I saw 'Last Post by Zimmer' and new it would be a 'Everyone's out to get the Spanish' post. Wah. It's bullshit, they're not. He overtook Kubica and never let him past.Zimmer wrote:
Stewards have it in for Alonso and Ferrari. That penalty was stupidly harsh. It wasn't even his fault, it was his race engineers fault; who didn't tell him to let Kubica past when he asked. Fucking retards that Ferrari are. They constantly screw up.
There needed to be a penalty of some sort, but the drive through was a little excessive I reckon
Serious Flex
Wow, you're a right tool aren't you?CammRobb wrote:
I saw 'Last Post by Zimmer' and new it would be a 'Everyone's out to get the Spanish' post. Wah. It's bullshit, they're not. He overtook Kubica and never let him past.Zimmer wrote:
Stewards have it in for Alonso and Ferrari. That penalty was stupidly harsh. It wasn't even his fault, it was his race engineers fault; who didn't tell him to let Kubica past when he asked. Fucking retards that Ferrari are. They constantly screw up.
Alonso asked his race engineer if he was meant to let him past again, because he felt he had no choice but to get pushed off the track (which can be argued both ways) and the race engineer didn't tell him to do so, so Alonso powered away. That was not Alonso's call.
Kubica felt that Alonso wasn't infront of him before he went off track (which he was, by a few inches) so he requested to his race engineer that Alonso should let him past - the race engineers then went to the race director and asked what was going on.
Now, a drive through penalty? That's fucking harsh. All the BRITISH commentators said so. It was stupidly harsh, ESPECIALLY when Kubica went out on that lap.
I'm being objective here, it has nothing to do with Alonso or the Spanish. This was a mistake by the stewards and harsh decision.
Now shut the fuck up because I'm starting to get tired of your bullshit.
Im an Alonso hater, but even I admit that it was very very harsh. However, a penalty was coming because right before Kubica retired, it had been reported via BBC commentary that Alonso had to let Kubica back through.
So, a penalty had been issued, however, Kubica had retired and then a safety car was brought out. That is what killed Alonso's race: had there not been a safety car, he would have lost about 7-8 positions (unsure of how close the pack was), rather than the entire field which would have kept his race alive (for points at least).
My guess is that there was a penalty given, but because it didnt happen due to Kubicas retirement, they had to go to the next level which was compounded (massively) by the safety car. The stewards cant issue a penalty and then discard it shortly after. However, in this case, I think that that logic was, and is, flawed. It must be said though that Alonso did gain out of it by being in clear air for a while.
Still...a bad decision all round by the stewards IMO.
I did laugh that he left the track in a tantrum...
Anyway, congrats to Red Bulls #2 driver, who is far superior to Seb in every manner if you ask me. Well done to both McLarens for what was, after Friday, a fantastic performance
So, a penalty had been issued, however, Kubica had retired and then a safety car was brought out. That is what killed Alonso's race: had there not been a safety car, he would have lost about 7-8 positions (unsure of how close the pack was), rather than the entire field which would have kept his race alive (for points at least).
My guess is that there was a penalty given, but because it didnt happen due to Kubicas retirement, they had to go to the next level which was compounded (massively) by the safety car. The stewards cant issue a penalty and then discard it shortly after. However, in this case, I think that that logic was, and is, flawed. It must be said though that Alonso did gain out of it by being in clear air for a while.
Still...a bad decision all round by the stewards IMO.
I did laugh that he left the track in a tantrum...
Whats that got to do with anything? Just because the commentators are British, that doesn't mean they hate Alonso and/or Ferrari. They saw it and gave their view on it...which seems to be widely agreed with, perhaps with the exception of the stewards (and Eddie Jordan).Zimmer wrote:
Now, a drive through penalty? That's fucking harsh. All the BRITISH commentators said so.
Anyway, congrats to Red Bulls #2 driver, who is far superior to Seb in every manner if you ask me. Well done to both McLarens for what was, after Friday, a fantastic performance
See, it's shit like that that isn't needed. I don't like Hamilton, but I don't hate him. He's arrogant, but so is every other driver.Snake wrote:
Im an Alonso hater.
Nah, not much, just that they don't particularly like Alonso in the first place.Whats that got to do with anything? Just because the commentators are British, that doesn't mean they hate Alonso and/or Ferrari. They saw it and gave their view on it...which seems to be widely agreed with, perhaps with the exception of the stewards (and Eddie Jordan).
Anyway, congrats to Red Bulls #2 driver, who is far superior to Seb in every manner if you ask me. Well done to both McLarens for what was, after Friday, a fantastic performance
Eddie Jordan is the biggest prick in F1 though. Now him, I hate.
That was mainly said to say that even I thought the decision was bad. I dont "hate" him, hes my least preferred driver.Zimmer wrote:
See, it's shit like that that isn't needed. I don't like Hamilton, but I don't hate him. He's arrogant, but so is every other driver.Snake wrote:
Im an Alonso hater.
I always get the impression they do like him, perhaps its respect for a 2x world champion. Schumi on the other hand, its obvious Brundle isn't his biggest fan...Zimmer wrote:
Nah, not much, just that they don't particularly like Alonso in the first place.
Eddie Jordan is the biggest prick in F1 though. Now him, I hate.
lol'd @ EJ comment. Hes not so bad.
Should've been in Luffield when Massa was pitting for his puncture, Vettel was in last and Alonso got his drive-through.
Just waving to them and going "wheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy see ya laterrrrrrrrrrrr"
Just waving to them and going "wheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy see ya laterrrrrrrrrrrr"
lol'd at Webber. "Not bad for a Number Two driver, was it?"
At Alonso: I don't think he deserved a penalty, nor should he have been told to let Kubica pass. They were wheel-to-wheel as they entered the corner, Kubica should've given him space. But he pressed him into the grass - no way should Alonso be punished.
Furthermore, all these new regulations to promote agressive racing and as soon as someone tries to pass he gets slapped hard for trying. We should be engouraging moves like what Alonso did, not discourage it.
At Alonso: I don't think he deserved a penalty, nor should he have been told to let Kubica pass. They were wheel-to-wheel as they entered the corner, Kubica should've given him space. But he pressed him into the grass - no way should Alonso be punished.
Furthermore, all these new regulations to promote agressive racing and as soon as someone tries to pass he gets slapped hard for trying. We should be engouraging moves like what Alonso did, not discourage it.
If it's such a big problem, give the place back then almost instantly get stuck in again ala Hamilton vs Raikkonen, Spa 2008
i was like the only one that shouted out alonso cut the corner wtffffffff in the stands today lol
i was like the only one that shouted out alonso cut the corner wtffffffff in the stands today lol
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I want to see them damn pics!Kez wrote:
If it's such a big problem, give the place back then almost instantly get stuck in again ala Hamilton vs Raikkonen, Spa 2008
i was like the only one that shouted out alonso cut the corner wtffffffff in the stands today lol
I almost went this year and am really pissed that I didnt. Still, next year Or Belgium. Thats one race that I wana go see, sitting somewhere near Eau Rouge.
oh shit sorry lol
http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t231 … nd%20Prix/
few more are still being uploaded atm but there's a few hundred there lol
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few more are still being uploaded atm but there's a few hundred there lol
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I don't see why, surely everyone knows if you gain a place by cutting a corner, you give the place back straight away. Not getting at you specifically, but why does anyone, including alonso, think this was some sort of special case? as kez said, when hamilton took kimi in spa, he gave it back (funily enough he still got penalised after that race, think because your meant to wait till the second turn or something in the rules).eskimo_sammyjoe wrote:
There needed to be a penalty of some sort, but the drive through was a little excessive I reckon
What was different about this situation? What did he expect? Kubica is not going to compromise his line to let alonso through, why would he? Everyone knows you gota give it back, end of discussion. Alonso should of known that and so should the team. if he had, he would of gained the place anyway when kubica retired. He made it hard on himself by not giving the position back. it doesnt matter how the events conspire to you cutting the track, be it on your own, or by being pushed, you cant cut and get away with it. Otherwise it be just constantly cutting the track where a better, shorter line is available. Hell, the could of just used the old siverstone course in that case and not bother with that whole section. Am not kidding btw, if someone said they where blocked and had to go the other way, do they get away with it too? Cut is a cut, give the place back and get on with it.
Someone please explain to me why they think alonso was justified in keeping the place? Every other occasion, like in spa 2008, you give it back, why is this different?
Lewis had a nasty one today during practice at Hockenheim.
Should be okay to come out during this session at the moment (FP2) but it's starting to rain again, vital dry blown diffuser testing time is going away.. gonna be wet tomorrow as well
Shouldn't be too much rain, might even dry up towards the end. Ferrari 1-2, yes please.
karun chandhok is am awsm commentator. he is commenting on the FP2
God I hate Red Bull, Alonso was only 2 thousandths of a second behind his pole time. I hope he does Vettel in on the first lap tomorrow
I don't know who I dislike more Vettel or Alonso
For me it's Vettel
Alonso has turned into a pantomime villain (or like Dick Dastardly) and now he's got my support (well, when it comes to tackling the red bulls)
Alonso has turned into a pantomime villain (or like Dick Dastardly) and now he's got my support (well, when it comes to tackling the red bulls)
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First corner's a real bitch so fingers crossed they both get sucked into it and collide
Fucking hell I had money on Alonso to grab pole at 9.5
I sat there and thought "what happened if both times were exactly the same to the 1000th of a second?"...and realised I don't actually know Anybody know?Mekstizzle wrote:
God I hate Red Bull, Alonso was only 2 thousandths of a second behind his pole time. I hope he does Vettel in on the first lap tomorrow
Ferrari have certainly closed the gap whilst McLaren have dropped back. Be interesting tomorrow.
they'd probably make a new rule making sure Alonso starts second.Snake wrote:
I sat there and thought "what happened if both times were exactly the same to the 1000th of a second?"...and realised I don't actually know Anybody know?Mekstizzle wrote:
God I hate Red Bull, Alonso was only 2 thousandths of a second behind his pole time. I hope he does Vettel in on the first lap tomorrow
There was a race in 1996 or 1997 where three drivers qualified on exactly the same pole time down to the thousandths of seconds. So they put them in order of who did the time first. So seeing as Vettel did his time first, he would have got pole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Europ … Qualifying1997 European Grand Prix wrote:
During the qualifying session, held on Saturday October 25 to determine the starting order for the race, three cars set identical times, the first time this had happened in the history of the world championship.[1] Jacques Villeneuve was first to set a time of 1:21.072, fourteen minutes into the one hour session. A further fourteen minutes later, Michael Schumacher posted an identical time. With nine minutes of the session remaining, Heinz-Harald Frentzen crossed the line, again with a time of 1:21.072. Under the regulations of the Formula One world championship, in the event of drivers setting equal times in qualifying, the first driver to set the time is given precedence.