BF2S Forums Cop Punches 17 year old girl after fight because of jay walking

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

I wasn't making a point. You were the one who asserted I was.

I see, so you typically spout of shit without actually trying to make a fuckin point? Tell ya what I think, I think the point you were trying to make is exactly what I called you out on, problem is, you can no longer roll with that assertion without looking like a jack- off.

Is that what you think?

You'd be very wrong, as usual. I never made any assertions other than the fact that jaywalking was what started the incident. Every post I have made following that, when you refused to accept the fact that wasn't the case, has been very clear that the fact that it started the incident is meaningless in the context of the importance.

All my orginal post was doing was calling you on your bullshit claim that jaywalking was not what started the incident. It was what started the incident. That is all I have ever said.

lowing wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

you are really associating killing 2 cops with simply making a fuckin mistake???

From the article

"Curtis had pulled over a vehicle and found its male passenger had an outstanding warrant for "minor violations,"


Now in this day and age that + the gun = jail time. Not alot of people want to go to jail, that's where harden criminals go. Now unless the guy had money to pay for a decent lawyer, he'd get a court appointed attorney who'd tell him to plead guilty and only do 5 years(3 with good behavior). So his options where go to jail or kill cops who might not have had a right to even ask him for his ID's at the time(depending on the situation.

Minor Violations to me = a small mistake, but the way our laws are this day and age there is no such thing as a small mistake.

there was a warrant out for his arrest. The cop did not know this before hand. Also allow for the fact that a cop does not hold the privilege to decide if a warrant is worth serving or not. warrants are issued by a judge, not the police.

Regardless, none of this has a thing to do with what happened.

SenorToenails wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Yes and if you Choose to enforce the laws, many of them I feel are crazy, you're going to deal with the circumstances.  Basically it's the bully at school finally getting whats coming to him. Alot of the laws are use full and very good but when we have overpopulated prisons and the largest percentage of people in jail in the world, it should make you wonder what we're doing wrong.

Woooaaahhhhh....  Hang on a second here.  Shooting a cop is akin to a schoolyard bully getting whats coming to him?

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cpt.fass1 wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Yes and if you Choose to enforce the laws, many of them I feel are crazy, you're going to deal with the circumstances.  Basically it's the bully at school finally getting whats coming to him. Alot of the laws are use full and very good but when we have overpopulated prisons and the largest percentage of people in jail in the world, it should make you wonder what we're doing wrong.

Woooaaahhhhh....  Hang on a second here.  Shooting a cop is akin to a schoolyard bully getting whats coming to him?

Reading it's good. At what point does the cop stop protecting and serving his community and become that bully?

Bully would steal your lunch money and you could go to teachers to rat him out..

Police officer can issue a giant unreasonable ticket for menial crime and you can't do anything about it.

You can go to court and fight it, if you're found in the right all you miss out is a day of work, if you're found in the wrong you miss a day off work and get a fine. Or you can just plead guilty and admit that you're the criminal that EVERY american is.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

That's why I want to know how big the crime was that started this. All cops aren't right and they sometimes do bully people, I am in no way saying that cops deserve to be shot. But when you are enforcing laws that you might not agree with don't be surprise when bullshit happens.

They are to protect and serve the people and they need to have a concerns when doing so. I know two cops very well, one has been on the force for a really long time and has a tendency to let people slide cause in his words "I can't issue out a couple hundred dollar ticket to poor people, that's what makes people look at the police force in a negative light and I have to work on the streets" and then the other "fuck these people if I get involved I make sure that I issue out every ticket I can".


What is it? The cops are just doing their jobs and shouldn't be blamed or cops are here to protect and serve the people?

cpt.fass1 wrote:

You have to blame the cops for enforcing the laws, cause that's what they do. You can't blame law makers who sit back and arm chair QB, cause they don't know what's effective or not.  Of a matter of fact, I'd rather have a police officer or officers write the laws then a Silver spoon feed lawyer who gets pressured by the minority that had a bad thing happen to them.

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

I see, so you typically spout of shit without actually trying to make a fuckin point? Tell ya what I think, I think the point you were trying to make is exactly what I called you out on, problem is, you can no longer roll with that assertion without looking like a jack- off.

Is that what you think?

You'd be very wrong, as usual. I never made any assertions other than the fact that jaywalking was what started the incident. Every post I have made following that, when you refused to accept the fact that wasn't the case, has been very clear that the fact that it started the incident is meaningless in the context of the importance.

All my orginal post was doing was calling you on your bullshit claim that jaywalking was not what started the incident. It was what started the incident. That is all I have ever said.

and I maintain that using your logic, we could go back as far as we want before the assault and claim that it started there.

Lets see, using your bullshit, Iwill say that it started when the cop woke up that morning, NO WAIT! It started the day the cop decided to be a cop. Your turn.

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

and I maintain that using your logic, we could go back as far as we want before the assault and claim that it started there.

Lets see, using your bullshit, Iwill say that it started when the cop woke up that morning, NO WAIT! It started the day the cop decided to be a cop. Your turn.

Only if you consider that morning to be a part of that incident, which I don't. There is no relation between what either party had been doing that morning, as far as I am aware, so it wouldn't make much sense to include that as part of the incident itself.

The incident is their interaction and whatever directly triggered it - in this case jaywalking.

and there is no relationship between a jaywalking ticket and assault on a police officer. 2 separate things.

There is no relationship between a speeding ticket and MURDER...2 separate things.

the connection you make is just as dumb fuck as saying the cop shoulda turned left instead of right. For if he turned left none of this woulda happened...It is a bullshit argument. but you know that since you already claim there is no point to it in the first place.

lowing wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

and there is no relationship between a jaywalking ticket and assault on a police officer. 2 separate things.

There is no relationship between a speeding ticket and MURDER...2 separate things.

the connection you make is just as dumb fuck as saying the cop shoulda turned left instead of right. For if he turned left none of this woulda happened...It is a bullshit argument. but you know that since you already claim there is no point to it in the first place.

Yes there is. There is a direct causal relationship between those things. One led to the other. That's a direct relationship.

Yeah and I can link that all the way to the point the guy decided to be a cop instead of a fireman. It is a bullshit argument that does not play out regarding the discussion. You have stepped up to the line ( a line you know better than to cross) to blaming the cops for both incidences because they confronted these people. You are full of shit, and so is that argument.

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