I meant the hospitals.JohnG@lt wrote:
Health insurance companies are entirely private. They are the ones that pay out the medical bills.ghettoperson wrote:
That said though, is the US healthcare system entirely private? As in, like American universities, they still receive some government funding?Cybargs wrote:
Healthcare is private in the US so yeah GG.
The government is taxing it because it's an easy ass revenue stream. Banning anything is just going to create a black market for it.
Poll
Do you smoke?
| No, never | 56% | 56% - 60 | ||||
| Used to, but quit | 20% | 20% - 22 | ||||
| Light smoker, < a pack a day | 13% | 13% - 14 | ||||
| Moderate, a pack a day | 6% | 6% - 7 | ||||
| heavy, > a pack a day | 3% | 3% - 4 | ||||
| Total: 107 | ||||||
New Yorks cigarette taxes go directly into the general fund.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Correction: the Federal cigarette excise tax goes to SCHIP (State Children's Health Insurance Program). State cigarette taxes can go to anything. Not just health care.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
oh-ho-ho, out of arguments i guess. wtg.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hey n1smel, you should take note that the only person who agrees with you on this topic is a guy who believes Stalin was the best leader his country ever had.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Insurance is private in the US. Almost every hospital in America has had government money infused. So yeah, GGCybargs wrote:
Healthcare is private in the US so yeah GG.nlsme1 wrote:
You already stated that this bill is not about YOUR health. This bill is about MONEY. Money that gets put into healthcare, to offset the cost you WILL eventually increase. If this bill was about YOUR health, the FDA would have a lot more control then any tax.JohnG@lt wrote:
The government should not be in the business of influencing my behavior with taxation. I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp, but freedom and coercion can not coexist.
The government is taxing it because it's an easy ass revenue stream. Banning anything is just going to create a black market for it.
Hospitals are irrelevant. The only subsidies they receive are reimbursement for Medicaid/Medicare patients.ghettoperson wrote:
I meant the hospitals.JohnG@lt wrote:
Health insurance companies are entirely private. They are the ones that pay out the medical bills.ghettoperson wrote:
That said though, is the US healthcare system entirely private? As in, like American universities, they still receive some government funding?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
do not conveniently ignore this fact, holier folks.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Correction: the Federal cigarette excise tax goes to SCHIP (State Children's Health Insurance Program). State cigarette taxes can go to anything. Not just health care.
Also I think that Illegals cost the people more then smokers.
I know when you get sick with heroin, coke, alchol it's all Oh my god poor you. If it's smoking you get well you shouldn't have been smoking.
I know when you get sick with heroin, coke, alchol it's all Oh my god poor you. If it's smoking you get well you shouldn't have been smoking.
Okay, believe that if it makes you feel better. The fact is, tax breaks are the same as subsidies. The fact is $40 bl a year is spent on securing our oil supply from the ME. The fact is, our gas is cheaper, because our government wants it that way. Get it yet? If not, then you answered my question about how you can say that. Because you take a blind eye when it doesn't "fit" your beliefs.JohnG@lt wrote:
The oil industry in America is not subsidized no matter how much your liberal friends might wish it to be so.nlsme1 wrote:
Okay, you must not get it. Tax money is put INTO oil. That is why our oil is half the cost. You are not "free" from government coercion here it just happens to be the opposite effect as tobacco.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes, our gas is half that of the rest of the world because it is NOT taxed. Isn't being free from government coercion wonderful?
Hardly correct there. Hospitals receive "grants" on a daily basis.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hospitals are irrelevant. The only subsidies they receive are reimbursement for Medicaid/Medicare patients.ghettoperson wrote:
I meant the hospitals.JohnG@lt wrote:
Health insurance companies are entirely private. They are the ones that pay out the medical bills.
Why haven't you moved out to San Francisco? They're your kind of people out there.nlsme1 wrote:
Hardly correct there. Hospitals receive "grants" on a daily basis.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hospitals are irrelevant. The only subsidies they receive are reimbursement for Medicaid/Medicare patients.ghettoperson wrote:
I meant the hospitals.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
The taxes will provide $440 million in revenue for health care programs, money for tobacco cessation programs and $71.6 million for the state cancer research center in BuffaloHurricane2k9 wrote:
do not conveniently ignore this fact, holier folks.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Correction: the Federal cigarette excise tax goes to SCHIP (State Children's Health Insurance Program). State cigarette taxes can go to anything. Not just health care.
Why is that, because I point out you are wrong? Nice debating skills you have there. Now go cry to the smokers how you will "singled out" to pay for putting up a new cancer research facility. Or, go to Jersey to save a few bucks. You could stay there while you are at it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why haven't you moved out to San Francisco? They're your kind of people out there.nlsme1 wrote:
Hardly correct there. Hospitals receive "grants" on a daily basis.JohnG@lt wrote:
Hospitals are irrelevant. The only subsidies they receive are reimbursement for Medicaid/Medicare patients.
That's good. I wonder if other states are as responsible with that money as that.nlsme1 wrote:
The taxes will provide $440 million in revenue for health care programs, money for tobacco cessation programs and $71.6 million for the state cancer research center in BuffaloHurricane2k9 wrote:
do not conveniently ignore this fact, holier folks.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Correction: the Federal cigarette excise tax goes to SCHIP (State Children's Health Insurance Program). State cigarette taxes can go to anything. Not just health care.
I'm not wrong, it's just infuriating arguing with you because you're a fucking wingnut so caught up in his own ideology that he can't see the forest for the trees. You want control over the actions other people take in their own lives and yet you identify with the liberal label.nlsme1 wrote:
Why is that, because I point out you are wrong? Nice debating skills you have there. Now go cry to the smokers how you will "singled out" to pay for putting up a new cancer research facility. Or, go to Jersey to save a few bucks. You could stay there while you are at it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why haven't you moved out to San Francisco? They're your kind of people out there.nlsme1 wrote:
Hardly correct there. Hospitals receive "grants" on a daily basis.
It is massively frustrating arguing with someone as obtuse as you. It's not because you're a better debater, but because you're a moron who has justified his own conflicting views to himself for so many years that getting through to you is impossible. Carry on believing in your hippie politics for all I care. My vote thankfully cancels out your own.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Except he's wrong. The taxes go directly into New York State's general fund. The increases he is talking about come out of the general fund to pay for the increase in union nurses wages. Care won't improve, only wages in a time when millions of people are out of work.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
That's good. I wonder if other states are as responsible with that money as that.nlsme1 wrote:
The taxes will provide $440 million in revenue for health care programs, money for tobacco cessation programs and $71.6 million for the state cancer research center in BuffaloHurricane2k9 wrote:
do not conveniently ignore this fact, holier folks.
New York State is entirely beholden to the teachers and nurses unions. It is why we are so deep in debt and why they will never cut spending here. This state is fucked up beyond repair and I can't wait to ditch it and take my future earnings (and tax receipts) elsewhere.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Again, move somewhere like NH or Maryland or Virginia or maybe one of the mountain states.
I'm moving to New Hampshire as soon as I graduate.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Again, move somewhere like NH or Maryland or Virginia or maybe one of the mountain states.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Bring a parka!
So you think you were right in saying that the only money hospitals receive from the government is from Medicare/caid? You don't view billions of dollars in tax breaks as "subsidies"? I know exactly where I stand, and I stand firm on my beliefs wether it be beneficial to me or not. You, on the other hand, are conflicted. Now, this post shows I am the better debater. For it is equally frustrating arguing with you, yet I refrain from personal insults. If I am wrong on a fact I post, prove it. Or, at least point to where I have shown "conflicting" views.
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Very light smoker.
Less than 5 single cigarettes per day.
And I always got outside and away from other people.
Less than 5 single cigarettes per day.
And I always got outside and away from other people.
So, the money that goes to smoking cessation comes from where then. I guess that cancer research center is just "popping up" in Buffalo. And as far as I am aware, the wages of nurses are not paid for by the state.JohnG@lt wrote:
Except he's wrong. The taxes go directly into New York State's general fund. The increases he is talking about come out of the general fund to pay for the increase in union nurses wages. Care won't improve, only wages in a time when millions of people are out of work.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
That's good. I wonder if other states are as responsible with that money as that.nlsme1 wrote:
The taxes will provide $440 million in revenue for health care programs, money for tobacco cessation programs and $71.6 million for the state cancer research center in Buffalo
New York State is entirely beholden to the teachers and nurses unions. It is why we are so deep in debt and why they will never cut spending here. This state is fucked up beyond repair and I can't wait to ditch it and take my future earnings (and tax receipts) elsewhere.
I thought you were ignoring him lel.JohnG@lt wrote:
Except he's wrong. The taxes go directly into New York State's general fund. The increases he is talking about come out of the general fund to pay for the increase in union nurses wages. Care won't improve, only wages in a time when millions of people are out of work.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
That's good. I wonder if other states are as responsible with that money as that.nlsme1 wrote:
The taxes will provide $440 million in revenue for health care programs, money for tobacco cessation programs and $71.6 million for the state cancer research center in Buffalo
New York State is entirely beholden to the teachers and nurses unions. It is why we are so deep in debt and why they will never cut spending here. This state is fucked up beyond repair and I can't wait to ditch it and take my future earnings (and tax receipts) elsewhere.
I'm guessing everywhere.nlsme1 wrote:
So, the money that goes to smoking cessation comes from where then. I guess that cancer research center is just "popping up" in Buffalo. And as far as I am aware, the wages of nurses are not paid for by the state.JohnG@lt wrote:
Except he's wrong. The taxes go directly into New York State's general fund. The increases he is talking about come out of the general fund to pay for the increase in union nurses wages. Care won't improve, only wages in a time when millions of people are out of work.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
That's good. I wonder if other states are as responsible with that money as that.
New York State is entirely beholden to the teachers and nurses unions. It is why we are so deep in debt and why they will never cut spending here. This state is fucked up beyond repair and I can't wait to ditch it and take my future earnings (and tax receipts) elsewhere.
I wouldn't mind the taxes if they went to, say, subsidizing Chantix or copies of "the Easy Way to Quit Smoking."
It's also not really because they care. It's a fear based tax.
Pretty much everyone dies of cancer sooner or later.
Pretty much everyone dies of cancer sooner or later.
That is what smoking cessation is. Wich is where the money is going. Among other things, like a cancer research center.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
I'm guessing everywhere.nlsme1 wrote:
So, the money that goes to smoking cessation comes from where then. I guess that cancer research center is just "popping up" in Buffalo. And as far as I am aware, the wages of nurses are not paid for by the state.JohnG@lt wrote:
Except he's wrong. The taxes go directly into New York State's general fund. The increases he is talking about come out of the general fund to pay for the increase in union nurses wages. Care won't improve, only wages in a time when millions of people are out of work.
New York State is entirely beholden to the teachers and nurses unions. It is why we are so deep in debt and why they will never cut spending here. This state is fucked up beyond repair and I can't wait to ditch it and take my future earnings (and tax receipts) elsewhere.
I wouldn't mind the taxes if they went to, say, subsidizing Chantix or copies of "the Easy Way to Quit Smoking."