even more tap dancingmcminty wrote:
Have you shown that it is.. right?lowing wrote:
Show me ... that the link posted is wrong.
Well lets see, even the source provides sources for its information....THat is now twice more than any of you.
Well lets see, even the source provides sources for its information....THat is now twice more than any of you.
That website is pure propaganda made by paranoid people like yourself lowing, just calling it the Muslim game shows the credibility of your link ... you just see what you want to see and refer to the same over and over and over again ...
We've been at it for years lowing ... and you haven't moved an inch even though you've been disproved many times, so who is tap-dancing?
You lost your last shreds of credibility when you announced how Obama was a fascist ... after that nothing you'll ever say again on this forum will be taken seriously by me ... I'm tired of banging my head against your wall of ignorance ...
We've been at it for years lowing ... and you haven't moved an inch even though you've been disproved many times, so who is tap-dancing?
You lost your last shreds of credibility when you announced how Obama was a fascist ... after that nothing you'll ever say again on this forum will be taken seriously by me ... I'm tired of banging my head against your wall of ignorance ...
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I guess you will never get tired of dancing.......You have yet to attack the information WITH INFORMATION and not just your worthless decrees.Varegg wrote:
That website is pure propaganda made by paranoid people like yourself lowing, just calling it the Muslim game shows the credibility of your link ... you just see what you want to see and refer to the same over and over and over again ...
We've been at it for years lowing ... and you haven't moved an inch even though you've been disproved many times, so who is tap-dancing?
You lost your last shreds of credibility when you announced how Obama was a fascist ... after that nothing you'll ever say again on this forum will be taken seriously by me ... I'm tired of banging my head against your wall of ignorance ...
Never said Obama was a fascist, I said some of his agendas are fascist. Like govt. control over private industry, like it or not, that is a fascist ideology and is something that is a reality in his administration.
For convenience, since I can't find any explicitly stated sources, would you list a few?
I rest my case ...
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to both of you,
well if you would actually read the source you will find a tap titled "resources and information". Look there
Lets cut to the chase for a second. Are either of you actually going to post any information that debunks the information provided or are you really just going to keep attacking me and the source?
well if you would actually read the source you will find a tap titled "resources and information". Look there
Lets cut to the chase for a second. Are either of you actually going to post any information that debunks the information provided or are you really just going to keep attacking me and the source?
The sources only show that SOME muslims are violent Lowing. I don't think anybody will deny that SOME are. However, your "source" fails to show that Islam is a violent religion. There are what, a couple hundred incidents in that source. There are what, a couple BILLION muslims.
There is no need to debunk garbage information and the obvious hate from that link lowing, the lack of credibility is so obvious it is laughable ...lowing wrote:
to both of you,
well if you would actually read the source you will find a tap titled "resources and information". Look there
Lets cut to the chase for a second. Are either of you actually going to post any information that debunks the information provided or are you really just going to keep attacking me and the source?
So no I won't bother.
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The point was and still is, Islam is far more violent than any other. Even provided links to show this.nlsme1 wrote:
The sources only show that SOME muslims are violent Lowing. I don't think anybody will deny that SOME are. However, your "source" fails to show that Islam is a violent religion. There are what, a couple hundred incidents in that source. There are what, a couple BILLION muslims.
Also this. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran … rnment.htm
ya don't say? What a shocker.Varegg wrote:
There is no need to debunk garbage information and the obvious hate from that link lowing, the lack of credibility is so obvious it is laughable ...lowing wrote:
to both of you,
well if you would actually read the source you will find a tap titled "resources and information". Look there
Lets cut to the chase for a second. Are either of you actually going to post any information that debunks the information provided or are you really just going to keep attacking me and the source?
So no I won't bother.
So that link compares how many violant instances there are for all the other religions? No, it ONLY shows how SOME muslims are violent. Also, this; "There are what, a couple hundred incidents in that source. There are what, a couple BILLION muslims."lowing wrote:
The point was and still is, Islam is far more violent than any other. Even provided links to show this.nlsme1 wrote:
The sources only show that SOME muslims are violent Lowing. I don't think anybody will deny that SOME are. However, your "source" fails to show that Islam is a violent religion. There are what, a couple hundred incidents in that source. There are what, a couple BILLION muslims.
Also this. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran … rnment.htm
Obviously you have not read anything in the source.nlsme1 wrote:
So that link compares how many violant instances there are for all the other religions? No, it ONLY shows how SOME muslims are violent. Also, this; "There are what, a couple hundred incidents in that source. There are what, a couple BILLION muslims."lowing wrote:
The point was and still is, Islam is far more violent than any other. Even provided links to show this.nlsme1 wrote:
The sources only show that SOME muslims are violent Lowing. I don't think anybody will deny that SOME are. However, your "source" fails to show that Islam is a violent religion. There are what, a couple hundred incidents in that source. There are what, a couple BILLION muslims.
Also this. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran … rnment.htm
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … .htm#other . Your observations are addressed.
And?lowing wrote:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm
read this.
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Ah yes Lowing, I saw those sources after another look around - they would be as biased as the website itself. When debating a topic as contentious as this, you need to be aware of the bias your source was written with, as well as the bias in the sources to that source (and so on).
The Nazi party officially endorsed the works of Ernst Rüdin, one of the "fathers" of eugenics, in their efforts to legitimize the genocides they later committed. Yet outside their paradigm, we can see the bias of both the Nazi party their "sources".
You on the other hand, seem unable to recognise this bias. You are trapped within this Islamaphobic paradigm, unable or unwilling to take a critical examination of your sources.. instead you just blindly accept those that conform and support your point of view, while rejecting those that don't It's rather sad, actually.
So what actually happened with this mosque mentioned in the OP?
The Nazi party officially endorsed the works of Ernst Rüdin, one of the "fathers" of eugenics, in their efforts to legitimize the genocides they later committed. Yet outside their paradigm, we can see the bias of both the Nazi party their "sources".
You on the other hand, seem unable to recognise this bias. You are trapped within this Islamaphobic paradigm, unable or unwilling to take a critical examination of your sources.. instead you just blindly accept those that conform and support your point of view, while rejecting those that don't It's rather sad, actually.
So what actually happened with this mosque mentioned in the OP?
and, they are not a "hate site", they post facts regardless as to how inconvenient they might be to you. They present their information intelligently and do not engage in the hate rhetoric that you like to try and pin on them ( without actually reading it ) They do not attack individuals, they expose the belief system and culture that is Islam.Varegg wrote:
And?lowing wrote:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm
read this.
They acknowledge the common arguments and address them. You should try and do the same thing. In fact between you and that source, you are the hater.
lol oh well, I guess there is no counter argument to be had.mcminty wrote:
Ah yes Lowing, I saw those sources after another look around - they would be as biased as the website itself. When debating a topic as contentious as this, you need to be aware of the bias your source was written with, as well as the bias in the sources to that source (and so on).
The Nazi party officially endorsed the works of Ernst Rüdin, one of the "fathers" of eugenics, in their efforts to legitimize the genocides they later committed. Yet outside their paradigm, we can see the bias of both the Nazi party their "sources".
You on the other hand, seem unable to recognise this bias. You are trapped within this Islamaphobic paradigm, unable or unwilling to take a critical examination of your sources.. instead you just blindly accept those that conform and support your point of view, while rejecting those that don't It's rather sad, actually.
So what actually happened with this mosque mentioned in the OP?
well then you win, if everything that you disagree with is deemed biased and tainted, and that is really going to be your argument, nothing I have will counter it. Congratulations.
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AGAIN. Yes Lowing, that source shows SOME muslims are violent. It FAILS to address the fact there are more then a billion PEACEFUL muslims in this world. I could post links showing how SOME violent christians have commited violent acts. Could I post something that shows Christianity is a violent religion, only if I found something biased, that ignored the fact that there are hundreds of millions of peaceful christians.
you really ought to look around in the site a bit. It doesn't take muchnlsme1 wrote:
AGAIN. Yes Lowing, that source shows SOME muslims are violent. It FAILS to address the fact there are more then a billion PEACEFUL muslims in this world. I could post links showing how SOME violent christians have commited violent acts. Could I post something that shows Christianity is a violent religion, only if I found something biased, that ignored the fact that there are hundreds of millions of peaceful christians.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … uslims.htm
ALL of your concerns are addressed in this site. Please look around and read a bit before you condemn.
Nobody is disputing the fact that terrorist actions is comitted by Islamic groups lowing, nobody ...
Other than that I refer you to mcmintys post ... he pinpoints the problems you have in a very good manor ...
And what do I hate lowing? ... I hate extremists just like you but I don't single out one particular religion like you do ...
Other than that I refer you to mcmintys post ... he pinpoints the problems you have in a very good manor ...
And what do I hate lowing? ... I hate extremists just like you but I don't single out one particular religion like you do ...
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It is deeper than just Islamic terorrism. ISLAM itself is a problem. Read the site. Despute anything in it. Call anything in it a lie.Varegg wrote:
Nobody is disputing the fact that terrorist actions is comitted by Islamic groups lowing, nobody ...
Other than that I refer you to mcmintys post ... he pinpoints the problems you have in a very good manor ...
It addresses more than just terrorism. It addresses ISLAM. now dispute what it posts regarding it.Varegg wrote:
Nobody is disputing the fact that terrorist actions is comitted by Islamic groups lowing, nobody ...
Other than that I refer you to mcmintys post ... he pinpoints the problems you have in a very good manor ...
And what do I hate lowing? ... I hate extremists just like you but I don't single out one particular religion like you do ...
I am not an extremist in any category. I do not protest shit, and I rarely give a flying fuck about anything outside my family and what affects it.
What I address regarding Islam is your head in the sand attitude regarding it. It is baffling to see how you dismiss, deny redirect and ignore absolutely everything regarding this bullshit religion. As proven by your lack of ability to address information presented to you.
You are the one with your head in the sand lowing believing blindly what a bias source like that tells you ... I have my opinions and believes from hundreds of sources including knowing Muslims and their religion first hand ...
That site you link from is bias from start to finished and is hiding behind a few facts ... it's so obvious you really don't have to read much to dismiss it as pure garbage ... and that you find it intelligently presented is fucking scary ...
Yes Islam have problems, yes there are violent Muslims, yes there are acts or terror comitted by Islamic fanatics and yes considering the global situation they may seem to be the more violent religion pr date ... unless you count the millitary acts comitted by the Christians with USA as the leader of the supposedly free world ...
Your millitary crusade in the ME has cost more lives than 911 so go figure ...
That site you link from is bias from start to finished and is hiding behind a few facts ... it's so obvious you really don't have to read much to dismiss it as pure garbage ... and that you find it intelligently presented is fucking scary ...
Yes Islam have problems, yes there are violent Muslims, yes there are acts or terror comitted by Islamic fanatics and yes considering the global situation they may seem to be the more violent religion pr date ... unless you count the millitary acts comitted by the Christians with USA as the leader of the supposedly free world ...
Your millitary crusade in the ME has cost more lives than 911 so go figure ...
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You only need to watch Fernheit 9/11 to see the truth... oh wait, that's doesn't count because it's not a far right wing biased piece, my badVaregg wrote:
You are the one with your head in the sand lowing believing blindly what a bias source like that tells you ... I have my opinions and believes from hundreds of sources including knowing Muslims and their religion first hand ...
That site you link from is bias from start to finished and is hiding behind a few facts ... it's so obvious you really don't have to read much to dismiss it as pure garbage ... and that you find it intelligently presented is fucking scary ...
Yes Islam have problems, yes there are violent Muslims, yes there are acts or terror comitted by Islamic fanatics and yes considering the global situation they may seem to be the more violent religion pr date ... unless you count the millitary acts comitted by the Christians with USA as the leader of the supposedly free world ...
Your millitary crusade in the ME has cost more lives than 911 so go figure ...
Hehe ... Farenheit 911 is somewhat equally biased as lowing links but in the other end of the spectre ...
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