I'll volunteer to shoot the doves. For free... Seriously.SEREMAKER wrote:
family has about 700 acre cotton/peanut farm in southwest GA ...... any takers
Agriculture Visa. Mah' Grandpa had 40 or so doing labor. They'd arrive and ask were the field was and he said, "nah, go paint that fence. You? You're my new driver. You? You're now the cook. You? Clean the casa." He's got 2000+ acres. When they wanted him to sign a form stating that the worker would only be used for agricultural purposes he stopped doing it as he wouldn't sign the form. Apparently owning a cable company is somewhat profitable.Dilbert_X wrote:
So, how do mexicans migrate legally or do summer work on farms?
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Actually for 10 dollars an hour with the landscaping, and 14 for the UPS. Hey got to make the money in order to live.Dilbert_X wrote:
On min wage presumably?Growing up I busted my ass, worked as a landscaper during the day, went to community collage and worked at UPS at night.Thats the thing, they don't have 3 cars, a speedboat and an umpteen thousand sq ft condo so they can do it for a low wage.I could take a job as a laborer and make enough money to pay my bills I would in a heartbeat.
i wish the illegals I knew would be able to afford a computer so they can laugh at this statementcpt.fass1 wrote:
Illegals don't work for Min wage, they get paid the equivilant of U.S. workers making 15 an hour.
Really? There's a big difference between affording a computer and not buying one.eleven bravo wrote:
i wish the illegals I knew would be able to afford a computer so they can laugh at this statementcpt.fass1 wrote:
Illegals don't work for Min wage, they get paid the equivilant of U.S. workers making 15 an hour.
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Waiting in line at the Publix customer service to get some dip, an worker was sending back 10G's to his family in Mexico. I asked the cashier if this was common. He said yea, but the most money he's sent was 22k. They're getting paid.eleven bravo wrote:
i wish the illegals I knew would be able to afford a computer so they can laugh at this statementcpt.fass1 wrote:
Illegals don't work for Min wage, they get paid the equivilant of U.S. workers making 15 an hour.
I use to have this fight with my legal mexican friend all the time. He'd say "who else would do the work for 3 to 4 dollars an hour" in which I'd replied "they don't work for that, so no one".DBBrinson1 wrote:
Waiting in line at the Publix customer service to get some dip, an worker was sending back 10G's to his family in Mexico. I asked the cashier if this was common. He said yea, but the most money he's sent was 22k. They're getting paid.eleven bravo wrote:
i wish the illegals I knew would be able to afford a computer so they can laugh at this statementcpt.fass1 wrote:
Illegals don't work for Min wage, they get paid the equivilant of U.S. workers making 15 an hour.
It depends on the job and the employer, but for the most part, you're right.cpt.fass1 wrote:
I use to have this fight with my legal mexican friend all the time. He'd say "who else would do the work for 3 to 4 dollars an hour" in which I'd replied "they don't work for that, so no one".DBBrinson1 wrote:
Waiting in line at the Publix customer service to get some dip, an worker was sending back 10G's to his family in Mexico. I asked the cashier if this was common. He said yea, but the most money he's sent was 22k. They're getting paid.eleven bravo wrote:
i wish the illegals I knew would be able to afford a computer so they can laugh at this statement
The only reason their cheaper is because the employers don't have to match the income tax, pay for benefits and they charge the same as we do just not with the federal/state income tax. The reason they're more expensive is because we can't track them, we have to pay for there living, school, medical bills.
The problem does originate from those things, yes. One could also argue that it results from consumers who don't give a damn where their services are coming from as long as its cheaper.Dilbert_X wrote:
So its not so much a border problem or a mexican problem as it is a corrupt employer and slack govt problem?
Or just do what other countries do and make it next to impossible to function as an illegal there.Turquoise wrote:
I guess what I'm getting at is the fact that, even if we reformed our citizenship process, distributed far more visas than we currently do, legalized most drugs, implemented better border security, and stopped consuming from/hiring illegal labor, Mexico would still be poor as hell and a problem for our border because of cartels and their criminals in general.
Or by increasing the penalties.When reaching this part of the discussion, many people then blame us for consuming the drugs to begin with, but that can be fixed by legalizing and regulating things like marijuana.
to what? execution? you can already do a ton of time for possessing drugs.Dilbert_X wrote:
Or by increasing the penalties.
Hurricane's right about the penalties. America is proof positive that mandatory drug sentencing doesn't work (nor does the War on Drugs in general).Dilbert_X wrote:
Or just do what other countries do and make it next to impossible to function as an illegal there.Turquoise wrote:
I guess what I'm getting at is the fact that, even if we reformed our citizenship process, distributed far more visas than we currently do, legalized most drugs, implemented better border security, and stopped consuming from/hiring illegal labor, Mexico would still be poor as hell and a problem for our border because of cartels and their criminals in general.Or by increasing the penalties.When reaching this part of the discussion, many people then blame us for consuming the drugs to begin with, but that can be fixed by legalizing and regulating things like marijuana.
If you can't get work or wages - because no-one will employ you because the fine makes it pointless.You'll have to explain what you mean by making "it next to impossible to function as an illegal" here.
Well yeah... Plenty of us have talked about doing that. Everytime we do, however, the race card is pulled (and very successfully).Dilbert_X wrote:
If you can't get work or wages - because no-one will employ you because the fine makes it pointless.You'll have to explain what you mean by making "it next to impossible to function as an illegal" here.
If you can't get healthcare, a bank account, a driving licence, etc.
If you are stopped by the Police for any misdemeanour and found without a valid visa you WILL be locked up until its regularised or you're shipped out.
I'd say that would stop most people functioning as an illegal.
drug dealerDBBrinson1 wrote:
Waiting in line at the Publix customer service to get some dip, an worker was sending back 10G's to his family in Mexico. I asked the cashier if this was common. He said yea, but the most money he's sent was 22k. They're getting paid.eleven bravo wrote:
i wish the illegals I knew would be able to afford a computer so they can laugh at this statementcpt.fass1 wrote:
Illegals don't work for Min wage, they get paid the equivilant of U.S. workers making 15 an hour.
No, trust me. The border is very relevant here. The vast majority of our illegals come from the Mexican border -- whether they're originally from Mexico or somewhere further south.Dilbert_X wrote:
Indonesia is within sailing distance, the whole pacific rim is basicallly, er, a rim.
Racism isn't an issue, white Brits are actually the worst visa overstayers, and most illegals fly in so the border is irrelevant - apart from California I expect thats the case for the rest of the US.
You could do it if the govt had the will, its just that they don't.Turq wrote:
Controlling flights or ships is easier than covering a land border that's about 2,000 miles long.
No argument here, but our people also lack the will to support that.Dilbert_X wrote:
You could do it if the govt had the will, its just that they don't.Turq wrote:
Controlling flights or ships is easier than covering a land border that's about 2,000 miles long.
not reallyDilbert_X wrote:
You could do it if the govt had the will, its just that they don't.Turq wrote:
Controlling flights or ships is easier than covering a land border that's about 2,000 miles long.
Funny about that larger border up north that has virtually no border control, and also no mention of all the whitey and asians who cross and overstay.Turquoise wrote:
No, trust me. The border is very relevant here. The vast majority of our illegals come from the Mexican border -- whether they're originally from Mexico or somewhere further south.Dilbert_X wrote:
Indonesia is within sailing distance, the whole pacific rim is basicallly, er, a rim.
Racism isn't an issue, white Brits are actually the worst visa overstayers, and most illegals fly in so the border is irrelevant - apart from California I expect thats the case for the rest of the US.
Controlling flights or ships is easier than covering a land border that's about 2,000 miles long.
uh, Canadians don't really have a reason to sneak into the US. that's like stealing a ferrari when you own a lamborghini.Ilocano wrote:
Funny about that larger border up north that has virtually no border control, and also no mention of all the whitey and asians who cross and overstay.Turquoise wrote:
No, trust me. The border is very relevant here. The vast majority of our illegals come from the Mexican border -- whether they're originally from Mexico or somewhere further south.Dilbert_X wrote:
Indonesia is within sailing distance, the whole pacific rim is basicallly, er, a rim.
Racism isn't an issue, white Brits are actually the worst visa overstayers, and most illegals fly in so the border is irrelevant - apart from California I expect thats the case for the rest of the US.
Controlling flights or ships is easier than covering a land border that's about 2,000 miles long.
Funny how you're neglecting to mention that the numbers of those groups that do that are far fewer. Funny also how you neglect to mention that they don't have a lot of drug cartels or violent crime associated with them.Ilocano wrote:
Funny about that larger border up north that has virtually no border control, and also no mention of all the whitey and asians who cross and overstay.Turquoise wrote:
No, trust me. The border is very relevant here. The vast majority of our illegals come from the Mexican border -- whether they're originally from Mexico or somewhere further south.Dilbert_X wrote:
Indonesia is within sailing distance, the whole pacific rim is basicallly, er, a rim.
Racism isn't an issue, white Brits are actually the worst visa overstayers, and most illegals fly in so the border is irrelevant - apart from California I expect thats the case for the rest of the US.
Controlling flights or ships is easier than covering a land border that's about 2,000 miles long.
