JaMDuDe wrote:
There a thousands of people who saw him do miracles. Would His disciples really have dedicated their life to a magician? If you dont want to believe him you can always say it was just magic.
As I have said several times before, people can and will believe some pretty stupid things. You yourself are sitting here telling us that 4 billion people, everyone who isn't a christian, is wrong and believes in a lie. Yet you steadfastly refuse to look at your own religion with anything but undying faith. Why is that? Can you honestly say that you would be a christian if your parents weren't christian? If you lived in Asia? If you'd never read the bible? If you say yes than you are either lying to us or lying to yourself. The point being christianity is a meme, passed down through the generations by people who believed and taught that belief to their friends and children.
Back to your point. Yes, his disciples really would dedicate their life to a 'magician' as you put it. Marconius' example was pretty good, and there are countless other instances where cultists have worshipped and died for human individuals. And we are talking about modern era, these people were more educated and better informed than the people in Jesus' time, yet they still fell prey to a false belief system. Now, is it such a leap of faith to look at Jesus' followers and say "maybe they didn't know the whole story?". That perhaps they may have embellished a bit when writing the bible? That 2000 years of unquestioning belief does not make your religion better than anyone elses?
JaMDuDe wrote:
Ive seen the other religions and none of them compare to this one. Please show me one like Christianity. I know about Islam and Buddism.
We've already shown you two. Islam and Buddhism. You dismissed them offhand, and I seriously doubt you understand nearly as much as you think you do about those two religions. I knew a Buddhist monk for over a year and I barely scratched the surface.
JaMDuDe wrote:
Jesus was torchered to within an inch of his life, then he was NAILED to a cross, then after they thought he was dead they stuck a spear into his side to make sure. If you dont believe that kills someone then what would?
There are amazing survival stories from all over the world. There are people that have survived for days in the wilderness with no protection. People who have been shot half a dozen times and walked away. Phineas Gage, a railworker in the last century, accidentally blew a large part of his frontal lobe (of his brain, that is) out with a metal rod and a blasting cap, and walked away from it. I'm not overly impressed by the resurrection story, again because it was written 2000 years ago and the only evidence we have of it is the Bible.
The word is 'tortured' by the way.
JaMDuDe wrote:
I said that the wrong way. It was more than what it sounds like.
Ah I see. And we're supposed to take your word for it I guess? You still have not provided evidence of miracles, other than some secondhand word of mouth tale about refugees and a homeless guy. Back your statements up.
JaMDuDe wrote:
The pharoah was warned, He was using Gods people as slaves. None of the people who followed God had there first born touched. Yeah i do. God wouldnt have destroyed everything if there were a lot of good people in the world.
Umm. Ok. The pharoah is a bad guy, and none of 'God's people' were hurt. I won't argue with that. That was not, however, what I was saying. My point was that God wiped out the children of everyone who didn't believe in him. Were those children evil? Did they deserve to die? And how do you know what God would or wouldn't have done? Were you there? Oh right, the Bible says so, it must be true.
I look forward to your completely irrelevant response, for the fourth time running.
JaMDuDe wrote:
Ive seen lots of evidence of creation and you havent shown me and good proof of evolution. You should read The Privileged Planet. Its made by scientists and shows it all.
http://www.privilegedplanet.com/#
When I see statements like this I feel like banging my head against the wall. Why do you insist on taking the word of some creationist website over the research of
the worldwide scientific community? People have been bombarding you with evidence for evolution for the duration of this thread, and every time you just link us to answersingenesis or christiananswers, like that disproves everything. How about doing some research of your own? When will you stop getting your information spoon fed to you by fundamentalist Christians?
And where is this evidence for creation? I'd like to see it. All I've seen so far is a lot of 'well science can't explain such and such, and the Bible says this right here, so obviously creationism is true'.
JaMDuDe wrote:
The best place in our solar system to veiw an eclipse is Earth. The suns the perfect size and the moons a perfect size and they are the perfect distance from the sun. Great coincidence eh? Our position in the galaxy is in between the arms so that we can tell where we are in this galaxy.
The best place to view an eclipse? The last time I checked, solar eclipses are
caused by our own moon. It wouldn't matter where we are in the solar system as long as the moon was still around and passed directly between the earth and sun every once in a while. The moons the perfect size? Perfect size for what? I can only imagine if the moon was any other size we'd be sitting here now and you'd still be telling us it was the perfect size. And lastly, why does it matter where we are in the galaxy. Is it imperative that we know where in the galaxy that we are? Not really. Again, I have to speculate that if we were anywhere else in the galaxy, you would still be telling us how perfect and divinely intelligent it all is.
JaMDuDe wrote:
The proof of christianity isnt based purely on faith. How do you explain the prophecies that were written hundreds of years before Jesus came? Or how do u explain animals that are too complex to have evolved?What about blood cells in a T-Rex fossil? Comets? There wouldnt be any comets if the earth were billions of years old. Is the faith based Oort cloud your proof of where comets come from? Nobody has ever seen it.
The proof of christianity? There you go with those blanket statements again. I see you have fallen back to your original talking points, despite several pages worth of discussion as to their veracity. As for comets, what does the Oort cloud have to do with anything?