ATG
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How did BP's CEO Tony Hayward and Goldman Sachs get so lucky that they were able to sell off their shares in BP just before the oil rig sank to the bottom of the Gulf.

http://investors.morningstar.com/owners … ture=en-US

According to regulatory filings, Goldman Sachs sold 4,680,822 shares of BP in the first quarter of 2010. Goldman's sales were the largest of any firm during that time. Goldman would have pocketed slightly more than $266 million if their holdings were sold at the average price of BP's stock during the quarter.

If Goldman had sold these shares today, their investment would have lost 36 percent its value, or $96 million. The share sales represented 44 percent of Goldman's holdings -- meaning that Goldman's remaining holdings have still lost tens of millions in value.



If GS was dumping BP stocks preceding the disaster all bets are off. It may be a hoax or a scam to pass ' green ' legislation.

Others also sold stock

Other asset management firms also sold huge blocks of BP stock in the first quarter -- but their sales were a fraction of Goldman's. Wachovia, which is owned by Wells Fargo, sold 2,667,419 shares; UBS, the Swiss bank, sold 2,125,566 shares.

Wachovia and UBS also sold much larger percentages of their BP stock, at 98 percently and 97 percent respectively.

Wachova parent Wells Fargo, however, bought 2.3 million shares in the quarter, largely discounting Wachovia's sales.

Those reported buying BP's stock included Wellington Management, a large asset firm, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

BP is struggling to cap a massive oil leak at one of its drill sites in the Gulf of Mexico. The firm's myriad safety violations over the years have come to light in lieu of the Gulf disaster.

BP traded on average at $56.86 in the first quarter, according to GuruFocus, a site that monitors the major trading moves of prominent investors. A list of major institutions' sales of BP stock are available at the market research website Morningstar.

It's certainly unknown as to why the firms sold their holdings. In its analysis of the company in mid-March, Morningstar, the market research site, gave the company an average rating of three out of a possible five stars.

"BP's valuation carries more uncertainty than ExxonMobil's or Shell's because the firm is less integrated, with more of its earnings coming from the [exploration and production] business than from potentially offsetting refining operations," the site's analyst wrote. "Like its peers, a sustained drop in oil and gas prices can hurt upstream earnings. Lower crude-oil feedstock costs could help refining margins, but refined product pricing lags could quickly swing refining profits to losses. BP's global business faces potential disruptions caused by political risks, particularly with its heavy exposure to Russia. Disruptions caused by environmental and operational constraints could further limit earnings potential."

The transnational oil company, like other energy giants, was hit with lower oil and gas prices in the past year after the price of oil surged in 2008.

"BP's fourth quarter marked another quarter of year-over-year production gains, with a 3% increase thanks to new field startups," Morningstar's analyst wrote in another note, after BP turned in better than expected fourth quarter results in February. "BP reported fourth-quarter replacement cost profit of $3.4 billion, up 33% from year-ago earnings of $2.6 billion, as upstream earnings growth was more than enough to offset downstream weakness. For the full year, BP's earnings of $14 billion were 45% below year-ago earnings of $26 billion, in part because of lower oil prices earlier in the year. We're encouraged by BP's sequential earnings gains as new projects and cost-cutting efforts drive upstream results."

The SEC filed a civil lawsuit against Goldman Sachs and one of its vice presidents in April, asserting that the firm had committed fraud by misrepresenting a mortgage-investment product inherently designed to fail. The company helped a hedge fund trader create a mortgage investment that gained value as mortgage borrowers defaulted en masse.

In response, Goldman said the SEC's charges were “completely unfounded in law and fact” and averred that it would “vigorously contest them and defend the firm and its reputation.”

The firm has also faced criticism over giant bonuses paid to staff amidst the US financial crisis. Goldman reduced the sizes of its staff bonuses this year to $16.9 billion, and said it would pay its chief executive $9 million, far less than the previous year.

Goldman also announced it would create a $500 million program to help small businesses. Critics noted that the figure represented just 3% of the bonus pool.
Something stinks here.


http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stock … &off=1
alexb
<3
+590|6225|Kentucky, USA

I really hope he doesn't get away clean like that.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6730|The Land of Scott Walker

ATG wrote:

It may be a hoax or a scam to pass ' green ' legislation.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6284|Vortex Ring State
holy shit.

This really makes the oil spill seem conspiratorial... Especially since we're focusing on the cleanup and not the cause.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6866|the dank(super) side of Oregon

ATG wrote:

It may be a hoax or a scam to pass ' green ' legislation.
It must be a conspiracy.  That's the only reasonable explanation.  Companies don't just buy and sell stocks.
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6284|Vortex Ring State

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

holy shit.

This really makes the oil spill seem conspiratorial... Especially since we're focusing on the cleanup and not the cause.
http://img.kyon.pl/static/img/remiq.net_8770.jpg
Last sentence is the emphasized part.

I mean, is it REALLY that hard to determine what caused the fire on the rig in the first place?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

holy shit.

This really makes the oil spill seem conspiratorial... Especially since we're focusing on the cleanup and not the cause.
http://img.kyon.pl/static/img/remiq.net_8770.jpg
Last sentence is the emphasized part.

I mean, is it REALLY that hard to determine what caused the fire on the rig in the first place?
Ahh, you honestly don't know, ok.

Every oil well contains natural gas deposits along with the oil itself (among other things). When they plugged the well, natural gas escaped up through the drilling mud and ended up pooling around on the deck of the Deepwater Horizon. NG is heavier than air so it doesn't dissipate, it just kind of floats around and pools in the low areas on deck. This was then sparked by an air conditioner, someone lighting a cig, etc (we don't know precisely because the men at the scene are dead and the rig is a mile below the Gulf). Massive explosion ensues, rig sinks.
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FEOS
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

Last sentence is the emphasized part.

I mean, is it REALLY that hard to determine what caused the fire on the rig in the first place?
Ahh, you honestly don't know, ok.

Every oil well contains natural gas deposits along with the oil itself (among other things). When they plugged the well, natural gas escaped up through the drilling mud and ended up pooling around on the deck of the Deepwater Horizon. NG is heavier than air so it doesn't dissipate, it just kind of floats around and pools in the low areas on deck. This was then sparked by an air conditioner, someone lighting a cig, etc (we don't know precisely because the men at the scene are dead and the rig is a mile below the Gulf). Massive explosion ensues, rig sinks.
They just recovered one of the key components yesterday, I believe.
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Trotskygrad
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

Last sentence is the emphasized part.

I mean, is it REALLY that hard to determine what caused the fire on the rig in the first place?
Ahh, you honestly don't know, ok.

Every oil well contains natural gas deposits along with the oil itself (among other things). When they plugged the well, natural gas escaped up through the drilling mud and ended up pooling around on the deck of the Deepwater Horizon. NG is heavier than air so it doesn't dissipate, it just kind of floats around and pools in the low areas on deck. This was then sparked by an air conditioner, someone lighting a cig, etc (we don't know precisely because the men at the scene are dead and the rig is a mile below the Gulf). Massive explosion ensues, rig sinks.
don't they burn the natural gas in flares so this doesn't happen?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:


Last sentence is the emphasized part.

I mean, is it REALLY that hard to determine what caused the fire on the rig in the first place?
Ahh, you honestly don't know, ok.

Every oil well contains natural gas deposits along with the oil itself (among other things). When they plugged the well, natural gas escaped up through the drilling mud and ended up pooling around on the deck of the Deepwater Horizon. NG is heavier than air so it doesn't dissipate, it just kind of floats around and pools in the low areas on deck. This was then sparked by an air conditioner, someone lighting a cig, etc (we don't know precisely because the men at the scene are dead and the rig is a mile below the Gulf). Massive explosion ensues, rig sinks.
don't they burn the natural gas in flares so this doesn't happen?
There was a cement plug in place and no oil flowing at the time, I don't think they anticipated the NG leakage.

If you want, I can have my brother forward me the investigation report and then I'll pass it on to you.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6284|Vortex Ring State

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Ahh, you honestly don't know, ok.

Every oil well contains natural gas deposits along with the oil itself (among other things). When they plugged the well, natural gas escaped up through the drilling mud and ended up pooling around on the deck of the Deepwater Horizon. NG is heavier than air so it doesn't dissipate, it just kind of floats around and pools in the low areas on deck. This was then sparked by an air conditioner, someone lighting a cig, etc (we don't know precisely because the men at the scene are dead and the rig is a mile below the Gulf). Massive explosion ensues, rig sinks.
don't they burn the natural gas in flares so this doesn't happen?
There was a cement plug in place and no oil flowing at the time, I don't think they anticipated the NG leakage.

If you want, I can have my brother forward me the investigation report and then I'll pass it on to you.
I would like to see that.

But the stock dumping is a odd maneuver nonetheless.
Turquoise
O Canada
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Other than a few revolutions (like the French Revolution), when have the absurdly rich NOT gotten away with murder?
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
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Trotskygrad wrote:

But the stock dumping is a odd maneuver nonetheless.
The share sales represented 44 percent of Goldman's holdings

hardly. These kinds of transaction happen on a daily basis.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6814|Global Command

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Ahh, you honestly don't know, ok.

Every oil well contains natural gas deposits along with the oil itself (among other things). When they plugged the well, natural gas escaped up through the drilling mud and ended up pooling around on the deck of the Deepwater Horizon. NG is heavier than air so it doesn't dissipate, it just kind of floats around and pools in the low areas on deck. This was then sparked by an air conditioner, someone lighting a cig, etc (we don't know precisely because the men at the scene are dead and the rig is a mile below the Gulf). Massive explosion ensues, rig sinks.
don't they burn the natural gas in flares so this doesn't happen?
There was a cement plug in place and no oil flowing at the time, I don't think they anticipated the NG leakage.

If you want, I can have my brother forward me the investigation report and then I'll pass it on to you.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-1 … -show.html
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

ATG wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:


don't they burn the natural gas in flares so this doesn't happen?
There was a cement plug in place and no oil flowing at the time, I don't think they anticipated the NG leakage.

If you want, I can have my brother forward me the investigation report and then I'll pass it on to you.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-1 … -show.html
Yes, I already read that. What's your point?
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Phrozenbot
Member
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Trotskygrad wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

don't they burn the natural gas in flares so this doesn't happen?
There was a cement plug in place and no oil flowing at the time, I don't think they anticipated the NG leakage.

If you want, I can have my brother forward me the investigation report and then I'll pass it on to you.
I would like to see that.

But the stock dumping is a odd maneuver nonetheless.
Or a very lucky trade.

The only conspiracy I see likely is inside trading, such as a warning to special investors to sell because of beforehand knowledge, not essentially planning the deep water horizon to be destroyed. That is just utter insanity, and horribly evil.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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"and said it would pay its chief executive $9 million, far less than the previous year."

poor guy
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ATG
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Well for one, who is the company that's #1 in terms of the stock being dropped from the list in the OP?

For two, this leak, if not a conspiracy, will be exploited by any and all that can profit politically or financially.

For three, those hindering the cleanup for whatever reason should be shot. https://i11.tinypic.com/6u3zuhk.gif

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