles of the constitution which you and the rest of you blinded righties love to bring up all the time when it comes to guns... but I guess you're like good ol' Bush, pick and choose where it applies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale

Your definition of "separation of Church and State" is not what you think it is.  You think its one of the "CORE principles of the constitution", but what the Constitution and the Founding Fathers believed that the State should not sponsor or require a religion. 

See many settlers into the United States came from Europe where there was state sponsors of religion like in England.  Remember learning about the Pilgrims and King James in grade school?  They came here to practice their religion freely without State controls and mandates.

In our Constitution in the Preamble it talks about "we are endowed by our Creator."  Well our Creator is God, or All'ah, or Bhagwan, or Obama, or the Spaghetti Monster...whomever you believe in.

On our currency we have "In God We Trust."

Did you know each day our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution they opened their session in prayer?  If it was "one of the CORE principles of the constitution," as you say then they probably wouldn't had been praying each day.

Did you know every president but one has invoked God (guess who), in their inaugural address?

Unfortunately, as you pointed out, we often have been miseducated to believe the notion that separation of Church and State is the absolute void of any type of religious display.  Just because you display a Christmas Tree, or a Menorah, or a Mistletoe doesn't mean you endorse Christianity, Judaism, or Paganism; its acknowledging the faiths that were used to build our society today. 



So with the freedom on choice we have would you consider voluntary prayer at public meetings?  Notice I'm not advocating for mandatory prayer.

Perhaps giving thanks, like we do every Thanksgiving, is something we all should should do more often because we can do it freely without the threat of death or imprisonment.


Thank You Lord!

it wasnt obama

"Inaugural Address

By President Barack Hussein Obama
My fellow citizens:  I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you've bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors.
I thank President Bush for his service to our nation -- (applause) -- as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.
Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath.  The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace.  Yet, every so often, the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms.  At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because we, the people, have remained faithful to the ideals of our forebears and true to our founding documents.
So it has been; so it must be with this generation of Americans.
That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood.  Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred.  Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age.  Homes have been lost, jobs shed, businesses shuttered.  Our health care is too costly, our schools fail too many -- and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.
These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics.  Less measurable, but no less profound, is a sapping of confidence across our land; a nagging fear that America's decline is inevitable, that the next generation must lower its sights.
Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real.  They are serious and they are many.  They will not be met easily or in a short span of time.  But know this America:  They will be met.  (Applause.)
On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.  On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our politics.  We remain a young nation.  But in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things.  The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea passed on from generation to generation:  the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.  (Applause.)
In reaffirming the greatness of our nation we understand that greatness is never a given.  It must be earned.  Our journey has never been one of short-cuts or settling for less.  It has not been the path for the faint-hearted, for those that prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame.  Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things -- some celebrated, but more often men and women obscure in their labor -- who have carried us up the long rugged path towards prosperity and freedom.
For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.  For us, they toiled in sweatshops, and settled the West, endured the lash of the whip, and plowed the hard earth.  For us, they fought and died in places like Concord and Gettysburg, Normandy and Khe Sahn.
Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life.  They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions, greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.
This is the journey we continue today.  We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth.  Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began.  Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week, or last month, or last year.  Our capacity remains undiminished.  But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions -- that time has surely passed.  Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.  (Applause.)
For everywhere we look, there is work to be done.  The state of our economy calls for action, bold and swift.  And we will act, not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth.  We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together.  We'll restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost.  We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories.  And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age.  All this we can do.  All this we will do.
Now, there are some who question the scale of our ambitions, who suggest that our system cannot tolerate too many big plans.  Their memories are short, for they have forgotten what this country has already done, what free men and women can achieve when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage.  What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them, that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply.
The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works -- whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified.  Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward.  Where the answer is no, programs will end.  And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account, to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day, because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.
Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill.  Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched.  But this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control.  The nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous.  The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our gross domestic product, but on the reach of our prosperity, on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart -- not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.  (Applause.)
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.  Our Founding Fathers -- (applause) -- our Founding Fathers, faced with perils that we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man -- a charter expanded by the blood of generations.  Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience sake.  (Applause.)
And so, to all the other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born, know that America is a friend of each nation, and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity.  And we are ready to lead once more.  (Applause.)
Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with the sturdy alliances and enduring convictions.  They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please.  Instead they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.
We are the keepers of this legacy.  Guided by these principles once more we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort, even greater cooperation and understanding between nations.  We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan.  With old friends and former foes, we'll work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet.
We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense.  And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken -- you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.  (Applause.)
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness.  We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and non-believers.  We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.
To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect.  To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West, know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy.  (Applause.) 
To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history, but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.  (Applause.)
To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds.  And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to the suffering outside our borders, nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect.  For the world has changed, and we must change with it.
As we consider the role that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who at this very hour patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains.  They have something to tell us, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages.
We honor them not only because they are the guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service -- a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves.
And yet at this moment, a moment that will define a generation, it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.  For as much as government can do, and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies.  It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours.  It is the firefighter's courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child that finally decides our fate.
Our challenges may be new.  The instruments with which we meet them may be new.  But those values upon which our success depends -- honesty and hard work, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism -- these things are old.  These things are true.  They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history.
What is demanded, then, is a return to these truths.  What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility -- a recognition on the part of every American that we have duties to ourselves, our nation and the world; duties that we do not grudgingly accept, but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character than giving our all to a difficult task.
This is the price and the promise of citizenship.  This is the source of our confidence -- the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.  This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed, why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall; and why a man whose father less than 60 years ago might not have been served in a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.  (Applause.)
So let us mark this day with remembrance of who we are and how far we have traveled.  In the year of America's birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river.  The capital was abandoned.  The enemy was advancing.  The snow was stained with blood.  At the moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words to be read to the people:
"Let it be told to the future world...that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive... that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet [it]."
America:  In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words.  With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come.  Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God'sgrace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
Thank you.  God bless you.  And [h]God/h] bless the United States of America"



so who was it harmor?