ya they suck obama dick and cower in fear of posting anything negative about islam. yay.Uzique wrote:
at least the bbc isn't extreme far-right...
Last edited by 11 Bravo (2010-07-04 08:36:12)
untrue to you because you are brainwashed into thinking it is the bestUzique wrote:
categorically untrue... lol.
great to see how well researched you are, though.
because you fucks drag you link shit into this thread.Uzique wrote:
i just said it isnt the best you dumbass. jesus h. christ. what's got your goat today so you're crying about everything again?
typical wah.
cuz you all will say that is better than any source anyone posts and you know it so thats the point. you can lol all you want, you guys ruin threads with your us vs lowing shit. its a fact. everyone knows it.Uzique wrote:
right so your constructive way to deal with it is to troll about the BBC? lol okay.
you the man. remind yourself to give yourself a self-slap the next time you're crying about the quality of D&ST sucking.
i do when a thread aint destroyed by you guys. i can prove that. many threads in the past were great. things changed when trolls like you came in.Uzique wrote:
and you are the building blocks of every good d&st thread! with such astute, erudite contributions!
no information other than an emotional and insulting "lowing is wrong" has been submitted. As far as the information I have site, it can be verified based on current events, and media outlets. It also sources its information used. Something you would KNOW if you actually read the information.Dilbert_X wrote:
Trouble is you present the source as being some kind of authority, when its actually some unabomberesque nutball.lowing wrote:
then don't attack the source, attack the information in the source. Who cares if it from a racist ( which I do not claim it is) if you disagree with the information refute it and lay off of your playbook.
Then you ignore any information which doesn't agree with yours.
You don't present arguments, you present statements and challenge people to prove them wrong.
Yet you hasd no problem hanging your hat on Jim Sutter as an authority...Why was that? Have you shown where cairbaby.com was shut down because of racism? Haven't seen that yet. If it were true, and cut and dry why not just simply shutdown the others as well?Bertster7 wrote:
A group of nutballs, running a load of related sites. Some of which have been shut down.Dilbert_X wrote:
Trouble is you present the source as being some kind of authority, when its actually some unabomberesque nutball.lowing wrote:
then don't attack the source, attack the information in the source. Who cares if it from a racist ( which I do not claim it is) if you disagree with the information refute it and lay off of your playbook.
Then you ignore any information which doesn't agree with yours.
You don't present arguments, you present statements and challenge people to prove them wrong.
There's Glen Reinsford of cairbaby.com (shut down) and religionofpeace.com - which seems to be lowings main source for everything.
There's Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, where we can see numerous references to the fact that cairbaby was shut down and a campaign for web blocks imposed by filtering companies to be removed for the religionofpeace site.
There's also Khalim Massoud of Muslims Against Sharia - a hilarious site obviously not run by Muslims. His responses to emails he was sent regarding defamation law suits are quite in line with what one might expect:Subject: Re: Law suits, ain’t this grand
Are you threatening me, you little biatch? You must have been sucking cousin dad’s xxxx for too long, if you really think that a demented piece of sxxt like you could scare anyone. And if you weren’t that stupid, you’d know that if you’re a Christian or a Jew, we’re praying to the same God, you retarded inbred. Also, you unhealthy fascination with larva is troubling. You should discuss it with a shrink at the free clinic, you dumb piece of white trash (Bill Warner).
From: Khalim Massoud [email protected]Just a few examples from the website of a Private Investigator who has done some investigating of these dodgy websites. As a result of this, Muslims Against Sharia have had their PO box revoked by the USPS:From: Khalim Massoud [email protected]
Muslims Against Sharia
To: BW (Bill Warner)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject:Re: Law suits, ain’t this grand
You told on me, you little piece of sxxt (Bill Warner)? Obviously a little biatch like you is too much of a chicken sxxt to handle anything herself. I am surprised that you haven’t dug up the “fact” that I’m not a real Muslim, etc. etc. etc..
You (Bill Warner) must have been excessively molested as a child to feel that insecure at your advanced age. Ever considered counseling?
Khalim Massoud
President
Muslims Against Sharia
[email protected]
241732 PO Box, OMAHA, NE 68124
http://pibillwarner.files.wordpress.com … &h=485
Some people will persist in using stupid sources, rather than mainstream sources. If only there were some criteria on what sort of sources are acceptable, then it would avoid all this nonsense.
Just because some nutjob has a blog does not make them a credible source. That is something that leads to lots of problems in D&ST and perhaps there should be a stickied thread explaining what constitutes a credible source (the sort of things you would imagine are common sense for most people) and that information taken from sources that do not conform with those guidelines should be taken with a pinch of salt?
Last edited by lowing (2010-07-04 09:25:16)
I don't use Sutter as a source. My sources are typically mainstream media outlets, academics or official government approved organisations.lowing wrote:
Yet you hasd no problem hanging your hat on Jim Sutter as an authority...Why was that? Have you shown where cairbaby.com was shut down because of racism? Haven't seen that yet. If it were true, and cut and dry why not just simply shutdown the others as well?Bertster7 wrote:
A group of nutballs, running a load of related sites. Some of which have been shut down.Dilbert_X wrote:
Trouble is you present the source as being some kind of authority, when its actually some unabomberesque nutball.
Then you ignore any information which doesn't agree with yours.
You don't present arguments, you present statements and challenge people to prove them wrong.
There's Glen Reinsford of cairbaby.com (shut down) and religionofpeace.com - which seems to be lowings main source for everything.
There's Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, where we can see numerous references to the fact that cairbaby was shut down and a campaign for web blocks imposed by filtering companies to be removed for the religionofpeace site.
There's also Khalim Massoud of Muslims Against Sharia - a hilarious site obviously not run by Muslims. His responses to emails he was sent regarding defamation law suits are quite in line with what one might expect:Subject: Re: Law suits, ain’t this grand
Are you threatening me, you little biatch? You must have been sucking cousin dad’s xxxx for too long, if you really think that a demented piece of sxxt like you could scare anyone. And if you weren’t that stupid, you’d know that if you’re a Christian or a Jew, we’re praying to the same God, you retarded inbred. Also, you unhealthy fascination with larva is troubling. You should discuss it with a shrink at the free clinic, you dumb piece of white trash (Bill Warner).
From: Khalim Massoud [email protected]Just a few examples from the website of a Private Investigator who has done some investigating of these dodgy websites. As a result of this, Muslims Against Sharia have had their PO box revoked by the USPS:From: Khalim Massoud [email protected]
Muslims Against Sharia
To: BW (Bill Warner)
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject:Re: Law suits, ain’t this grand
You told on me, you little piece of sxxt (Bill Warner)? Obviously a little biatch like you is too much of a chicken sxxt to handle anything herself. I am surprised that you haven’t dug up the “fact” that I’m not a real Muslim, etc. etc. etc..
You (Bill Warner) must have been excessively molested as a child to feel that insecure at your advanced age. Ever considered counseling?
Khalim Massoud
President
Muslims Against Sharia
[email protected]
241732 PO Box, OMAHA, NE 68124
http://pibillwarner.files.wordpress.com … &h=485
Some people will persist in using stupid sources, rather than mainstream sources. If only there were some criteria on what sort of sources are acceptable, then it would avoid all this nonsense.
Just because some nutjob has a blog does not make them a credible source. That is something that leads to lots of problems in D&ST and perhaps there should be a stickied thread explaining what constitutes a credible source (the sort of things you would imagine are common sense for most people) and that information taken from sources that do not conform with those guidelines should be taken with a pinch of salt?
You condemn information you disagree with, as nutball, and accept information from a PROVEN fraud and con artist, and poser. as accurate and legit, because you agree with it without proof. This does not speak well of your "open mindeness" that you suggest I do not have.
When Uzi posted his BRILLIANT POST" I admit I was thinking to myself, oh fuck!! Then, I started to look into that information and found what I posted, and could easily dismiss it. You still accept it. Rediculous.
You lost me, can you link me to your source so I can read it. I don't recall you linking anything. accept a picture of a package ( from who knows where to who knows to who)Bertster7 wrote:
I don't use Sutter as a source. My sources are typically mainstream media outlets, academics or official government approved organisations.lowing wrote:
Yet you hasd no problem hanging your hat on Jim Sutter as an authority...Why was that? Have you shown where cairbaby.com was shut down because of racism? Haven't seen that yet. If it were true, and cut and dry why not just simply shutdown the others as well?Bertster7 wrote:
A group of nutballs, running a load of related sites. Some of which have been shut down.Dilbert_X wrote:
Trouble is you present the source as being some kind of authority, when its actually some unabomberesque nutball.
Then you ignore any information which doesn't agree with yours.
You don't present arguments, you present statements and challenge people to prove them wrong.
There's Glen Reinsford of cairbaby.com (shut down) and religionofpeace.com - which seems to be lowings main source for everything.
There's Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, where we can see numerous references to the fact that cairbaby was shut down and a campaign for web blocks imposed by filtering companies to be removed for the religionofpeace site.
There's also Khalim Massoud of Muslims Against Sharia - a hilarious site obviously not run by Muslims. His responses to emails he was sent regarding defamation law suits are quite in line with what one might expect:
Just a few examples from the website of a Private Investigator who has done some investigating of these dodgy websites. As a result of this, Muslims Against Sharia have had their PO box revoked by the USPS:
http://pibillwarner.files.wordpress.com … &h=485
Some people will persist in using stupid sources, rather than mainstream sources. If only there were some criteria on what sort of sources are acceptable, then it would avoid all this nonsense.
Just because some nutjob has a blog does not make them a credible source. That is something that leads to lots of problems in D&ST and perhaps there should be a stickied thread explaining what constitutes a credible source (the sort of things you would imagine are common sense for most people) and that information taken from sources that do not conform with those guidelines should be taken with a pinch of salt?
You condemn information you disagree with, as nutball, and accept information from a PROVEN fraud and con artist, and poser. as accurate and legit, because you agree with it without proof. This does not speak well of your "open mindeness" that you suggest I do not have.
When Uzi posted his BRILLIANT POST" I admit I was thinking to myself, oh fuck!! Then, I started to look into that information and found what I posted, and could easily dismiss it. You still accept it. Rediculous.
Regarding the bloggers above, (since they are too insignificant to be noticed by more substantial and reliable sources) I have used a private investigator who has been invetigating these dodgy sites as a source. His investigations led to the sites begining smear campaigns against him - it is quite possible the same is true in the case of Sutter.
Anyone can see that cairbaby.com was shut down. Just look at the site and the internic records. I would email the FBI for a statement outlining the reasons it was shut down, but as when I have emailed specialist academics in the past for their expert opinion you have simply dismissed it out of hand (and you say that people are dismissive of your bullshit sources) - I really can't be bothered to do so.
Using bloggers as sources is flimsy enough in the first place. Using bloggers that are a part of a ring of very controversial bloggers like the ones listed above who engage in fraud (why their PO boxes have been closed) and rant at anyone questioning their authenticity like gibbering lunatics, is the resort of a desperate idiot.
Last edited by lowing (2010-07-04 09:38:41)
Who it is from is not relevant. Who it is to is very obvious. Don't you understand the concept of addresses?lowing wrote:
You lost me, can you link me to your source so I can read it. I don't recall you linking anything. accept a picture of a package ( from who knows where to who knows to who)Bertster7 wrote:
I don't use Sutter as a source. My sources are typically mainstream media outlets, academics or official government approved organisations.lowing wrote:
Yet you hasd no problem hanging your hat on Jim Sutter as an authority...Why was that? Have you shown where cairbaby.com was shut down because of racism? Haven't seen that yet. If it were true, and cut and dry why not just simply shutdown the others as well?
You condemn information you disagree with, as nutball, and accept information from a PROVEN fraud and con artist, and poser. as accurate and legit, because you agree with it without proof. This does not speak well of your "open mindeness" that you suggest I do not have.
When Uzi posted his BRILLIANT POST" I admit I was thinking to myself, oh fuck!! Then, I started to look into that information and found what I posted, and could easily dismiss it. You still accept it. Rediculous.
Regarding the bloggers above, (since they are too insignificant to be noticed by more substantial and reliable sources) I have used a private investigator who has been invetigating these dodgy sites as a source. His investigations led to the sites begining smear campaigns against him - it is quite possible the same is true in the case of Sutter.
Anyone can see that cairbaby.com was shut down. Just look at the site and the internic records. I would email the FBI for a statement outlining the reasons it was shut down, but as when I have emailed specialist academics in the past for their expert opinion you have simply dismissed it out of hand (and you say that people are dismissive of your bullshit sources) - I really can't be bothered to do so.
Using bloggers as sources is flimsy enough in the first place. Using bloggers that are a part of a ring of very controversial bloggers like the ones listed above who engage in fraud (why their PO boxes have been closed) and rant at anyone questioning their authenticity like gibbering lunatics, is the resort of a desperate idiot.
Then don't use the blog as the source. Use the original source.lowing wrote:
The site I source sources all of its information. THerefore it is not the blogger I cite, but the information he has substantiated using media outlets, and Islam itself.
Still have not linked me to your Private EyeBertster7 wrote:
Who it is from is not relevant. Who it is to is very obvious. Don't you understand the concept of addresses?lowing wrote:
You lost me, can you link me to your source so I can read it. I don't recall you linking anything. accept a picture of a package ( from who knows where to who knows to who)Bertster7 wrote:
I don't use Sutter as a source. My sources are typically mainstream media outlets, academics or official government approved organisations.
Regarding the bloggers above, (since they are too insignificant to be noticed by more substantial and reliable sources) I have used a private investigator who has been invetigating these dodgy sites as a source. His investigations led to the sites begining smear campaigns against him - it is quite possible the same is true in the case of Sutter.
Anyone can see that cairbaby.com was shut down. Just look at the site and the internic records. I would email the FBI for a statement outlining the reasons it was shut down, but as when I have emailed specialist academics in the past for their expert opinion you have simply dismissed it out of hand (and you say that people are dismissive of your bullshit sources) - I really can't be bothered to do so.
Using bloggers as sources is flimsy enough in the first place. Using bloggers that are a part of a ring of very controversial bloggers like the ones listed above who engage in fraud (why their PO boxes have been closed) and rant at anyone questioning their authenticity like gibbering lunatics, is the resort of a desperate idiot.Then don't use the blog as the source. Use the original source.lowing wrote:
The site I source sources all of its information. THerefore it is not the blogger I cite, but the information he has substantiated using media outlets, and Islam itself.
He's called Bill Warner. I had thought that was obvious. I have included his name and email address in previous posts.lowing wrote:
Still have not linked me to your Private EyeBertster7 wrote:
Who it is from is not relevant. Who it is to is very obvious. Don't you understand the concept of addresses?lowing wrote:
You lost me, can you link me to your source so I can read it. I don't recall you linking anything. accept a picture of a package ( from who knows where to who knows to who)Then don't use the blog as the source. Use the original source.lowing wrote:
The site I source sources all of its information. THerefore it is not the blogger I cite, but the information he has substantiated using media outlets, and Islam itself.
Then why did you say "from who knows where to who knows to who" (btw you really need to get your head around the differences between the words accept and except - you seem not to have heard of the word except and to substitute accept for it in all your posts)?lowing wrote:
Yeah I understand addresses, just trying to figure out how a closed PO Box is sinister and proof that Islam is a tolerant and peaceful religion, thas all.
So it should be very convenient for you to use the original sources directly.lowing wrote:
It is lumped in one place for the convenience of finding it. You would know this if you actually read anything there.
His name and email address? I don't give a fuck about his name orhis email address. Link me to his findings and his proof.Bertster7 wrote:
He's called Bill Warner. I had thought that was obvious. I have included his name and email address in previous posts.lowing wrote:
Still have not linked me to your Private EyeBertster7 wrote:
Who it is from is not relevant. Who it is to is very obvious. Don't you understand the concept of addresses?lowing wrote:
You lost me, can you link me to your source so I can read it. I don't recall you linking anything. accept a picture of a package ( from who knows where to who knows to who)
Then don't use the blog as the source. Use the original source.Then why did you say "from who knows where to who knows to who" (btw you really need to get your head around the differences between the words accept and except - you seem not to have heard of the word except and to substitute accept for it in all your posts)?lowing wrote:
Yeah I understand addresses, just trying to figure out how a closed PO Box is sinister and proof that Islam is a tolerant and peaceful religion, thas all.
The relevance of it is that their PO box was closed by the USPS and they have had to move to a new PO box. Which is more supporting evidence of the transient and unreliable nature of these sources. Along with other websites being shut down, sites being blocked by netfiltering services and transcripts of the sort of emails the owners of these sites send, this all amounts to good cause not to trust a damn thing they say.So it should be very convenient for you to use the original sources directly.lowing wrote:
It is lumped in one place for the convenience of finding it. You would know this if you actually read anything there.
Closing this wouldn't be so much apathy as disgust at the direction taken by some users and unwillingness to flip through over a dozen pages deleting crap and quotations of crap.jord wrote:
I think we all need to let apathy take a tighter grip, close this topic and carry on as normal.
The point is, YOU need to do that here.lowing wrote:
As far as the information I have site, it can be verified based on current events, and media outlets. It also sources its information used. Something you would KNOW if you actually read the information.
Thing is, usm's and gs's circle-jerk of trolling destroyed it - and the mods gave them a free pass to do it.SenorToenails wrote:
This is so very true.11 Bravo wrote:
and this section was great about 2 years ago.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightDilbert_X wrote:
Thing is, usm's and gs's circle-jerk of trolling destroyed it - and the mods gave them a free pass to do it.SenorToenails wrote:
This is so very true.11 Bravo wrote:
and this section was great about 2 years ago.
no it was actually trolls like you who ruined it...as you can see if you look back, we were fine. what changed was people like you. period. all the proof shows that.Dilbert_X wrote:
Meh, about 2 years ago any intelligent thread got wrecked by your drunken trolling and spam.
